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Hey is it me or is the image here on the profile thing that of a younger Kristoph?

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Color me unconvinced. The only thing he's got going is that he's blond. He's lacking the trademark Unicorn hair and I think his face build is different.
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It would make sense, though, having Kristoph as a defense attorney against Edgeworth, especially as short hair seems to mean people are young.
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Unfortunately I think we should assume it's not Kristoph or his relative. Since we'll end up disappointed if we speculate Kristoph will be there and then it turns out he isn't.
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I don't think that's Kristoph, although it WOULD be cool to play against Kristoph.
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I don't think it's him, nor do I want it to be him (if he in fact is the defense attorney).

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Kristoph was a main villain - there's no point in going back into the timeline to make him look less competent. All he has going for him is that for seven years, Phoenix couldn't come close to catching or beating him - if Edgeworth hands his ass to him in however many cases, what was the point of building that kind of unbeatable reputation for him? It makes Kristoph AND Phoenix both look like chumps.


Besides, if this is their way of providing fanservice to the fans who prefer Phoenix arc to AJ, I think the last thing they'd do is put in such a prominent AJ character.
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I'm not really convinced it's Kristoph. Even though GS characters usually change their appearance over long periods of time, the face in the picture just doesn't look like it was based off Kristoph's. And the absence of the drill-hair, though I don't remember if young Klavier had his, either.
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Stop me if I'm wrong, but

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in Case 4 of AJ, you see Kristoph in a "flashback" when he's handing his younger brother the forged evidence. There he looks like he looks seven years later. So unless GNS takes place some time between PW3 and AJ1 and Kristoph had a short-hair-phase, I doubt it's him.

Edit: Well, then again, who's to say it doesn't take place before that, right? I just wouldn't know when.

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I have a feeling this game will take place before the first Ace Attorney game.
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I have a feeling this game will take place before the first Ace Attorney game.

You know, the more I think about this, the more I find it to be likely.
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It's been confirmed it takes place while Edgeworth is still a jerk(AKA some time between 1-1 and 1-3.)
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. I keep hearing this and I'm already very much sick and tired of this rumor. :grey:

Yes, the man is blonde. Yes, the man wears glasses. That's as far as the similarity goes. Seriously, compare him to official art of Kristoph and you'll see how different they are.

What bugs me most is the color. The man in the scan clearly has very light skintone and hair color... the guy's as pale as a sheet. If you look at Kristoph, though, he's got a California beachboy combination like his brother, just a more subtle version of it.

It. Is. Not. Kristoph. The people who think so are just victims of wishful thinking, I'm afraid.
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But ummm, guys, are those glasses I see on that dude?
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But ummm, guys, are those glasses I see on that dude?


Yes, he does seem to have glasses.

So what? Kristoph's not the only blonde wearing glasses in the world. :adrian:

It doesn't change the fact that it looks like a different person entirely.
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believe me, its not wishful thinking on my part. i just think its him

i think its funny all the people trying to convince others that its not kristoph. it might be, it might not be. just wait until the game gets more developed.
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Actually, I think I know who it is...

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With bleached hair and glasses. Really.

But seriously, I doubt it's Kristoph. That's not to say I wouldn't be wonderfully happy if Kristoph was somehow in the game but...

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I don't think it's him, nor do I want it to be him (if he in fact is the defense attorney).

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Kristoph was a main villain - there's no point in going back into the timeline to make him look less competent. All he has going for him is that for seven years, Phoenix couldn't come close to catching or beating him - if Edgeworth hands his ass to him in however many cases, what was the point of building that kind of unbeatable reputation for him? It makes Kristoph AND Phoenix both look like chumps.



Besides, if this is their way of providing fanservice to the fans who prefer Phoenix arc to AJ, I think the last thing they'd do is put in such a prominent AJ character.

Why bother with an argument when Croik sums it all up so perfectly?
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I seriously doubt that's Kristoph. It just doesn't look like him in the least (though you could say that about GS4 Phoenix as well, but that's a whole different story.) In fact, given that it seems to be the only profile, it's not a bad guess that he's the victim (unless it's scrolled over and he's the ninth character in the record, but I don't see any arrows.)
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Sorry to burst anyone's hopes here but to me that looks nothing like Kristoph and I doubt they'd put him in a spin off game like this.
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That's exactly how I'd expect Young Kristoph to look if they ever made him. Mainly because that's how most fanartists tend to draw him. I'm not entirely convinced that it's actually him, though. Might have borrowed some ideas from the Gavin's beta designs, but that's about it. :jake:

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And if they did include Kristoph, it would probably be to vindicate him. A big complaint about him is that his motives seem trite because he's such a sociopath and doesn't care about human life. So a game showing 22-year-old Kristoph might show a slightly less twisted side of him, as well as the reason he wound up getting so bloody corrupted.
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Well, I have to admit that I have been staring at the profile pic and... I don't see the resemblance honestly. Sure he has blond hair and glasses, but so do a lot of people. The face shape and skin coloring of the person in that pic simply look pretty different from Kristoph's profile pic in AJ, but perhaps that's because the pic isn't that clear. I have my doubts that its Kristoph though.
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I personally don't care who it could be. But it's obviously a mysterious character, judging by the ????? they used for his name. >_> Capcom is planning something and I can tell.

Has evetyone forgotten about :adrian:? Maybe it's her brother. >_> Bah.
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I was just staring at this, and I will die of happiness if it indeed is Krissi <3 <3 <3

To me, it would really suck if this new game doesn't tie into all of the other games somehow. It'd be epic if this game could atleast fill us in on ONE giant plothole somewhere, or atleast give us more insight into characters we don't know much about.

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Color me unconvinced. The only thing he's got going is that he's blond. He's lacking the trademark Unicorn hair and I think his face build is different.


Klavier used to not have the spike either, and he also had short hair. A short blonde younger Kristoph IS possible.

Lets just wait and see, we'll kill the excitement if we over speculate to death before anything official comes up.
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Okay, you know someone had to do it.

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I resized the magazine shot two different ways, in case one was more clear than the other, but...they look the same, really. Anyway, there are some definate similarities, but the biggest strike against it (as far as I see) is that the team is just too lazy to change him that much!

Looking at Edgeworth's body shots, they're pretty much re-done versions of sprites he already had - same pose, different size and detail. And even within games, they hardly distinguish between how a character looks years ago versus how they look now. Just look at Klav:

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There's a few alterations, but it's more or less the same face with touch-ups.

I don't want to diss the team, because they do a great job, but we're talking about a series that did not update Phoenix's sprite sheet over four games. Even in AJ they didn't even bother to give him a bit of extra color to make him look DS-ized. Ema was gone for just as long, and she still didn't change that much.

I know it sounds insignificant, but... I think if they really meant for it to be Kristoph, they would have kept his bangs parted on the side. XD

Unless...Iwamoto just decided to redo Kristoph's art himself :<
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This is probably nothing, but I noticed that from what I can see of that cap, that the top design is the closest to it: http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs4gu ... ouya09.jpg

Could the styles be related to each other somehow? Or am I just reading too much into this?

And I'd highly doubt its Klavi, he'd be what, 14? The guy in the profile picture is obviously older then that.
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I'm still convinced that that's Kristoph.

I'll stick with it until I'm proven wrong. (Officially, that is.)

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Arei wrote:
This is probably nothing, but I noticed that from what I can see of that cap, that the top design is the closest to it: http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs4gu ... ouya09.jpg

Could the styles be related to each other somehow? Or am I just reading too much into this?

And I'd highly doubt its Klavi, he'd be what, 14? The guy in the profile picture is obviously older then that.


Obviously the lost Gavin brother 8U
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Croik wrote:
I don't want to diss the team, because they do a great job, but we're talking about a series that did not update Phoenix's sprite sheet over four games. Even in AJ they didn't even bother to give him a bit of extra color to make him look DS-ized. Ema was gone for just as long, and she still didn't change that much.

I know it sounds insignificant, but... I think if they really meant for it to be Kristoph, they would have kept his bangs parted on the side. XD

Unless...Iwamoto just decided to redo Kristoph's art himself :<


Well, remember, Phoenix's sprite sheet got left the same because it could be. The angle was always the same. Same with the Klavier & Young Klavier thing, they were just being lazy. This game sort of changes that, since the characters are going to be standing Fire Emblem style. In other words, they're being forced to redraw all of the characters anyway, so why not give Kristoph a new design for the ten-year leap? :garyuu:

Even Edgey looks a bit different, his cravat is bigger. That thing is growing the more the series goes on. :ema-shock:
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While I doubt it, I can only hope.
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I'm still convinced that that's Kristoph.

I'll stick with it until I'm proven wrong. (Officially, that is.)

Then also prepare to be disappointed if it isn't true.

I honestly don't care, as I'm not a big fan of Kristoph. But I admit, it would be cool.

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Thank you very much, Croik. ^^

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Now, is it just me, or do I see Kristoph's little fringe twisty thing on our mystery person's head?

The only difference here is that our Mystery person does not have Kristoph's cake-icing squeezer hair, and the right part of his hair isn't combed back. But he does have Kristoph's hair color, and he does look as if he's wearing glasses.

Now, my next point is.

Remember the screenshot of that kingly-looking person on the scan?

This one:

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Now, I'm not sure about you, but IMO I think Capcom enjoys reusing and developing old character designs... (Look at Apollo, Trucy, and Ema. And look at the earliest designs of Lawyer, partner, and detective. They look pretty similar to me. Also, Prosecutor's first old-guy character was instead developed further into Manfred von Karma when it wasn't used for Edgeworth.)

And if you look at Kristoph's earlier designs...

In particular, this one: http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs4gu ... hito06.jpg

You'll see that the design of both old Kristoph(s) and the new purple person have a little bit of similarity. Could it be that they used his old unused designs to develop into a relative of the Gavin brothers?

I say that it's totally possible. (Plus, the both of them have that bit of elegant European-ish air, don't they?)


Anyways, this is just my opinion/thinking. You're free to say whatever you want.

I'm sticking to my belief that this person is Kristoph Gavin, and this will not change unless I'm proven wrong officially. (IE. Magazine scans, official names, etc.)

(I was the first person to suggest this, after all. It wouldn't make sense if I just threw away what I'd said in less than 3 days, right?)
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Thank you, that's the best thing I've read all day.

And for the sake of topicality, I'd say that there are quite a bit of resemblance points that I at least acknowledge the possibility. Like Croik said, though, it doesn't seem like a good move to start bringing in characters from the new arc when the game is designed around the old one, least of all ones that wouldn't really benefit from additional backstory.

This sorta reminds me of the days when first word of GS4 was coming out, and people were trying to prove that Kristoph was actually Edgeworth in disguise.
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And for the sake of topicality, I'd say that there are quite a bit of resemblance points that I at least acknowledge the possibility. Like Croik said, though, it doesn't seem like a good move to start bringing in characters from the new arc when the game is designed around the old one, least of all ones that wouldn't really benefit from additional backstory.

Honestly, I think Kristoph desperately needs additional backstory to make his character make sense, but that's just me. :garyuu:

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This sorta reminds me of the days when first word of GS4 was coming out, and people were trying to prove that Kristoph was actually Edgeworth in disguise.

Actually, I always thought he was Larry if anything.... :larry:

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I always thought that was Olga Orly's father or something. =P
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*Sigh*

I seriously don't have a clue where anyone could get the idea that this guy is Kristoph. He doesn't look like him. At all. Plus, if he were to be in the game, I would think they'd either keep it a secret or simply state that he's in it. They wouldn't show some blurry profile picture in the magazine to make people speculate. It's just ridiculous, no matter how you look at it.

And personally, I hope there's NOTHING from GS4 in the game.
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He doesn't look like him. At all.


Let me run down the list...same hair color, similar shading, same nose, same expression, same shape of head, same shape of chin, and looks to have a similar outfit design from the tiny bit we can see. Really, the only differences I can spot are hair shape, facial size, glasses shape, and skin tone. And Ema changed all of those when she changed age.

If he's not meant to at least be part of the Gavin family, he's a plagiarization. :redd:
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We must be looking at different pictures then.
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...same expression...


But Kristoph's normal profile is like :garyuu: and this new one looks so pissy! Not that there isn't basis for Kristoph to be pissy, but he spends so much time trying to hide that he is.

I really don't want it to be him. :sadshoe:
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This game was confirmed to be around GS3, and it'd really only make sense to have it during the 7 year gap, so it would make some sense to have Kristoph.
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