Random conversations about Games

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:43 pm

You could try the Rune Factory games. They are like Harvest Moon, but with more emphasis on fighting. Dating is still there, but depending on the game, it's either just a supplement or barely there. In RF2, the point of the 1st Generation is to get married, so it's really easy to get a girl to like you, because the 2nd Generation is your kid being your controlled character. In RF3, you get married but.... well, the love between you and the girl you chose is important, but only towards the very last battle. And the kids are pointless in that game. No beds, they take no gifts, they don't even sleep...

And I'm really tempted to just look up the deal with Lumina, cause I need to know if it's really worth listening to her anymore. Although I'm only 2 Days away from the end of the game...

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Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:56 pm

CatMuto wrote:You could try the Rune Factory games. They are like Harvest Moon, but with more emphasis on fighting. Dating is still there, but depending on the game, it's either just a supplement or barely there. In RF2, the point of the 1st Generation is to get married, so it's really easy to get a girl to like you, because the 2nd Generation is your kid being your controlled character. In RF3, you get married but.... well, the love between you and the girl you chose is important, but only towards the very last battle. And the kids are pointless in that game. No beds, they take no gifts, they don't even sleep...

And I'm really tempted to just look up the deal with Lumina, cause I need to know if it's really worth listening to her anymore. Although I'm only 2 Days away from the end of the game...

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Yeah Rune Factory was interesting but it's not high on my list of 'series to start' since I've got so many other games I'd like to try now. Though if I ever wanted to go back to something like Harvest Moon I'd definitely try it.

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:24 pm

Only Rune Factory game I would not suggest is Frontier for the Wii. It's a great game, but the loading times are just too frustratingly long. Also some other parts, but the loading times and the loading screen will haunt your nightmares.

So anyway, I finished my first playthrough of Lightning Returns. I think it did a good job in ending the XIII trilogy, gave it the premise of New Crystal Legend and all that. The explanation about Lumina was okay, I thought it was a bit out of nowhere, but whatever.
And I can be certain that LightxHope shippers are gonna play this game and flood forums with the topics of "OMG I TOLD YOU, IT'S SO TOTALLY CANON!!" Not that I ship them, but I can see how the shippers would see and react to the scenes.
Only two small things bothered me about the ending.

Spoiler: Tiny annoyances in the Ending for me

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Yellow Magician · Post by **Yellow Magician** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:52 pm

FINALLY finished Tales of the Abyss, which is great because it was dragging on for like forever and I stopped caring about any of the characters about 3/4th of the way in.

It's kinda weird though - this was my first experience of a Tales' Of game, and having heard bad things about the franchise I was surprised I actually ended up taking ToA seriously. However, as such, I ended up subconsciously judging it against other jRPGs I took seriously, and in that context it just doesn't really hold up to most of the others I played...

Next up is Virtue's Last Reward. Man, what is with the 3DS and all these games?!

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:22 pm

Yes, Abyss does drag towards the end - I like to blame Tear for that because her existence has caused several of the problems in the game, thank you very MUCH, Tear! - so I can see why people feel a bit tired of the game eventually. I have seen several topics of "How far am I in/How much more left?" when they are barely past the halfpoints of the game. Before the first Big Final Boss.

I guess Abyss is a good enough Tales Of to start the series with. I know that if Graces had been my first one, I would've hated the series. Ditto on Symphonia, although on a lesser scale. I mean, while the characters in Symphonia were stereotypes, they at least had SOME interesting aspects about them. (I'm so glad Phantasia was my first one)

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Yellow Magician · Post by **Yellow Magician** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:27 am

CatMuto wrote:Yes, Abyss does drag towards the end - I like to blame Tear for that because her existence has caused several of the problems in the game, thank you very MUCH, Tear! - so I can see why people feel a bit tired of the game eventually.

Hm...you think so? I thought Tear was one of the better characters, alongside Guy and Jade. The other three (plus Asch and Ion, if they count) just got on my nerves most of the time - especially Natalia, with her "BLA BLA BLA KIMLASCA" yelled so often you could make a killer drinking game out of it.

Technically, Phantasia was my first Tales' Of game as well (way back in, like, 2001), but I never got around to completing it for some reason. ^^; Maybe some other time...

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:01 am

Well the whole fiasco in the game could've been avoided had Tear properly killed her brother.

Spoiler: Think about it!

Then again, I think Tear is a terrible Mary Sue/Canon Sue and really makes it difficult for me to enjoy the game from beginning to end. Although that probably also has to do with the terrible LukexTear moments shoved into my face every few minutes. God, why do Tales Of games need romance? And if it is important, why not make a believeable one, don't shove it into the player's face all the time and don't make it so freaking awkward. Seriously, I'd rather have Veigue shouting "CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIRE!!" instead of LukexTear...

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Yellow Magician · Post by **Yellow Magician** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:19 am

But surely that's just saying the events of the entire game wouldn't have occurred if Tear had properly killed her brother. Speaking of which, it's not like she planned getting whisked away to another continent or whatever.

jRPGs are probably never really going to handle romance on a level us mere humans are accustomed to. Kinda goes hand-in-hand with being all fantasy-like - who wouldn't want a fairy tale romance?

LukeXTear is especially cringeworthy when you consider

Spoiler:

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:27 pm

CatMuto wrote:Only Rune Factory game I would not suggest is Frontier for the Wii. It's a great game, but the loading times are just too frustratingly long. Also some other parts, but the loading times and the loading screen will haunt your nightmares.

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Really? I don't remember any particularly bad load times when I played.

Then again, maybe the stupid Runey system made me forget the other annoyances...

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:57 pm

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:Really? I don't remember any particularly bad load times when I played.

Then again, maybe the stupid Runey system made me forget the other annoyances...

Urgh, that runey system... There's a guide on how to "forget" about the Runey System when playing. I tried, I forgot about doing anything runey related and I ended up being piss-annoyed cause I'm in my 2nd Year and still can't marry Mist cause her motherf***ing LP won't rise fast enough. F*** that game with its loading times, slow pacing and runey system. At least I learned that a Silver Sickle can be a kick-ass weapon in the Snow Ruins.

who wouldn't want a fairy tale romance?

I don't know, people who prefer realistic stuff in their games? People who have outgrown the fantasy or fairy tale desire? I mean, I read the original Grimm Stories. Yeah, they are fairy tale, but overall are still pretty realistic and have their messages. They aren't written fairy-tale-ish.
Also, being a "canon pairing" for the sole reason of being together because "Hey, we're canon!" is not a good reason. Fairy tale or realistic. As mentioned, even the fairy tales have SOME reason why the couple is attracted - be it personality or looks. It's at least SOMETHING.

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Yellow Magician · Post by **Yellow Magician** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:04 pm

Haven't actually read the Grimm Fairy Tales (yes I am a philistine) so I can't really make a comparison: Will take your word for it though. I'm sure there was a good reason LukeXTear happened - inner beauty or something? Idk.

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:40 pm

Yellow Magician wrote:Haven't actually read the Grimm Fairy Tales (yes I am a philistine) so I can't really make a comparison: Will take your word for it though. I'm sure there was a good reason LukeXTear happened - inner beauty or something? Idk.

Only attraction I can come with off the top of my head was in the beginning where Luke admitted that Tear was cute. As long as she kept her mouth shut. (Part of me agrees with that... I love skits in the Tales Of games, they can be really funny... but the Abyss ones... majority of them seems to be a really long way of saying nothing at all.)

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Thane · Post by **Thane** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:52 pm

So I just bought Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, and it's the first time I've ever as much as laid eyes on the series. My opinion of the game thus far can be summed up in one word:

What.

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:59 pm

Thane wrote:So I just bought Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, and it's the first time I've ever as much as laid eyes on the series. My opinion of the game thus far can be surprised with one word:

What.

Yeeeeaaah.... the SMT and Persona series really can give you that reaction the first time around. Even if you have played the games before, then play a different one in the series, despite knowing the weirdness, you still get that reaction.

It's like my husband said about the Madoka Magica movie he had to watch, to check it out for work: "I just watched the Madoka Magica Rebellion movie.... the fuck."

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Thane · Post by **Thane** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:11 pm

CatMuto wrote:
Thane wrote:So I just bought Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, and it's the first time I've ever as much as laid eyes on the series. My opinion of the game thus far can be surprised with one word:

What.
Yeeeeaaah.... the SMT and Persona series really can give you that reaction the first time around. Even if you have played the games before, then play a different one in the series, despite knowing the weirdness, you still get that reaction.

It's like my husband said about the Madoka Magica movie he had to watch, to check it out for work: "I just watched the Madoka Magica Rebellion movie.... the fuck."

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No kidding? There are no guides so you can't help to wonder what all the stats do...in fact, you can't really read up on anything. Then they change plot points every other sentence, and it's nigh impossible to keep up. I mean...there was a scream, then a ghost coyote asked me to figure out what happened to a man just before he died.

Also, there was something about a virtual world, hackers and guys who look so evil one can't help but wonder why they're not arrested just for looking like they do.

I normally take pride in my ability to follow complicated plots, and being able to come up with plausible theories, but this was just...what?!

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:56 pm

Okay, so in my New Game + File of Lightning Returns, I just fought Snow on the 6th Day, to fight his + Version. The fight took long enough for him to rip his shirt off. And now he's standing there, in a place that I guess is cold, I mean, he is still a l'Cie all done up with ICE and all.... and eww, I just thought of erect man nipples. *choke*

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Shao-Mae · Post by **Shao-Mae** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:39 pm

Thane wrote: I normally take pride in my ability to follow complicated plots, and being able to come up with plausible theories, but this was just...what?!

But except that is the game good?

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:24 pm

Thane wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Thane wrote:So I just bought Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, and it's the first time I've ever as much as laid eyes on the series. My opinion of the game thus far can be surprised with one word:

What.
Yeeeeaaah.... the SMT and Persona series really can give you that reaction the first time around. Even if you have played the games before, then play a different one in the series, despite knowing the weirdness, you still get that reaction.

It's like my husband said about the Madoka Magica movie he had to watch, to check it out for work: "I just watched the Madoka Magica Rebellion movie.... the fuck."

C-A
No kidding? There are no guides so you can't help to wonder what all the stats do...in fact, you can't really read up on anything. Then they change plot points every other sentence, and it's nigh impossible to keep up. I mean...there was a scream, then a ghost coyote asked me to figure out what happened to a man just before he died.

Also, there was something about a virtual world, hackers and guys who look so evil one can't help but wonder why they're not arrested just for looking like they do.

I normally take pride in my ability to follow complicated plots, and being able to come up with plausible theories, but this was just...what?!

Dude a Ghost Coyote shows up and tells you to do something YOU DO IT...or cut back on the drink.

I'd quite like to try Soul Hackers since I like some other SMT stuff and I'm interested in more, but time and money XP

Website · Post by **General Luigi** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:17 pm

[annoyed sigh] I just finished a New Game+ playthrough of Persona 4 Golden (well, okay, it's technically not finished yet, but I'm on March 20, so there isn't much left to do). Had I had one more day, I could have maximized Rise's Social Link, the only one I had not maximized. It drives me nuts that I was that close, because it leaves me wondering what small thing I could have avoided doing in order to spend another day maximizing that last Social Link. Then again...

Spoiler: Unique feature in Persona 4 Golden

Still... My Compendium is going to be one Persona shy of 100% because of this. [sigh] Third time's the charm?

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:37 pm

I just got past the first portion of the trial in 1-3 for the Let's Play and the "giant plot twist" of there being more than 3 people present at the studio hurt even more than it originally did, when I wasn't commenting about things while playing the game. Why did Capcom think that was a good plot twist!?

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DragonCactus · Post by **DragonCactus** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:59 pm

CatMuto wrote:I just got past the first portion of the trial in 1-3 for the Let's Play and the "giant plot twist" of there being more than 3 people present at the studio hurt even more than it originally did, when I wasn't commenting about things while playing the game. Why did Capcom think that was a good plot twist!?

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For better or worse, I completely forgot that plot twist existed in light of other games.

Website · Post by **General Luigi** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:50 pm

I'm starting to find the use of Latin for choral background music annoying. If the music is for a fight with a corrupt priest in a Fantasy Catholic Church, you get a pass to use Latin. However, recently, I was able to make out "Christe domini" in the track "Alexander Nevsky Rides to Battle" in the Crusader Kings II soundtrack. It's a good song, but the use of Latin bugged me. Russia was Orthodox during Alexander Nevsky's time. Unless the Latin was being used to represent the Teutonic Order, Old Church Slavonic would have been much more appropriate. Heck, even if we're dealing with a fantasy world, there are plenty of other perfectly good languages to use in choral music. Old English would be pretty nice (and by Old English, I mean pre-1066 English, not Shakespearean play English). It sounds like something right out of The Lord of the Rings (and for good reasons if you know a bit about Tolkien). Latin's a nice language and all, but how about some more variety? I'd love to have a chorus singing in, say, Ge'ez or Coptic when I'm ripping the final boss a new one.

Post by **Bad Player** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:26 am

General Luigi wrote:I'm starting to find the use of Latin for choral background music annoying. If the music is for a fight with a corrupt priest in a Fantasy Catholic Church, you get a pass to use Latin. However, recently, I was able to make out "Christe domini" in the track "Alexander Nevsky Rides to Battle" in the Crusader Kings II soundtrack. It's a good song, but the use of Latin bugged me. Russia was Orthodox during Alexander Nevsky's time. Unless the Latin was being used to represent the Teutonic Order, Old Church Slavonic would have been much more appropriate. Heck, even if we're dealing with a fantasy world, there are plenty of other perfectly good languages to use in choral music. Old English would be pretty nice (and by Old English, I mean pre-1066 English, not Shakespearean play English). It sounds like something right out of The Lord of the Rings (and for good reasons if you know a bit about Tolkien). Latin's a nice language and all, but how about some more variety? I'd love to have a chorus singing in, say, Ge'ez or Coptic when I'm ripping the final boss a new one.

Does Random Language X sound any different from Random Language Y to you? Maybe when they're speaking it, yeah, but in choral music it tends to just become incomprehensible reverb for me xP

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:33 am

Does Random Language X sound any different from Random Language Y to you? Maybe when they're speaking it, yeah, but in choral music it tends to just become incomprehensible reverb for me xP

I guess if you pay attention to it, it can sound different. As somebody pointed out, one chorus was in English, but it was sung so that it was difficult to tell. But when you really listen, you can make out that it's English.

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Church Of Sumire · Post by **Church Of Sumire** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:26 pm

Was playing the Fire Emblem:Awakening demo and I have to admit I like the game. It reminds me of Disgaea which is probably why I enjoyed it. I'll keep a note of it if I want another 3DS game in the future.

Also tried the Bravely Default demo and that one I didn't like since it reminded me to much of FF and as well that for a new 3DS game the graphics weren't that great especially the background.

Post by **Bad Player** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:46 pm

CatMuto wrote:
Does Random Language X sound any different from Random Language Y to you? Maybe when they're speaking it, yeah, but in choral music it tends to just become incomprehensible reverb for me xP
I guess if you pay attention to it, it can sound different. As somebody pointed out, one chorus was in English, but it was sung so that it was difficult to tell. But when you really listen, you can make out that it's English.

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Yeah, I can see that, but then English is a language you know. Would you be able to differentiate between two languages you don't know in choral music?

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:51 pm

Depending on how well I knew them, I could. Plus, several languages sound similar to each other, like German has words that originate from English or Latin. French and Spanish have similar words at times. I don't speak spanish, but some words I understand due to context or similar sound to a different one.

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Website · Post by **General Luigi** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:53 pm

Maybe it's my chorus experience? I've sung in a lot of languages, some more often than others, so it's possible I've just developed an ear for this kind of thing.

The Canadian Judge · Post by **The Canadian Judge** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:27 am

Fool Bright wrote:Was playing the Fire Emblem:Awakening demo and I have to admit I like the game. It reminds me of Disgaea which is probably why I enjoyed it. I'll keep a note of it if I want another 3DS game in the future.

Also tried the Bravely Default demo and that one I didn't like since it reminded me to much of FF and as well that for a new 3DS game the graphics weren't that great especially the background.

I strongly recommend FE:A, probably the best game on the platform imo. There are just so many pairings to choose from, you'll be playing through the game over and over~

Church Of Sumire · Post by **Church Of Sumire** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:29 am

The Canadian Judge wrote:
Fool Bright wrote:Was playing the Fire Emblem:Awakening demo and I have to admit I like the game. It reminds me of Disgaea which is probably why I enjoyed it. I'll keep a note of it if I want another 3DS game in the future.

Also tried the Bravely Default demo and that one I didn't like since it reminded me to much of FF and as well that for a new 3DS game the graphics weren't that great especially the background.
I strongly recommend FE:A, probably the best game on the platform imo. There are just so many pairings to choose from, you'll be playing through the game over and over~

Ill think about it but my first priority is getting the new One Piece game thats coming out this tuesday so maybe when I get a job ill get it.

Website · Post by **General Luigi** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:55 am

The Canadian Judge wrote:I strongly recommend FE:A, probably the best game on the platform imo. There are just so many pairings to choose from, you'll be playing through the game over and over~

The game's a shipper's wet dream in that regard--though I am a bit bothered by some of the programming oversights on that front.

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:34 pm

General Luigi wrote:
The Canadian Judge wrote:I strongly recommend FE:A, probably the best game on the platform imo. There are just so many pairings to choose from, you'll be playing through the game over and over~
The game's a shipper's wet dream in that regard--though I am a bit bothered by some of the programming oversights on that front.

Yeah, no Lissa x Maribelle is total bs.

Klonoahedgehog · Post by **Klonoahedgehog** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:37 pm

So, is anyone gonna buy Conception 2 in April?

kwando1313 · Post by **kwando1313** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:03 pm

I've got it preordered.

Klonoahedgehog · Post by **Klonoahedgehog** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:09 pm

kwando1313 wrote:I've got it preordered.

High five!

CatMuto · Post by **CatMuto** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:31 pm

Klonoahedgehog wrote:So, is anyone gonna buy Conception 2 in April?

Is that an eroge?

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Church Of Sumire · Post by **Church Of Sumire** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:34 pm

CatMuto wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:So, is anyone gonna buy Conception 2 in April?
Is that an eroge?

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Conception 2

It says it is compared to Persona

Sjibbey · Post by **Sjibbey** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:43 pm

Sooooo people... , have you heard about the new design of Sonic?
I just can't get a grip on this character anymore.

Klonoahedgehog · Post by **Klonoahedgehog** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:44 pm

CatMuto wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:So, is anyone gonna buy Conception 2 in April?
Is that an eroge?

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In a sense, yes.

Website · Post by **General Luigi** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:40 pm

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:Yeah, no Lissa x Maribelle is total bs.

I was referring to how Cordelia's support conversations are not affected by her marital status. Even if married, she will still talk about "the married man [she's] fallen for" in her supports with Henry.