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"What were you doing before that?" Sakura asked. "Did you hear or see anything interesting?"
"Other than the explosions, nothing much. I was fascinated by the concept of time travel, so I was just looking around the room," she said, and then thoughtfully added, "In hindsight, I should have probably asked Matt to come along or something."
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"Alchie..." said Arthur. "Is it possible that you were frozen by Crimson herself?"
She frowned. "I'm not sure... Like I said, I never saw who shot me, so anything is possible. But she came to save people... why would Crimson do it then?"
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She frowned. "I'm not sure... Like I said, I never saw who shot me, so anything is possible. But she came to save people... why would Crimson do it then?"
"I have guesses, but nothing concrete at the moment." said Arthur. "But who else, other than Matt or yourself had the opportunity to freeze you? Crimson was in a suit. Only she could've gotten past the fire inferno in the emergency staircase. Van might've as well, but he has an alibi at that time, I think. Is it possible that Crimson was the one that froze you, and then used the growth bullet on the Bunsen burner by the stairs?"
"It would account for the second gun, if Crimson had it with her the entire time, and brought it with her to the Antigrav room, wouldn't it?"
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She frowned. "I'm not sure... Like I said, I never saw who shot me, so anything is possible. But she came to save people... why would Crimson do it then?"
"I have guesses, but nothing concrete at the moment." said Arthur. "But who else, other than Matt or yourself had the opportunity to freeze you? Crimson was in a suit. Only she could've gotten past the fire inferno in the emergency staircase. Van might've as well, but he has an alibi at that time, I think. Is it possible that Crimson was the one that froze you, and then used the growth bullet on the Bunsen burner by the stairs?"
"It would account for the second gun, if Crimson had it with her the entire time, and brought it with her to the Antigrav room, wouldn't it?"
"Yeah, but why would she go up to the Time Machine room only to freeze Alchie? Seems kinda pointless, doesn't it?" Matt said. "Maybe it was to save her from the bunsen burner explosion? Since she knew about the explosion, it could be that she froze Alchie in order to not let her be killed by the explosion. In fact, I'm pretty sure she was only blasted forwards by the explosion and it might've been because she was frozen."
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"Yeah, but why would she go up to the Time Machine room only to freeze Alchie? Seems kinda pointless, doesn't it?" Matt said. "Maybe it was to save her from the bunsen burner explosion? Since she knew about the explosion, it could be that she froze Alchie in order to not let her be killed by the explosion. In fact, I'm pretty sure she was only blasted forwards by the explosion and it might've been because she was frozen."
"...I think it's more likely that she did it to prevent Alchie from interfering." said Arthur. "That also explains why she then used the growth bullet on the Bunsen burner, to keep Alchie and you occupied on the third floor, and keep whoever was on the second floor trapped there."
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"Yeah, but why would she go up to the Time Machine room only to freeze Alchie? Seems kinda pointless, doesn't it?" Matt said. "Maybe it was to save her from the bunsen burner explosion? Since she knew about the explosion, it could be that she froze Alchie in order to not let her be killed by the explosion. In fact, I'm pretty sure she was only blasted forwards by the explosion and it might've been because she was frozen."
"She knew about the explosion?" Alchie asked, sounding confused. "I think I missed us learning that. Did she know it would specifically go off in the time machine room?"
"But yeah, I was pushed down the hall due to the explosion. Maybe it's the freezing that saved me..."
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"...I think it's more likely that she did it to prevent Alchie from interfering." said Arthur. "That also explains why she then used the growth bullet on the Bunsen burner, to keep Alchie and you occupied on the third floor, and keep whoever was on the second floor trapped there."
"How would Crimson know the two of us were on floor three? And are we assuming Crimson was the one who bugged the walkie-talkies then?" She toyed with the ends of the blanket. "If she was planning all of this, why would she have died in the end? She came to save others..."
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"She told me to find Sakura on the first floor, but I never saw her try to help me, she must have gone straight away to antigrav or the second floor."
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We know who he roped into being his accomplice: Ryuji.
We have claims from everyone where they were while the explosions were happening.
We know Crimson died sometime after running in with Ryuji's safety suit. Problem is, she could have died anytime after that.
We have the mysterious fifth Bunsen burner which we believe was grown to create the 'pillar of fire' several students saw, making the stairs inaccessible for up to five minutes.
We have an unaccounted-for freeze bullet and shrink bullet, the former possibly being used on Crimson to freeze her at some point, but the latter currently doesn't seem to have a use in this case.
We also have Ryuji's claim of the anti-grav chamber feeling 'off' after Crimson's body was found.
Arthur also seems to claim the body was strange in some way.
There's also the matter of the 'bugged' walkie-talkies, meaning someone could have listened in on Van and Ryuji's plan. It's believed that whoever has the linked bug knew about the plan and is thus the actual killer.
Alchie was frozen while examining the time machine room, but by who and why are still mysteries.
The third safety suit, found in the Chem Lab, strikes me as a bit odd, but it doesn't seem to have been used in the rescue.
Does any of these topics seem relevant to discuss? Or does anyone have anything else they have questions about? We need to move forward and discuss something at least."
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"U-Um...I-I don't k-know how relevant this will be, b-but I remembered why the crime scene felt off to me..."
Averting his gaze from the others, Ryuji continued to speak.
"...W-When I was waiting in the anti-grav room f-for V-Van's original plan, t-there were 3 windows o-on each wall to the moon...b-but, w-when we were investigating the crime scene, t-there was only two...One of them w-was replaced with a metal wall..."
"I-I d-don't know if you guys will believe me, b-but...t-that's what I remember..."
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"Well the anti-grav chamber is airlocked so opening a window wouldn't affect the rest of the base in a huge way. However, those windows are extremely durable! AND, any killer who opened the window unprotected would just find themselves dead with Crimson."
"So, in other words, if Crimson did die in this way, wouldn't Crimson herself have to have been the killer as well?" Arthur asked.
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"Well the anti-grav chamber is airlocked so opening a window wouldn't affect the rest of the base in a huge way. However, those windows are extremely durable! AND, any killer who opened the window unprotected would just find themselves dead with Crimson."
"So, in other words, if Crimson did die in this way, wouldn't Crimson herself have to have been the killer as well?" Arthur asked.
"...Unless someone else was controlling her body at the time," Sayako replied.
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"So, in other words, if Crimson did die in this way, wouldn't Crimson herself have to have been the killer as well?" Arthur asked.
"But Monokuma said suicide isn't an option now," Alchie said, sighing. "So there's not much of ways except the switching. And there were fewer people with an opportunity to do that."
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"But Monokuma said suicide isn't an option now," Alchie said, sighing. "So there's not much of ways except the switching. And there were fewer people with an opportunity to do that."
"The options during the explosion are limited indeed. But isn't it possible that Crimson was in someone else's body the entire time while the explosions were happening? Then there are a few people with that opportunity." said Arthur.
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"The options during the explosion are limited indeed. But isn't it possible that Crimson was in someone else's body the entire time while the explosions were happening? Then there are a few people with that opportunity." said Arthur.
She looked at him, thinking. "That is a possibility... but wouldn't that mean, at that time, it was the killer who wanted to go through Door 3 in the guise of saving people?"
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JesusMonroe wrote:
"Time for a topic change! Let's talk about Crimson. Where she could've gone and who the killer would be in each case, as well as other mysteries like how she died."
"Alright, so we know that Crimson was wearing an environmental suit when I saw her re-entered door three. So it's possible that Crimson had the gun with the remaining bullets, walked up to the third floor and froze Alchie, then walked down to the second floor, and waited until Ryuji and Flo left. Afterwards, she couldn't have walked straight back down to the first floor, even with the environment suit on. If she had, then either Van or Ryuji would've seen her. So she might have gone to the second floor via the stairs and jumped, just as Flo had, from the second floor elevator landing to the first floor, avoiding the staircase altogether, and avoiding being seen. In this way, Crimson, or whoever was using her body at the time, could have frozen Alchie, and gotten to the AntiGrav room undetected." Arthur said.
"Is there anything wrong with this?" asked Arthur.
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"I never saw Crimson after I re-entered door 3. I heard Ryuji when he walked in, but I'm pretty sure I never heard Crimson or saw Crimson on the first floor. I was digging in the rubble the entire time. The only time someone should have been able to sneak past me is when I was in the bathroom, and through the rubble. That was when the chem lab exploded."
"Anyway, I have no idea what that means, but I was a little confused when Ryuji told me Crimson had also gone back in."
"Also, Ryuji and I spoke about our plans over the walkie-talkies for a few days, so whoever listened on us with the bugs would know everything."
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"Um... I was thinking maybe it meant something weirder. I never saw or heard her enter at all. Which, like, does that mean that's where the other shrink bullet had to be used? Why did she hide where she went? You might be right that she went somewhere weird like the anti-gravity room."
"I don't think that could be the case-- or at the very least, Crimson couldn't have shot herself with the gun and then held onto it. According to Sakura's testimony, when you shoot yourself with the microscope bullet, the gun doesn't shrink with you." said Arthur. "We know at some point after Crimson re-enters Door 3 that the gun makes its way up to the third floor to shoot Alchie outside of the Time Machine room. It might be possible if Crimson were shot by a third party, who then took the gun up to the third floor. But then, who, and how?"
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
"Hmm... The windows in both the anti-gravity room and the time machine room were missing at some point, right? What if Crimson... o-or whoever might have been using her body at the time... intentionally shot out both windows and used that as a passageway to and from the first and third floors? Would that be possible if she had the safety suit on?"
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Arthur nodded. "Such a thing may be possible. Even a normal person wouldn't be hurt by the fall in moon gravity. It would be difficult, but not impossible to maneuver to the window. And if the Time Machine window was really blown out by the explosion, Crimson would only need to use either the microscope bullet or potentially the freeze bullet to break inside. Well done."
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"Well, that's an interesting thought, Miss Amachi," Jay stated, eyes closed in thought, "And very commendable. But like Arthur said, the time machine room explosion is what destroyed that window. That doesn't change the fact that I guess it's possible she broke the window in the anti-grav chamber, but the question is: Why? What reason could she have to do that? Is there a reason she needed to get to the third floor so badly? Or wait... maybe she broke the window to get back into the anti-grav chamber...? But then why is that where we found her dead?"
Arthur thought. "So, you think Crimson went to the Anti-grav room first, blew out the window, and then climbed to the third floor, then waited for the Time Machine explosion, slip in that window, freeze Alchie, then turn around and go back down the same way, exiting toward the antigrav room? I think that's possible given the evidence so far, but it would be pretty difficult."
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Arthur thought. "So, you think Crimson went to the Anti-grav room first, blew out the window, and then climbed to the third floor, then waited for the Time Machine explosion, slip in that window, freeze Alchie, then turn around and go back down the same way, exiting toward the antigrav room? I think that's possible given the evidence so far, but it would be pretty difficult."
"I'm not sure that's quite right... Alchie was already frozen by the time the explosion in the Time Machine Room occurred, wasn't she?"
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"Oh, ah, t-thank you both..." Sayako stammered, embarrassed by the praise. "I'm not sure exactly why she would have done that or needed to go to either of those rooms in particular... The anti-gravity room was one of the only two rooms that weren't destroyed by the fire, so maybe it's something to do with that?"
"I think it might have been the only way that Crimson could've moved about this facility without being seen." said Arthur. "If, for example, Crimson's body was inhabited by the murderer, she could've wanted to move about the facility and attempted to silence or otherwise dispose of the real Crimson (in another's body), without being detected, so being able to move outside of the facility would be a great boon."
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Arthur thought. "So, you think Crimson went to the Anti-grav room first, blew out the window, and then climbed to the third floor, then waited for the Time Machine explosion, slip in that window, freeze Alchie, then turn around and go back down the same way, exiting toward the antigrav room? I think that's possible given the evidence so far, but it would be pretty difficult."
"I'm not sure that's quite right... Alchie was already frozen by the time the explosion in the Time Machine Room occurred, wasn't she?"
"True, true," Jay admitted, pondering, "So if 'Crimson' had the gun the whole time, she would've had to go to the third floor sometime without being noticed, then she shot Alchie, waited for the time machine room explosion, jumped out the window, broke the anti-grav chamber window, and went in... and then killed herself?"
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"I'm not sure that's quite right... Alchie was already frozen by the time the explosion in the Time Machine Room occurred, wasn't she?"
"Are we sure about that?" asked Arthur. "Alchie, how did you know that you were frozen specifically after the Chem Lab explosion? You weren't on that floor at the time, and you didn't mention sensing any of the other explosions. And Matt only found you after the time machine explosion."
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"We're just reaching dead end after dead end," Flo slumped down on the podium. "Maybe… it's time we use a lifeline? I was thinking a logic dive, maybe Jay can be the one to answer the questions. Or someone else, but not me, I'm too much of an idiot."
"I can only speak for myself, but I think we're making decent progress for now." Arthur shrugged. "There's only a few loose ends to tie up, I think."
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Then Arthur piped up, and Jay replied, "Good point, Mystery Writer! We don't really know when she could've gotten shot. Who was it that came up with that she was shot after the chem lab explosion?" Jay points to the spot in the timeline he's referring to.
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Then Arthur piped up, and Jay replied, "Good point, Mystery Writer! We don't really know when she could've gotten shot. Who was it that came up with that she was shot after the chem lab explosion?" Jay points to the spot in the timeline he's referring to.
"I believe it was Alchie herself." said Arthur.
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"We're just reaching dead end after dead end," Flo slumped down on the podium. "Maybe… it's time we use a lifeline? I was thinking a logic dive, maybe Jay can be the one to answer the questions. Or someone else, but not me, I'm too much of an idiot."
"W-Well, what should we use a lifeline on..?"
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She turned to Arthur.
"Alchie was shot before the explosion right? Do you think… the killer did that because they didn't want Alchie to die there? And if so, what about me and Matchy?"
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Then Arthur piped up, and Jay replied, "Good point, Mystery Writer! We don't really know when she could've gotten shot. Who was it that came up with that she was shot after the chem lab explosion?" Jay points to the spot in the timeline he's referring to.
"I believe it was Alchie herself." said Arthur.
"Good find! Alchie, how did you know about that? How could you tell it was the third explosion?" Jay asked, pressing her, but trying not to be too harsh, "Did you feel three explosions before you got shot?"
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