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So post a mini-review! What do you like? What do you not like? How does it rank against the other games? Any other thoughts you have?
Please tag all spoilers, no matter how small. I'd like this to be a topic where people can discuss the game while they're playing it without getting spoiled for later parts of the game.
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Ash wrote:
Repost of review of the Japanese version. My thoughts on it have not really changed. Awesome mystery game with great plots and neat little original ideas, but seen in the context of "sixth entry in a series", it can be a bit... weird. Almost too ambitious, which makes it feel like the odd one out.
Does your review contain spoilers? If so I'll check it out once I'm done but good to know its there as it looks very good and detailed. From your description here it sounds right up my alley as I tend to really like entries to franchises that try for different or ambitious things, even if they fall flat a little bit. But it sounds like you enjoyed it a lot. Would you say it's better than DD? I really liked DD but I'm interested in seeing the differences and similarities.
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I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
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Ash wrote:
The review does not contain anything not already mentioned in the marketing campaign. A lot less actually.
I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
Good to know! I'm looking forward to reading it tonight!
I know what you mean - while I really liked DD it did seem to be focused on - as you said - putting things "back on track" and giving fans what they seemed to want perhaps to the detriment of innovation or experimentation (I draw a lot of comparisons between DD and Star Wars: The Force Awakens in this regard). It's good to know they feel they can do unpredictable things now!
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Ash wrote:
The review does not contain anything not already mentioned in the marketing campaign. A lot less actually.
I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
Maybe that's why I preferred AA5 compared to some - as when I played all of Dual Destinies as far as I recall I'd only completed the first 3 Cases in AA1. I certainly hadn't even touched AA2 or AA3 and didn't even own AA4 or AAI.
My order still isn't fully making sense because I still haven't actually finished AA3 technically.
*attempts to remember order played in*
1-1 (iOS) -> 1-2 (iOS) -> 1-3 (iOS) -> 5-1 (iOS) -> 5-2 (iOS) -> 5-3 (iOS) -> 5-4 (iOS) -> 5-5 (iOS) -> 1-1 Replay (iOS) -> 1-2 Replay (iOS) -> 1-3 Replay (iOS) -> 1-4 (iOS) -> 1-5 (iOS) -> 2-1 (iOS) -> 2-2 (iOS) -> half of 2-3 (iOS) -> 5-3 Replay (iOS. This was me getting sick of the circus case) -> rest of 2-3 (iOS) -> 2-4 (iOS) -> 3-1 (iOS) -> 3-2 (iOS) -> 3-3 (iOS) -> 3-4 (iOS) -> Third of 3-5 (iOS) -> 4-1 (DS. This was when I was on holiday and didn't have my iPad with me to continue game 3) -> 4-2 (DS) -> first uh... 3rd or so of 4-3 (DS) -> All of Ace Attorney Investigations -> 2nd 3rd of 3-5 -> 5-DLC (iOS) -> Replay of 1-1 (3DS Version) -> Rest of 4-3 (DS) -> 4-4 (DS) -> Replay of 1-2 (3DS Version. On correct day this month) -> 6-1 (3DS)
Yeah I seriously need to go back and play this stuff in order. (And finish Bridge to the Turnabout!)
I'm not even sure I've remembered this all right. What I will say is I only finished AJ completely for the first time the other week. My first replays of the first three cases from AA1 was me attempting to do everything in order and that was only properly scuppered (I don't count my 'replay' of Turnabout Academy because I was mostly just messing about) by me not taking my iPad on holiday with me and AJ having arrived in the post just before we left.As to why I stopped AJ during 4-3 ? Well my copy of Investigations had just arrived... (Basically from what I recall I stuck it in to make sure the cartridge worked and... well I'm sure you get the idea.
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Anyway, if you read all that congratulations you're madder than I am. And here's my current thoughts on AA6:- I've only played case 1 so far but I'm finding it really intense (and I mean that in a good way!). The only real niggle I've had so far is the dance cutscene... if she does that in later cases I hope you can skip it because it seemed a bit too long. (Though nowhere near entering re-watching that guitar serenade video territory
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Ash wrote:
The review does not contain anything not already mentioned in the marketing campaign. A lot less actually.
I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
I liked the game a lot better than AA5. AA5 was the safe sequel, that tried to put things back on track, in a sense. With AA6, it's like they figured they should try to move forward.
Maybe that's why I preferred AA5 compared to some - as when I played all of Dual Destinies as far as I recall I'd only completed the first 3 Cases in AA1. I certainly hadn't even touched AA2 or AA3 and didn't even own AA4 or AAI.
My order still isn't fully making sense because I still haven't actually finished AA3 technically.
*attempts to remember order played in*
1-1 (iOS) -> 1-2 (iOS) -> 1-3 (iOS) -> 5-1 (iOS) -> 5-2 (iOS) -> 5-3 (iOS) -> 5-4 (iOS) -> 5-5 (iOS) -> 1-1 Replay (iOS) -> 1-2 Replay (iOS) -> 1-3 Replay (iOS) -> 1-4 (iOS) -> 1-5 (iOS) -> 2-1 (iOS) -> 2-2 (iOS) -> half of 2-3 (iOS) -> 5-3 Replay (iOS. This was me getting sick of the circus case) -> rest of 2-3 (iOS) -> 2-4 (iOS) -> 3-1 (iOS) -> 3-2 (iOS) -> 3-3 (iOS) -> 3-4 (iOS) -> Third of 3-5 (iOS) -> 4-1 (DS. This was when I was on holiday and didn't have my iPad with me to continue game 3) -> 4-2 (DS) -> first uh... 3rd or so of 4-3 (DS) -> All of Ace Attorney Investigations -> 2nd 3rd of 3-5 -> 5-DLC (iOS) -> Replay of 1-1 (3DS Version) -> Rest of 4-3 (DS) -> 4-4 (DS) -> Replay of 1-2 (3DS Version. On correct day this month) -> 6-1 (3DS)
Yeah I seriously need to go back and play this stuff in order. (And finish Bridge to the Turnabout!)
I'm not even sure I've remembered this all right. What I will say is I only finished AJ completely for the first time the other week. My first replays of the first three cases from AA1 was me attempting to do everything in order and that was only properly scuppered (I don't count my 'replay' of Turnabout Academy because I was mostly just messing about) by me not taking my iPad on holiday with me and AJ having arrived in the post just before we left.As to why I stopped AJ during 4-3 ? Well my copy of Investigations had just arrived... (Basically from what I recall I stuck it in to make sure the cartridge worked and... well I'm sure you get the idea.
)----
Anyway, if you read all that congratulations you're madder than I am. And here's my current thoughts on AA6:- I've only played case 1 so far but I'm finding it really intense (and I mean that in a good way!). The only real niggle I've had so far is the dance cutscene... if she does that in later cases I hope you can skip it because it seemed a bit too long. (Though nowhere near entering re-watching that guitar serenade video territory
)Finish 3-5. It's the best case in my opinion
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Finish 3-5. It's the best case in my opinion
I'm really not in the mood for Coffee metaphors that I can't make head nor tail of right now. (Yeah really unpopular opinion but I've never really warmed to Godot at all)
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Still, I would say that a lot of the overall plots of these games work best when you play all the cases in the game in the order intended.I'd recommend going and playing the games you didn't complete at once at some point (not talking about playing all the games themselves in order necessarily, but rather if you're going to play one of the games I'd play through it all before playing the next one.
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The chronological order is nice. The plot starts out foreshadowing things to come but it's not heavy-handed like "Dark Age of Law" in DD . It's a much better way to build mysteries properly I think because you're not left with any huge expecations due to a lofty premise that makes it seem like a million things are happening at once until it turns out it's a bit less than that. There's small mysteries that slowly but steadily build up. "Who is Dhurke?" and "Who is Inga"? "What happened in this country?" etc. We know as little as Phoenix and co. as we follow this plot, and I like that so far.
Also, the humor was great in case 1. It got me... had me in stitches! And the mystery of case 1 actually led to a satisfying conclusion and a bite-sized arc for Phoenix and Ahlbi that I liked. The tone is campy and sweet, the Judge or "His Magistry" is a really nice judge and Payne was noticeably funnier in this than in DD I thought. Phoenix was also just cool in case 1, and I hope it keeps him that way.
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Only little thing is I don't like all the hostility, and Nahyuta's quirk of being rude isn't really as entertaining as whips, coffee and birds.
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Overall, I'm only about an hour in but I am really liking it. We'll see what develops from here.
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ThePaSch wrote:
Does anyone actually enjoy the fingerprinting parts? In both of the occasions that mechanic has popped up so far, I was just about ready to throw my 3DS at the wall and ended up having to look up the asinine position of some obscure fingerprint that ended up meaning exactly zilch in later trials. Most obnoxious mechanic in the series.
I just hope it doesn't pop up again.
I just hope it doesn't pop up again.
It was fun in AJ and RfTA but not here. The way you had to navigate around the box was too confusing and disorientating. That and it took too long.
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Speaking of framerate, as great as the visuals are in the game, is it even that much more than DGS? That game runs nearly 60fps on my n3DS and looks gorgeous, but this DD feels really unoptimized.
EDIT: One thing I've noticed now that I've played some of two cases is that this game has a recurring oddity during the trials. In both case 1 and case 2 the notion of a third person or third party being the "true killer" is brought up with nothing having led to that conclusion. As players we know it of course, and in case 2 there's obvious hints before the trial but nothing conclusive from Apollo's POV. I dislike how they point the blame at an unknown factor with baseless conjecture. What happened here? It feels like the writers are skipping over setting the trials up properly.
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The fingerprint mechanic is made to play like in AJAA but the programmers seriously suck with this particular one. The spray-effect looks terrible, it's unresponsive and even glitchy visually, the zoom is awful and why do we have to put powder on such large rotateable objects? Doesn't help the framerate is often in the toilet.
Speaking of framerate, as great as the visuals are in the game, is it even that much more than DGS? That game runs nearly 60fps on my n3DS and looks gorgeous, but this DD feels really unoptimized.
EDIT: One thing I've noticed now that I've played some of two cases is that this game has a recurring oddity during the trials. In both case 1 and case 2 the notion of a third person or third party being the "true killer" is brought up with nothing having led to that conclusion. As players we know it of course, and in case 2 there's obvious hints before the trial but nothing conclusive from Apollo's POV. I dislike how they point the blame at an unknown factor with baseless conjecture. What happened here? It feels like the writers are skipping over setting the trials up properly.
Speaking of framerate, as great as the visuals are in the game, is it even that much more than DGS? That game runs nearly 60fps on my n3DS and looks gorgeous, but this DD feels really unoptimized.
EDIT: One thing I've noticed now that I've played some of two cases is that this game has a recurring oddity during the trials. In both case 1 and case 2 the notion of a third person or third party being the "true killer" is brought up with nothing having led to that conclusion. As players we know it of course, and in case 2 there's obvious hints before the trial but nothing conclusive from Apollo's POV. I dislike how they point the blame at an unknown factor with baseless conjecture. What happened here? It feels like the writers are skipping over setting the trials up properly.
For the third party, I think Apollo assumes that if no one who was previously suspected could be the killer, and he believes Trucy is innocent, then there has to be a third party, that's what I would assume if it was proven that no one who was known to be there could be the killer, isn't faith in your client a big part of the Ace Attorney games?
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I have two examples from the past that use the notion of a "third person" that worked. Kristoph in 4-1 and The Phantom in DD. You've heard about both and by the time Nick suggests that there could've been a third person in either case he already has both a suspicion and a good idea of how to prove it.
It doesn't matter "to me" why Apollo thinks this. It matters to the court but apparently not in SoJ, because Phoenix and Apollo just get away with it, which has never been a problem in the previous games, because the writers want to cut to the chase too soon.
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ThePaSch wrote:
Does anyone actually enjoy the fingerprinting parts? In both of the occasions that mechanic has popped up so far, I was just about ready to throw my 3DS at the wall and ended up having to look up the asinine position of some obscure fingerprint that ended up meaning exactly zilch in later trials. Most obnoxious mechanic in the series.
I just hope it doesn't pop up again.
I just hope it doesn't pop up again.
I absolutely hated those parts. I spent TWENTY whole minutes just to find one print.
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That all said though, I hate the fingerprinting mechanic in general. I agree with what was said earlier. It's definitely something that needs to be worked on. I do feel that at least having a designated blow button is a step in the right direction.
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First, I really enjoyed Case 1. Probably 4-1 is still my favorite intro case but I liked what they did with it.
I'm really enjoying Case 2 also. The return of free investigations makes a huge difference to me, as I feel like when I play through the games the majority of the time the player spends with the characters is determined by all the little side observations. DD's investigations always felt a little less packed with content in this department and as a result it didn't have nearly as many of the zany anecdotal conversations that dominate investigations. It also really feels like a true AJ-style case, and I like its similar vibes to 4-3 (which I enjoy a lot).
One thing I'm wondering: Did Trucy always have long hair that flowed from the back of her head? I always thought it was short but I'd feel kind of stupid if I misinterpreted her hair all this time. Kind of like how I used to think Maya's smile was different than it actually was because of the pixel size on my old DS Lite.
I have the urge to ask other questions but I figure I should probably finish the case first!
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One thing I'm wondering: Did Trucy always have long hair that flowed from the back of her head? I always thought it was short but I'd feel kind of stupid if I misinterpreted her hair all this time.
Yep.
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D.A. McCoy wrote:
One thing I'm wondering: Did Trucy always have long hair that flowed from the back of her head? I always thought it was short but I'd feel kind of stupid if I misinterpreted her hair all this time.
Yep.
Wow. Although I guess you don't really see it that much in the AJ sprites but I'm still oblivious. I had thought maybe it was a way of the GS6 characters to start to make her appear a little more like Thalassa as she got older.
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So yeah. Might even be my favourite. I wonder how many people are going to be ticked off with me about that.
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But I agree it's a very solid game. I mentioned it before, but my biggest "gripe" is that they try to do a lot in this game in terms of scale (seriously, case 2, 3 and 4 all could have been a final case in earlier games).
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Case 4 isn't a final case contender though, even for the earlier games.
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I liked that about it.
Case 4 isn't a final case contender though, even for the earlier games.
Case 4 isn't a final case contender though, even for the earlier games.
I feel like if Case 4 was longer, it might've been. Especially if there was some build-up to it. Heh.. a game about rakugo and inheritance...
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