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I donn't think FFX and FFX2 had any boob jiggle movements.... :/
I know that X did, it was subtle, but noticeable if you got a close up of Lulu during the victory fanfare.
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I donn't think FFX and FFX2 had any boob jiggle movements.... :/
I know that X did, it was subtle, but noticeable if you got a close up of Lulu during the victory fanfare.
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Oh yeah Lulu did, but only because she was the only character with big boobs :/
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Prove me wrong. Prove that just because a game added bigger breasts (or jiggle physics) resulted in the game being sold WORSE than a predecessor.
Lucy (a valid consumer) would be less likely to buy the next Zelda game because she finds jiggle physics meaningless and demeaning to characters in a game.
There...your proof.
I would also be less likely to buy a game if it was heavy in boob physics. Regular motion is fine, but in most games the chest isn't even visible particularly often with most games being either with the camera behind the protagonist for the vast majority of the game or...well first person these days.
Point is by the time a developer is going out of their way to program jiggle physics they probably ARE using them for fanservice, realistic or no, since breasts won't really be focused on otherwise.
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Pierre wrote:
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I do love customization in games.
So do i, i hope they don't remove character customization in Pokemon ORAS.
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Really though, it's a redundant point. If you're playing the game for the physics and not the game play, then stop. Go rule 34 or something if you want to satisfy your perversions, I'm sure there's a ton of that junk out there. The only Nintendo flagship series I could really see them doing that with is Fire Emblem, given its concept.
I will say if you're really desperate and want to see some jiggle physics in a Nintendo game, I'm sure it's been done in Kirby already. Have you seen DeDeDe?
I'm for realism and all, but putting in jiggle physics just do it seems rather dumb. And really, if you're looking for jiggle physics in a Nintendo game, go look elsewhere. Maybe I'm insane, but compared to Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo comes across as a more family friendly, console for all ages kinda thing, whereas the former two come off as systems for more mature audiences. When I'm looking for a game, I'm looking for fun gameplay that keeps me entertained.
And Anthony, as for DQ8 reference, that game was made to have Jessica serve as fanservice, especially given her alternate outfits, so it's a rather moot point.
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Pierre wrote:
Alonso Swift wrote:
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Prove me wrong. Prove that just because a game added bigger breasts (or jiggle physics) resulted in the game being sold WORSE than a predecessor.
Lucy (a valid consumer) would be less likely to buy the next Zelda game because she finds jiggle physics meaningless and demeaning to characters in a game.
There...your proof.
I would also be less likely to buy a game if it was heavy in boob physics. Regular motion is fine, but in most games the chest isn't even visible particularly often with most games being either with the camera behind the protagonist for the vast majority of the game or...well first person these days.
Point is by the time a developer is going out of their way to program jiggle physics they probably ARE using them for fanservice, realistic or no, since breasts won't really be focused on otherwise.
When a game uses fan service to make people wanna play a game then that means that the developers have little faith in the game's storyline,game mechanics,and etc since they feel like the fan service is what will make their games sell.
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The only Nintendo flagship series I could really see them doing that with is Fire Emblem, given its concept.
They already did that with Lyn's combat sprites in FE7. Granted, it's not the same as actual jiggle physics, but they did bother to animate her breasts (though it takes a certain special kind of someone to get off on something that only takes up a few pixels). Still, I really hope they don't go overboard with that kind of thing in later games. Tiny combat sprites? So easy to miss that I didn't notice it until it was pointed out to me. Three-dimensional models? I'll probably notice. Armor would probably help prevent that kind of thing with some characters, but I can easily see it happening with classes that usually wear little or no armor (such as myrmidons and mages). I doubt Nintendo wants Fire Emblem to be spoken of in the same breath as Dead or Alive, though, so I imagine they'll hold back on the jiggle physics (assuming they ever bother with it to begin with).
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The only Nintendo flagship series I could really see them doing that with is Fire Emblem, given its concept.
They already did that with Lyn's combat sprites in FE7. Granted, it's not the same as actual jiggle physics, but they did bother to animate her breasts (though it takes a certain special kind of someone to get off on something that only takes up a few pixels). Still, I really hope they don't go overboard with that kind of thing in later games. Tiny combat sprites? So easy to miss that I didn't notice it until it was pointed out to me. Three-dimensional models? I'll probably notice. Armor would probably help prevent that kind of thing with some characters, but I can easily see it happening with classes that usually wear little or no armor (such as myrmidons and mages). I doubt Nintendo wants Fire Emblem to be spoken of in the same breath as Dead or Alive, though, so I imagine they'll hold back on the jiggle physics (assuming they ever bother with it to begin with).
Awakening was pretty good about it, they could have done it what with 3D models and all but from my recollection the one character with particularly fanservice-y breasts (Tharja) doesn't jiggle at all.
Even then her outfit could potentially be explained by the fact she was stationed in a hot desert region.
Also don't forget Wario's Jiggle Physics Dullahan! Mmmmm
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Lucy (a valid consumer) would be less likely to buy the next Zelda game because she finds jiggle physics meaningless and demeaning to characters in a game.
This may sound snobby but... that's one customer. One customer means jackshit.
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Say I'm wrong here, but I feel if the females in Zelda started exhibiting jiggle physics, it'd probably turn some parents off in wanting their kids to play it.
I always wonder about parents who see a tiny thing and say "NO! NO YOU CANNOT INTERACT WITH THAT! NOPE!" because... *shrug* they're oversensitive. Maybe it's because my mother raised me with the idea "If you're old enough to ask the question, you're old enough for the answer" even if the answer is simplified, so I knew things and am not so uptight about things in franchises. I mean, if it's a tiny jiggle that kids - kids note - will most likely not notice unless they look really closely (and what kid will?), why make a big stink out of it?
As I said, I was 23 at the time and it took me three playthroughs to notice one jiggle in Lightning Returns.
And there might've been more since, I don't notice. Cause I don't pay attention to that.
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This may sound snobby but... that's one customer. One customer means jackshit.
Not only does it sound snobby, but it sounds like terrible business practice. You've got no proof that all customers would approve of jiggle physics and so far there's a fair few people here who disapprove of them. That's enough to say there's plenty others who care about this thing.
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I always wonder about parents who see a tiny thing and say "NO! NO YOU CANNOT INTERACT WITH THAT! NOPE!" because... *shrug* they're oversensitive. Maybe it's because my mother raised me with the idea "If you're old enough to ask the question, you're old enough for the answer" even if the answer is simplified, so I knew things and am not so uptight about things in franchises. I mean, if it's a tiny jiggle that kids - kids note - will most likely not notice unless they look really closely (and what kid will?), why make a big stink out of it?
As I said, I was 23 at the time and it took me three playthroughs to notice one jiggle in Lightning Returns.
And there might've been more since, I don't notice. Cause I don't pay attention to that.
As I said, I was 23 at the time and it took me three playthroughs to notice one jiggle in Lightning Returns.
And there might've been more since, I don't notice. Cause I don't pay attention to that.
We aren't talking about tiny jiggles Cat, we're talking about the overly sexualised fanservice-y jiggle physics.
Really the problem is oversexualisation and jiggle physics are just a symptom of it. Considering the topic started with Bayonetta (I think) I'm not sure if the game has jiggle physics but it's certainly got plenty of things to make me uncomfortable buying it.
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Also, about Fire Emblem: Awakening...I still can't get over some armor design choices, most of them regarding women's armor, obviously. The fact that pretty much every single woman in that game has zettai ryouiki just oozes fetish.
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We aren't talking about tiny jiggles Cat, we're talking about the overly sexualised fanservice-y jiggle physics.
Well I was repeatedly talking about realistic, tiny jiggles that occur off and on and are easy to overlook. And jiggle physics should still not be the sole reason for someone to not buy a goddamn game.
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Considering the rather negative reception of Cia's outfit in Hyrule Warriors
What the hell is wrong with that outfit? What, have all those naysayers never heard of Evil Is Sexy? That's always a good way to tell if someone is a good or a bad guy. Depending on how sexy they look, they're evil and if they have modest clothes, they're good guys.
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I'm guessing it has to do with the franchise; people don't want that kind of outfit in a Zelda game, and I'm inclined to agree. I just don't see the point, and it sort of breaks my immersion, as geeky as that sounds.
Also, that's not always the case.
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Also, for hell's sake, Zelda has been changing things off and on for the last 25 years. Look at Vaati and Ghirahim, they are vastly different from the older villains who were more manly and rugged looking, evil and all. Now we have the handsome bishonen. So why the hell can we not have a sexy villainess with a stripperiffic outfit? It's no different from Ghirahim with his chest open displayed and the diamond shaped holes all along his legs.
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I hate it when people talk about Immersion in a game. A game is never immersing, you know why? Because any second, you can look down and see you're holding a controller and already your immersion is broken. Nobody can tell me something IN the game breaks the immersion, when there is nothing immersing to begin with.
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If you truly feel that way then I feel sorry for you. I can get very immersed in both games and books, and it doesn't matter if I'm holding something in my hands or not. However, when something feels vastly out of place, the spell is broken.
I know you're a very negative and cynical person, but that doesn't mean you're privy to special information or truths; it just affects your outlook on things.
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I hate it when people talk about Immersion in a game. A game is never immersing, you know why? Because any second, you can look down and see you're holding a controller and already your immersion is broken. Nobody can tell me something IN the game breaks the immersion, when there is nothing immersing to begin with.
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If you truly feel that way then I feel sorry for you. I can get very immersed in both games and books, and it doesn't matter if I'm holding something in my hands or not. However, when something feels vastly out of place, the spell is broken.
I know you're a very negative and cynical person, but that doesn't mean you're privy to special information or truths; it just affects your outlook on things.
Relevant article on video game immersion.
Immersion, or spatial presence, is influenced by several factors, including: a compelling/thought provoking story, an interactive world (consisting of operating machines, talking to NPCs, and fiddling with physics), consistent behavior of the game world, a relatable/interesting protagonist, and so on. It's part of the reason why FFXIII fell flat for me: without the immersion, it wasn't very inviting to follow a typical defy your fate and save the world story.
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If you truly feel that way then I feel sorry for you. I can get very immersed in both games and books, and it doesn't matter if I'm holding something in my hands or not. However, when something feels vastly out of place, the spell is broken.
I know you're a very negative and cynical person, but that doesn't mean you're privy to special information or truths; it just affects your outlook on things.
I know you're a very negative and cynical person, but that doesn't mean you're privy to special information or truths; it just affects your outlook on things.
Look, I enjoy reading good books and reading about a person's life that they tell me, but I am always aware that I am still reading a book.
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*shrug* For me, it started like a defy your fate, but whenever I see the ending of XIII, it always looks to me like they DID follow the focus/fate they were given. Check the focus vision and ending sequence, it's identical. The only ones who might have defied their fate are Vanilla and Fang.
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CatMuto wrote:
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If you truly feel that way then I feel sorry for you. I can get very immersed in both games and books, and it doesn't matter if I'm holding something in my hands or not. However, when something feels vastly out of place, the spell is broken.
I know you're a very negative and cynical person, but that doesn't mean you're privy to special information or truths; it just affects your outlook on things.
I know you're a very negative and cynical person, but that doesn't mean you're privy to special information or truths; it just affects your outlook on things.
Look, I enjoy reading good books and reading about a person's life that they tell me, but I am always aware that I am still reading a book.
When I'm experiencing a work of fiction that I particularly like, of course I'm still aware that I'm still experiencing a work of fiction. But if I had to guess, spatial presence (the psychological term for immersion) is about wanting the experience to be real. Essentially, the viewer finds the world/characters/game mechanics interesting enough that they're willing to let themselves be fooled by the illusion. That's what most works of fiction are: an illusion that tries to convince the audience that what is happening on the screen/pages is actually happening. When we see something like a large breasted female who makes no attempt at hiding her cleavage and no one calls her out on it (provided that the interesting character isn't a pervert), that's what breaks the illusion.
A personal example I can attest to is Persona 4. I loved the characters, loved the setting, and loved the story, so I was willing to let myself be fooled by the illusion.
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Well I was repeatedly talking about realistic, tiny jiggles that occur off and on and are easy to overlook. And jiggle physics should still not be the sole reason for someone to not buy a goddamn game
Yes YOU were but the original conversation and topic of discussion was about the huge jiggles, you just kept trying to derail it into a topic you felt wasn't an issue.
Also why should it not be a reason? It might not be a sole reason, no one ever said that but it might still be a big chip on the pile to put someone off it.
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I hate it when people talk about Immersion in a game. A game is never immersing, you know why? Because any second, you can look down and see you're holding a controller and already your immersion is broken. Nobody can tell me something IN the game breaks the immersion, when there is nothing immersing to begin with.
As has been stated Cat, your opinion does not necessarily equal absolute fact or everyone else's opinion. Games can provide Immersion for other people if perhaps not for you. Yes you can have a controller in your hand but that doesn't necessarily mean immersion cannot exist. For me immersion can be defined as that feeling when you don't want to put a game down or disengage from a book because the world is just flowing from the fiction.
Hey even nowadays with the rise of Oculus Rift and increasing advances into VR technology you CAN'T always "look down and see a controller" to break immersion.
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A game in development Donate money for a worthy cause. A Youtuber that I subscribe to is playing a HUGE part in the game as one of the main characters..... oh and see whose doing what voice. You'll be in a surprise.
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From the mind of David Daniels, it was written over the course of 10 years encompassing elements of Action, Adventure, Fantasy, Romance, Comedy, Horror, and Drama...
In Amaranthine Story the main focus is game play, story, and music. Without these key elements a game can fail. Being a gamer my entire life and years of studying reviews on many different RPG, I have gained a deep understanding for what made popular games such as Final Fantasy 7 great...
Amaranthine Story is set in an open world where players can travel by foot, Airship, Cars, Buses, Boats, or Mountable creatures. Each continent is aimed to be larger than Skyrim....
In Amaranthine Story the main focus is game play, story, and music. Without these key elements a game can fail. Being a gamer my entire life and years of studying reviews on many different RPG, I have gained a deep understanding for what made popular games such as Final Fantasy 7 great...
Amaranthine Story is set in an open world where players can travel by foot, Airship, Cars, Buses, Boats, or Mountable creatures. Each continent is aimed to be larger than Skyrim....
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Hate to be a downer but those guys sound really full of themselves for a game that sounds so cliché and overly ambitious. I'm all for personal stories, and I've always been of the opinion that there's nothing inherently wrong with clichés...but this just sounds bland, and I won't contribute to this cause.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong in my assessment.
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A game in development Donate money for a worthy cause. A Youtuber that I subscribe to is playing a HUGE part in the game as one of the main characters..... oh and see whose doing what voice. You'll be in a surprise.
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From the mind of David Daniels, it was written over the course of 10 years encompassing elements of Action, Adventure, Fantasy, Romance, Comedy, Horror, and Drama...
In Amaranthine Story the main focus is game play, story, and music. Without these key elements a game can fail. Being a gamer my entire life and years of studying reviews on many different RPG, I have gained a deep understanding for what made popular games such as Final Fantasy 7 great...
Amaranthine Story is set in an open world where players can travel by foot, Airship, Cars, Buses, Boats, or Mountable creatures. Each continent is aimed to be larger than Skyrim....
In Amaranthine Story the main focus is game play, story, and music. Without these key elements a game can fail. Being a gamer my entire life and years of studying reviews on many different RPG, I have gained a deep understanding for what made popular games such as Final Fantasy 7 great...
Amaranthine Story is set in an open world where players can travel by foot, Airship, Cars, Buses, Boats, or Mountable creatures. Each continent is aimed to be larger than Skyrim....
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Hate to be a downer but those guys sound really full of themselves for a game that sounds so cliché and overly ambitious. I'm all for personal stories, and I've always been of the opinion that there's nothing inherently wrong with clichés...but this just sounds bland, and I won't contribute to this cause.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong in my assessment.
Don't judge a book by it's cover. Some people judged other games on how clichés and such and they turned out to be great in the end. Besides did you even watch the video?
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Anthony wrote:
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A game in development Donate money for a worthy cause. A Youtuber that I subscribe to is playing a HUGE part in the game as one of the main characters..... oh and see whose doing what voice. You'll be in a surprise.
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From the mind of David Daniels, it was written over the course of 10 years encompassing elements of Action, Adventure, Fantasy, Romance, Comedy, Horror, and Drama...
In Amaranthine Story the main focus is game play, story, and music. Without these key elements a game can fail. Being a gamer my entire life and years of studying reviews on many different RPG, I have gained a deep understanding for what made popular games such as Final Fantasy 7 great...
Amaranthine Story is set in an open world where players can travel by foot, Airship, Cars, Buses, Boats, or Mountable creatures. Each continent is aimed to be larger than Skyrim....
In Amaranthine Story the main focus is game play, story, and music. Without these key elements a game can fail. Being a gamer my entire life and years of studying reviews on many different RPG, I have gained a deep understanding for what made popular games such as Final Fantasy 7 great...
Amaranthine Story is set in an open world where players can travel by foot, Airship, Cars, Buses, Boats, or Mountable creatures. Each continent is aimed to be larger than Skyrim....
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Hate to be a downer but those guys sound really full of themselves for a game that sounds so cliché and overly ambitious. I'm all for personal stories, and I've always been of the opinion that there's nothing inherently wrong with clichés...but this just sounds bland, and I won't contribute to this cause.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong in my assessment.
Don't judge a book by it's cover. Some people judged other games on how clichés and such and they turned out to be great in the end. Besides did you even watch the video?
If you ask me, I think I was being very diplomatic, seeing as I said there's nothing inherently wrong with clichés. Indeed, Dragon Age: Origins, one of my favorite games of all time, is filled to the brim with clichés done well.
However, that video is poorly voice acted and the script is weak and cheesy and the developers are either biting off far more than they can chew or a lot of their promises will mean nothing. For instance, what do we gain by areas bigger than Skyrim if there's nothing in them? And they're adding so many genres that one simply has to wonder if they'll be able to keep a clean, focused narrative. Ask yourself if they'll really be able to fulfill so many huge promises with only 10.000$.
I'd like to add that the very point of putting a project up on kickstarter is to convince people to fund something based on, for the most part, someone's word alone. These people come across as incredibly pretentious, all while overhyping their game to infinity and beyond, backing it with a script that sounds like high school fanfiction - why wouldn't I "judge a book based on its cover"?
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I wish good luck to these guys though. They seem to have a lot of faith in their game (even if they should polish their descritpion in my opinion).
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Thane wrote:
If you ask me, I think I was being very diplomatic, seeing as I said there's nothing inherently wrong with clichés. Indeed, Dragon Age: Origins, one of my favorite games of all time, is filled to the brim with clichés done well.
However, that video is poorly voice acted and the script is weak and cheesy and the developers are either biting off far more than they can chew or a lot of their promises will mean nothing.
However, that video is poorly voice acted and the script is weak and cheesy and the developers are either biting off far more than they can chew or a lot of their promises will mean nothing.
Current Video by the man who does the voice of the main male of the story.
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I have to agree with Thane on this one. The creator seem to have never had created a game before and he's attempting to do a AA game litteraly. With barely 10 000 I really doubt he can "show the world" his intention. It sound like those pitch we do in class and we are constantly reminded that those game are wayyyyyy over idealized. Storywise, what bug me the most is that it's full of empty words. Okay so he will challenge his moral and faith.....Like what? Any ideas? It sound like the classic, "he will meet many challenges" when you have no actual ideas what the challenges are, but you have an idea about the ending.
I wish good luck to these guys though. They seem to have a lot of faith in their game (even if they should polish their descritpion in my opinion).
I wish good luck to these guys though. They seem to have a lot of faith in their game (even if they should polish their descritpion in my opinion).
Going to jump upon this shaming train, I suppose. $10,000? It's not very much money to do really anything in. Heck, there are further questions to ask than just does he have the experience to do this. Looking at the page, he has no programmer, which is a big red flag for me. Even if he does find one, does he have the experience to go through such a project? Does he have the time to go through such a project?
Basically, this looks like something that's doomed to fail, and looks like the product of some really over confident kid who thinks that making a AAA game is a walk in the park.
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Anthony wrote:
Thane wrote:
If you ask me, I think I was being very diplomatic, seeing as I said there's nothing inherently wrong with clichés. Indeed, Dragon Age: Origins, one of my favorite games of all time, is filled to the brim with clichés done well.
However, that video is poorly voice acted and the script is weak and cheesy and the developers are either biting off far more than they can chew or a lot of their promises will mean nothing.
However, that video is poorly voice acted and the script is weak and cheesy and the developers are either biting off far more than they can chew or a lot of their promises will mean nothing.
Current Video by the man who does the voice of the main male of the story.
I don't understand your so-called argument. I talked about the video on their kickstarter page and it was delivered very poorly, and the script was bad. This seems to be a random youtuber playing a Final Fantasy game; may I ask what difference it makes if he voices the protagonist?
It's very hard to talk to you about this if you're going to ignore everything I say.
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