Daring Detective: Dick Gumshoe (New Cornered Theme!)
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The thought has been around for a long time now: How could one make Gumshoe look even more awesome than he currently is? When I initially had the thought, I created this video. Of course, I obviously thought nothing would come of it. I kept on with the thought process anyway. About a month ago I finally had an idea about how it could happen, while not having to completely revamp the entire play style (It would pretty much need to be like Ace Attorney Investigations, but without the arguments, if it were to be like my original idea).
Since I'm no real expert, help would be greatly appreciated. I am going to be using PWLib,
But first, let's just work on getting some feedback, shall we?
So, here it is: The way to put Gumshoe in the courtroom, but not as a mere witness.
Spoiler: Basic plot
Main Character: Dick Gumshoe
Major Characters: Phoenix Wright, Trucy Wright, Lana Skye*, Maggey Byrde, Ms. 'S'.
Minor Characters: Franziska von Karma, Miles Edgeworth, Kay Faraday, Ema Skye, Oldbag, Lotta Hart, Pearl Fey, Maya Fey, Larry Butz, Kristoph Gavin, Damon Gant, Dahlia Hawthorne.
* I've always wanted Lana back, and she's still in the country!
Cases
1. Turnabout Together
Spoiler: Case Details
2. Prepare for Turnabout
Spoiler: Case Details
3. Prosecutor's Turnabout
Spoiler: Case Details
4. Old Dog, New Turnabout
Spoiler: Case Details
5. Daddy's Little Turnabout (Name subject to change)
Spoiler: Case Details
NEW TRAILER: Can be seen here, on Youtube.
Progress
Planning: 100%
Dialogue: 0%
Case graphics: 0%
Sprites: 25% (Phoenix acquired, 'S' is next)
Music: 100% (Gumshoe's pursuit ~ cornered theme requested, but not required)
Spoiler: Music Choices
New Voice: 75% (Lana and Gumshe acquired, Ms. S still required)
Script: 0%
People helping out/who have helped out
DefenceLawyer (Evidence sprites, floor plans)
KSA_Tech (Helping me with PWlib)
Auraion (Created an animated version of his frontal Phoenix sprite, and Ms. S)
Rina-chan (Provided Lana's voice)
Christophomicus (May help with Lana's sprite)
Ben Credable (PI) (Lent his voice talent for Gumshoe, created a sprite sheet for Gumshoe pointing)
Tap (Lana's bench attorney sprites)
Uras [From AAO] (Provided the start of Lana's desk sprites, they were still sprites)
Dark Coffee Drinker (Created potential Pursuit ~ Cornered theme)
Needing help with
Lana's bench assistant sprites
Ms. S' sprites (Should be on the way eventually)
New minor character sprites
Music
Other tidbits:
Q: If Gumshoe isn't a detective, why does the title still say he is?
A: Oh, that's for you to find out.
Updates
14/03/2010 - Planning finished. The cases have been updated, not onto the next step. Sprites, new characters and case images!
16/03/2010 - Acquired Lana's 'objection!', 'take that!' and 'hold it!' voice samples.
21/03/2010 - Updated choice of music and helpers
27/03/2010 - Received Gumshoe's 'objection!', 'take that, pal!' and 'hold it!' voice samples.
28/03/2010 - Finally completed that trailer I had been working on.
06/06/2010 - Ms. S' base, basic blinking and talking animations have been completed.
15/06/2010 - Created new logo that has Gumshoe actually objecting.
04/09/2010 - Dark Coffee Drinker put together a potential Pursuit ~ Cornered theme for Gumshoe. Pursuit ~ Payroll!?
(Feel free to PM me if you wish to help out. The more help, the merrier. Let's all just have some good fun!)
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DefenceLawyer wrote:
Why didn't I see this coming?
Cause I'm just that sneaky.
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I may be busy working on AIGE, but I can help on MSN someone who will be using PWLib for a game.
PWLib 1.2 Under Development
PWLib Casemaker (Version 1.1) at http://forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8788
PWLib Casemaker (Version 1.1) at http://forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8788
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KSA_Tech wrote:
I can help you learning how to program on PWLib (and see it isn't complicated as it seems).
I may be busy working on AIGE, but I can help on MSN someone who will be using PWLib for a game.
I may be busy working on AIGE, but I can help on MSN someone who will be using PWLib for a game.
It'd be great if you could. I'd like to make the game to the best of my ability.
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OniXera wrote:
Spoiler: Basic Plot
hahaha that made me laugh.
You can use the "front view phoenix" sprites, but remember to give credit.
And if you need more poses for phoenix, there's an app for that I can help.
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Auraion wrote:
This an interesting project.
hahaha that made me laugh.
You can use the "front view phoenix" sprites, but remember to give credit.
And if you need more poses for phoenix, there's an app for that I can help.
OniXera wrote:
Spoiler: Basic Plot
hahaha that made me laugh.
You can use the "front view phoenix" sprites, but remember to give credit.
And if you need more poses for phoenix, there's an app for that I can help.
It was either that, or have Edgeworth show more of liking towards her than Gummy. xD
Oh, an app? Well, I probably wouldn't know how to use such an application anyway. I may actually need an OBJECTION pose for Gumshoe, based upon his AAI sprite.
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I've also requested some help with voices and music, because I can record my voice...I just can't voice act, nor figure out how Gummy should sound. So, it'd be appreciated if someone could help. ^^
(Also, not sure if I'm allowed to double post when I have a project update, I checked the forum rules but I didn't see anything saying I couldn't. Next time I won't if I'm not supposed to, but other forums usually allow it.)
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Ben Credable (PI) wrote:
In about a week, I'll be getting a new computer, along with some new programming. If I can, I'd more than happly do some Gumshoe shouts.
That'd be excellent. If more than one person makes me some shouts, I'll choose the best ones (I doubt that'll happen though). After all, I'm in no rush here.
Trybien wrote:
I can help with floor plans of crime scenes
If you feel that you're up to it, that'd also be excellent. Have any examples of previous floor plans you've made?
On another note, I need to go and PM DL about some evidence sprites.
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Quote:
** Every attorney needs a 17-year-old sidekick!
For a while I was really hoping Lana would be the sidekick
- She needs screentime lovin'
- Gumshoe needs adult supervision
- It'd be really nice to have a sidekick who isn't either an annoying, mildly insane teenage girl or Detective Gumshoe for a change (and now that the latter is the main character, this goes double), know what I'm saying?
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KingRaptor wrote:
This game idea inspired me to learn PWLib scripting. <_<
For a while I was really hoping Lana would be the sidekick
- She needs screentime lovin'
- Gumshoe needs adult supervision
- It'd be really nice to have a sidekick who isn't either an annoying, mildly insane teenage girl or Detective Gumshoe for a change (and now that the latter is the main character, this goes double), know what I'm saying?
Quote:
** Every attorney needs a 17-year-old sidekick!
For a while I was really hoping Lana would be the sidekick
- She needs screentime lovin'
- Gumshoe needs adult supervision
- It'd be really nice to have a sidekick who isn't either an annoying, mildly insane teenage girl or Detective Gumshoe for a change (and now that the latter is the main character, this goes double), know what I'm saying?
She's not the permanent sidekick, all the girls get some lovin' this time. Maggey and Trucy in the first case, S in the second, Lana in the third, S and Lana in the fourth and S and Lana in the fifth (Maybe Trucy too). The thing is, Lana is probably going to be in the investigations more than S (as S loves the courtroom), due to being a long time detective.
Oh, it has inspired you, has it? Feel like helping out?
Also, it should be noted that I, myself, am a Lana fan.
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OniXera wrote:
Oh, it has inspired you, has it? Feel like helping out?
Can't promise anything (uni work is already pretty taxing a mere three weeks into the semester and it's only going to get worse), but I'm definitely interested in helping out with coding and maybe dialogue writing.
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KingRaptor wrote:
OniXera wrote:
Oh, it has inspired you, has it? Feel like helping out?
Can't promise anything (uni work is already pretty taxing a mere three weeks into the semester and it's only going to get worse), but I'm definitely interested in helping out with coding and maybe dialogue writing.
Well, I'm right near some examinations myself, so this probably won't get rolling this week or next. This week and next will be resource gathering and dialogue. And don't worry, I'm just learning myself when it comes to scripting/coding. ^^
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Home32 wrote:
So Gumshoe was smart enough to pass the BAR, and is now a defense attorney slash investigator... And isn't in any way being the exact opposite of Edgeworth?
Just because he's a bumbling man doesn't mean he's a complete idiot. I think most forget that (He IS a detective. That's not something to shake a stick at). Also, I don't think I've mentioned Edgeworth's position...but for some reason I don't think he's going to approve nor accept Gummy's position any time soon.
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OniXera wrote:
Home32 wrote:
So Gumshoe was smart enough to pass the BAR, and is now a defense attorney slash investigator... And isn't in any way being the exact opposite of Edgeworth?
Just because he's a bumbling man doesn't mean he's a complete idiot. I think most forget that (He IS a detective. That's not something to shake a stick at). Also, I don't think I've mentioned Edgeworth's position...but for some reason I don't think he's going to approve nor accept Gummy's position any time soon.
I meant exact opposite as in AAI.
And just because he isn't a compete idiot doesn't make him smart enough to pass the BAR exam.
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Home32 wrote:
OniXera wrote:
Home32 wrote:
So Gumshoe was smart enough to pass the BAR, and is now a defense attorney slash investigator... And isn't in any way being the exact opposite of Edgeworth?
Just because he's a bumbling man doesn't mean he's a complete idiot. I think most forget that (He IS a detective. That's not something to shake a stick at). Also, I don't think I've mentioned Edgeworth's position...but for some reason I don't think he's going to approve nor accept Gummy's position any time soon.
I meant exact opposite as in AAI.
And just because he isn't a compete idiot doesn't make him smart enough to pass the BAR exam.
Yeah, and that makes no sense to me. Unless you mean being his partner, his opposite, in which case yes. He isn't Edgeworth's partner in this game, being the contrast to Edgey (Who appears smart and classy, while Gumshoe appears dumb and street-like, essentially comic-relief).
He would with about a month of coaching from Wright, it's just multiple choice after all. Besides, it's a video game! (Besides, saying Wright was smart enough to pass the test is questionable too. He doesn't show any signs of studying law. How about the Judge? He obviously hasn't studied law either, gathering you judge the book by it's cover)
Not trying to be mean or anything, but it IS a video game series that isn't very realistic.
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I am surprised Gumshoe is still a detective. I mean they keep cutting his paycheck but never firing him? Maybe they like to keep him around as a punching bag lol.
Well, he's still a great character and would make a good protagonist. I'm just not so sure it would make sense for him to square off against any kind of lawyers, who continually best him in even the investigation part of every investigation. I would much rather play gumshoe as an aid to the prosecutor - similar to AAI except you square off against your partner instead of the villain.
Maybe instead of finding a contradiction in their statement, you have to find the spot where the evidence will make the point stick. So it will be a normal logic squaring off between lawyer and someone else, but you present the evidence at a certain time to make the lawyers argument stronger. It could be like a tug of war, where instead of the penalty bar starting full and going down, it starts in the middle. Each time you emphasize a good point with the right evidence, the bar goes to the right; each time the evidence doesn't really match the bar goes to the left. If the bar gets to the right, your lawyer has one, through the aid of lovably bumbling gumshoe :)
Anyway, that's just one idea, but I'm still interested in whatever you do with this. Good luck with the project!
It will be funny in a few years to see how many side characters have gotten their own fangame ;)
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saluk wrote:
Yeah I get the feeling passing the BAR in ace attorney land is incredibly easy. I mean look at people like payne. Actually winning cases on the other hand, especially against such fierce competition the likes of the Von Karma's (although it seems like the prosecutors have gotten progressively easier since then), takes real panache.
I am surprised Gumshoe is still a detective. I mean they keep cutting his paycheck but never firing him? Maybe they like to keep him around as a punching bag lol.
Well, he's still a great character and would make a good protagonist. I'm just not so sure it would make sense for him to square off against any kind of lawyers, who continually best him in even the investigation part of every investigation. I would much rather play gumshoe as an aid to the prosecutor - similar to AAI except you square off against your partner instead of the villain.
Maybe instead of finding a contradiction in their statement, you have to find the spot where the evidence will make the point stick. So it will be a normal logic squaring off between lawyer and someone else, but you present the evidence at a certain time to make the lawyers argument stronger. It could be like a tug of war, where instead of the penalty bar starting full and going down, it starts in the middle. Each time you emphasize a good point with the right evidence, the bar goes to the right; each time the evidence doesn't really match the bar goes to the left. If the bar gets to the right, your lawyer has one, through the aid of lovably bumbling gumshoe :)
Anyway, that's just one idea, but I'm still interested in whatever you do with this. Good luck with the project!
It will be funny in a few years to see how many side characters have gotten their own fangame ;)
I am surprised Gumshoe is still a detective. I mean they keep cutting his paycheck but never firing him? Maybe they like to keep him around as a punching bag lol.
Well, he's still a great character and would make a good protagonist. I'm just not so sure it would make sense for him to square off against any kind of lawyers, who continually best him in even the investigation part of every investigation. I would much rather play gumshoe as an aid to the prosecutor - similar to AAI except you square off against your partner instead of the villain.
Maybe instead of finding a contradiction in their statement, you have to find the spot where the evidence will make the point stick. So it will be a normal logic squaring off between lawyer and someone else, but you present the evidence at a certain time to make the lawyers argument stronger. It could be like a tug of war, where instead of the penalty bar starting full and going down, it starts in the middle. Each time you emphasize a good point with the right evidence, the bar goes to the right; each time the evidence doesn't really match the bar goes to the left. If the bar gets to the right, your lawyer has one, through the aid of lovably bumbling gumshoe :)
Anyway, that's just one idea, but I'm still interested in whatever you do with this. Good luck with the project!
It will be funny in a few years to see how many side characters have gotten their own fangame ;)
It doesn't seem like much logic is needed to win a case in Ace Attorney either. Wright is constantly winning by thinking outside of the box, by making no logical sense according to the evidence. The only people who really seem like they've studied and actually use their head is Edgeworth and Mr. von Karma (Franny may have studied, but her head seems to not really be on straight).
You idea would be good for something like a sequel, but I have a feeling that then Gumshoe wouldn't really be involved and that it may get a little bit boring. I mean, it must be very boring for Maya and Trucy to just sit and watch their partner do everything.
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OniXera wrote:
Home32 wrote:
So Gumshoe was smart enough to pass the BAR, and is now a defense attorney slash investigator... And isn't in any way being the exact opposite of Edgeworth?
Just because he's a bumbling man doesn't mean he's a complete idiot. I think most forget that (He IS a detective. That's not something to shake a stick at). Also, I don't think I've mentioned Edgeworth's position...but for some reason I don't think he's going to approve nor accept Gummy's position any time soon.
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Home32 wrote:
OniXera wrote:
Home32 wrote:
So Gumshoe was smart enough to pass the BAR, and is now a defense attorney slash investigator... And isn't in any way being the exact opposite of Edgeworth?
Just because he's a bumbling man doesn't mean he's a complete idiot. I think most forget that (He IS a detective. That's not something to shake a stick at). Also, I don't think I've mentioned Edgeworth's position...but for some reason I don't think he's going to approve nor accept Gummy's position any time soon.
There was supposed to be something there, right?
The point is, is that the AA universe is pretty different to our own. I don't think Gumshoe is an idiot, and I don't really think the MBE is really all that hard for them (they streamlined the court process. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same for the exam).
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"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across.
"
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Home32 wrote:
WTF!? I so posted something...
"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across. "
"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across.
"Because "exact opposite" can mean a lot of things. AAI is a game, where you investigate crime scenes and interrogates witnesses.
This will use the classic style of gameplay.
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OniXera wrote:
Home32 wrote:
WTF!? I so posted something...
"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across. "
"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across.
"Because "exact opposite" can mean a lot of things. AAI is a game, where you investigate crime scenes and interrogates witnesses.
This will use the classic style of gameplay.
This is going no where, forget I even said anything.
Although I do wanna see where this project leads nonetheless.
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Home32 wrote:
OniXera wrote:
Home32 wrote:
WTF!? I so posted something...
"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across. "
"When I meant exact opposite, I meant of AAI. Why is that such a hard point to get across.
"Because "exact opposite" can mean a lot of things. AAI is a game, where you investigate crime scenes and interrogates witnesses.
This will use the classic style of gameplay.
This is going no where, forget I even said anything.
Although I do wanna see where this project leads nonetheless.
Or did you mean because Gumshoe is the main character, the popular characters will he his partner? Is that the "exact opposite" you were going for?
No matter the small details, I think this will turn out good.
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I'll probably need some voice samples for 'S' as well, for the two times she appears in an actual court room.
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OniXera wrote:
No matter the small details, I think this will turn out good.
Yeah I think so too. You're probably right that taking a more passive role might be a bit boring.
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saluk wrote:
OniXera wrote:
No matter the small details, I think this will turn out good.
Yeah I think so too. You're probably right that taking a more passive role might be a bit boring.
Ace Attorney Odd Jobs: Dick Gumshoe.
It doesn't feel too enticing.
I just hope I can get some more sprite workers to help out, cause Auraion doesn't have all the time in the world.
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But, yeah, good. You'll do fine.
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Auarion should have the first 'S' sprite done some time as well.
There is a ways to go, but things are going in the right direction so far.
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Christophomicus wrote:
Hey man, if you need any help with graphics of any variety, I'd be happy to lend an occasional hand. I'm not FANTASTIC at anything, but I'm pretty great at lots of things, if you catch my drift. :P Drawn art is a no-no, but I can frankensprite/do touch-ups (GS or GK style), do maps/floor maps, evidence, case artwork, that sort of stuff. Basically as long as I don't have to do too much ORIGINAL WORK (but I can do some small touch-ups with pixels just fine) I can do stuff. :D Lemme know if you're interested either way, no real fuss if not.
I took a look at your stuff, and I think I may have a request for you. It'd be nice if you could do a few already-known characters in new poses that older characters have already done...if you get my drift.
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I've done around 1 minute of the trailer, and I should be recieving Gumshoe's voice sample today (PMs) are at hand. I may have to wait till after the OC comp for S' sprite.
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