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***Topic will have severe spoilers from GS1-3.***

As the topic title states, which Prosecutor do you feel the most sympathetic towards?

Spoiler: GS1
Edgeworth subconsciously thought that he had killed his father for fifteen years. He was taken in by Manfred von Karma, and bascially twisted into something he used to hate, and when he finally finds that he really was innocent, it's to find out that the real murderer was the man who had taken him in after the murder.


Spoiler: GS2
Franziska always lived in the shadow of Manfred and Edgeworth, and even with becoming a Prosecutor at thirteen, and keeping a perfect record until she met Phoenix, still always felt overshadowed by her father and her "brother".


Spoiler: GS3
Godot was poisoned while trying to reveal Chinami as Yuuki's killer, and was believed to be dead for five years while he was really in a coma. He finally awoke, only to find out that Mia was already dead, bascially leaving him with no direction in his life. Added to this, although he had survived the poison, he still lost his eyesight, and required constant medical treatment from his Doctors.


I haven't played GS3 since I can't read Japanese, so this part may not be entirely accurate. I apologise in advance if I made any mistakes.

Spoiler: GS4
Kyouya obviously has problems with feeling lonely. For all his fame as a Prosecutor and Rock Star, he feels that no one really understands him, and that's why he's always trying to take Odoroki somewhere. Kyouya


I personally feel the most for Edgeworth. No one deserves to suffer what he did.
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Yeah, I feel the most sympathetic for Edgeworth, plus I love him anyway.

I haven't played GS3 and I haven't really been reading up on GS4 so I don't know much about Godot and whoever GS4's prosecuter is, but I wonder if they suffered more than Edgeworth has.
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...are you serious about the GS4 one Edgy

I definitely feel sympathetic for Edgeworth, and not just for that incident.

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Supposedly, since I never got to Case 5 (I borrowed game (and DS Oops) from friend) and base my theories on what I heard about it, he used forged evidence without knowing it and that's what increased the rumors that he used forged evidence. Supposedly before Case 5, he DID use forged evidence and probably felt guilty about it afterwards. There's a lot of pressure on poor Miles.

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Edgeworth easily. He has been living with guilt for 15 years. Nobody else had that much suffering.
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Edgeworth is an admirable character, and I did really hate him early on until about case 3, midway. In case 4, he had some great development.

Franziska was really a b*t*h the whole way through, and actually thoroughly annoying, consistently. The ending of case four was really an interesting touch to her personality and something completely different. It's hard being Maya's age, trying to play it cool, and always be in daddy's shadow, who happens to be the ...something something ... of Edgeworth.
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as much as I feel for Edgeworth, I have to say, I feel the most sympathy for Godot *even though I may be biased*

beware of the rant, which may or may not have a point. it has a point in my mind at the moment >_>

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I mean, first he's poisoned, and thought to be dead. during this time, Mia, his lover, is murdered. then, to add insult to injury, he loses his sight. he wants someone to blame for Mia's death, when really, it was no one's fault at all *at least, that's how I take it* and he builds his entire profession as a prosecutor around this futile revenge.


now, I may be interpreting this completely wrong, but that's just my opinion.
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Edgeworth. Seriously, he must have been going to the psychologist or something during that missing year because for him to be able to come back with so much confidance after all the things he discovers during the last two PW1 cases.... =(
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Gotta be Edgeworth
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Thinking about it more-than-just-in-passing, it's actually a close call between Edgeworth and Godot.

Mrh...at this time of posting, in fact, I can't decide.
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Edgeworth, but Franziska a close second.

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Most definately Edgey and Godot.
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....Gotta be Godot.

Actually, I'd also think Payne scores quite high here. Always losing can be quite hard for one's personality, especially if you are known to be a winner all the time.

And theres Manfred.

Spoiler: GS1
Poor guy got a penelty. And he was so mad he blindly shot Edgeworth's father. And the rest of his life he has had to live with himself being a criminal, despise hating them so much.


I agree what has been said about Edgeworth, and I feel no sympathy what-so-ever to Franziska.

I'd say...:

Godot
Edgeworth
Payne
Manfred
Franziska
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What? No feel of sympathy towards Payne? He lost his hair and had to wait over 10 years to grow at least a suiting hairstyle. Isn't that terrible? Larry

Naaah, onto the topic. My choice is Edgeworth, he has had nightmares in 15 years about that incident, where he lost his father at a young age and had to give up dreaming about being a defense attorney. Very sad. Sadshoe

Godot comes in a close second.

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I would feel sympathy for Godot if he wasn't such an ass about the whole thing.

Edgeworth of course comes in first. Franziska, though...

She worked her ass off since she was a little, little girl to try and be good enough for her father. Now Manfred? I see him as just having paid attention to Edgeworth so he could raise him solely for the purpose of destroying him later. Franziska never had any sort of a childhood (at least Miles had something before DL-6 when he was 9) at ALL. Her entire life she's just been trying desperately to follow Miles and follow her father's twisted principles of perfection, only to discover that Miles doesn't need her anymore (in fact, he never really did) and that she is, in the sense of the word, completely alone.

That's just sad.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
I would feel sympathy for Godot if he wasn't such an ass about the whole thing.

Edgeworth of course comes in first. Franziska, though...

She worked her ass off since she was a little, little girl to try and be good enough for her father. Now Manfred? I see him as just having paid attention to Edgeworth so he could raise him solely for the purpose of destroying him later. Franziska never had any sort of a childhood (at least Miles had something before DL-6 when he was 9) at ALL. Her entire life she's just been trying desperately to follow Miles and follow her father's twisted principles of perfection, only to discover that Miles doesn't need her anymore (in fact, he never really did) and that she is, in the sense of the word, completely alone.

That's just sad.

Ah, but she's got Adrian, so she isn't completely alone. Adrian
I think the prosecutor I feel most sorry for is Edgeworth because of reasons that have already been explained in this thread. But then again, that may be because he's the prosecutor we spend most time with/learn most about...
Franziska is a close second though, as CFTF has thoughtfully explained. And is shown in those extremely good comics.
But, one prosecutor no-one's mentioned is Lana.
Spoiler: Case 5 Spoilers
She was forced to be Gant's pawn to cover up for her sister, who she thought had killed her boyfriends brother. Ema hated her because she'd become so cold, and Lana couldn't tell her why. I haven't played Case 5 in...oohhh...6 months (If you're reading this Rachel, which is very unlikely, GIVE ME BACK MY DAMN GAME!) but the last day, when Lana's testifying and she's willing to die just to save her sister...

But then again, when the Case is over, and Lana & Ema hug, except for a short prison sentence for Lana, everything's alright. Ema becomes a detective like she wanted, presumably Lana gets off quick and Gant is sent down. But Franziska and Edgeworth, they're never going to get their childhood's back. Friska's always going to be trying to catch up to Edgeworth, and Edgeworth's going to have to live with what happened.
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Ah, but she's got Adrian, so she isn't completely alone. Adrian


In my head, anyway. >.> Dammit it IS canon!

Oh, and Lana. Aw, poor Lana. I <3 Lana.
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I'd have to say Edgeworth. I haven't seen enough of Friska to feel bad for her and I haven't finished Lana's case in Ace Attorney (I played JFA first). I haven't played GS3, and your spoiler about Kyouya was hilarious.
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I'd have felt more sympathy for good 'ol Godot if GS3-5 never happened.

Then again, if he had killed Mayoi... Then all is forgiven. :P
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I'd have felt more sympathy for good 'ol Godot if GS3-5 never happened.


I'd like to just pretend it didn't happen anyway.
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Though I'm not a fan of Fransizka, I'd guess I'm most sympathetic towards her. I can't imagine how awful it must be to try to live up to her father's expectations now that Miles has failed them.
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I wish Capcom did a background story on Payne. Even though the guy is a loser, I would like to see what happened in his life to make him so feeble and weak in court. He must have a horrible life and no friends or wife.

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Unless it was because Mia beat him in his "Rookie Crusher" era, then that would explain a lot

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I wish Capcom did a background story on Payne. Even though the guy is a loser, I would like to see what happened in his life to make him so feeble and weak in court. He must have a horrible life and no friends or wife.

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Unless it was because Mia beat him in his "Rookie Crusher" era, then that would explain a lot



He has a wife, and even a daughter, I think.
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Tinker wrote:
SkittleLover wrote:
I wish Capcom did a background story on Payne. Even though the guy is a loser, I would like to see what happened in his life to make him so feeble and weak in court. He must have a horrible life and no friends or wife.

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Unless it was because Mia beat him in his "Rookie Crusher" era, then that would explain a lot



He has a wife, and even a daughter, I think.


I'm sympathetic to Mrs. Payne then. Poor woman.
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I'll go with Payne. Poor guy can't catch a break, well mostly.

Spoiler: GS3
He does win one case, but since the defense attorney is a total fake, I hardly count that as a win for Payne

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...Then again, if he had killed Mayoi... Then all is forgiven. :P


I'm going to pretend you didn't just say that...

My sympathies go to Edgeworth, primarily because I don't have experience that much with the prosecutors in Case 1-5, Manfred is a jerk, and so was Franny.
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winston payne. the way he fails...it's just...you can't help but feel bad for the guy.

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Now, I haven't played GS3 yet and have been avoiding spoilers, so I can't say anything on Godot, but I'd say, Edgey>Lana>Friska>Manfred>Payne, of what I know. Edgey for all the reasons stated above (He's had a sad, emo life past age 9), Lana for
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having to be Gant's pawn and change her personality altogether, isolating herself from her sister
--though that may have been affected by my just having finished replaying 1-5--Friska for failing miserably at her life's ambition, and frankly, I think the last two earned their misery themselves through obsession/loserdom.
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Edgeworth (obviously) in PW:AA & JFA. No one deserved to go through what he did and I really feel sorry for the poor guy; 'sides, I love him to bits! Edgy (Since I haven't played 3 as of yet, I can't judge Godot fairly so I'm only commenting on the first two games I have played.)
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Great post with the comics CFTF! Though it is a little bit hard to read the text in the stairs one.

Edgeworth's character is written in such a way as to be the lone wolf character that is cool and collected until it comes to some deep problem eating at him for the past years. So I'll go with a pavlovian response here and say Edgey.
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Edgeworth, probably, even though he had the most development to overcome his problems out of all the Prosecutors.


Payne and, if we're counting ones we don't face in court, Lana, both fit a close second. I don't feel all that sorry for Franziska, and even less for Godot.
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Hm... You're all making me curious towards Godot. Argh... need GS3 so badly...

Anyway, I'm going with Edgeworth, of course. I think the reasons already have been stated. Lana, after that.

Well, Franziska after that, I suppose, remembering the ending of 'Farewell, my Turnabout'.

Manfred, no. Payne, especially not, because in my eyes, he is an annoying, boring ass.

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My goodness, that art gave me significant sympathy to a character to whome I didn't think much on.

Poor Payne, he obviously puts some effort into his cases and has an organized claim... but all his witnesses turn out to be murderes.

... Except Gumshoe.

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Well... Edgeworth's so... I feel for Godot. Even though I've never played GS3.
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I feel absolutely no sympathy towards Edgeworth or Franziska, actually, mostly because there are only two things that can get me to sympathize with a character, but Godot just happened to qualify for both (and I loved his character), Payne qualifying for only one.

So, quite frankly, yeah, I only really cared about Godot (because he's my favorite character and he qualified for Holy Hell Sympathy) but I feel bad for Payne as well.
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It's hard for me to point out the specific qualities that make me feel sympathy, but I'm fairly sure that my order is:

Edgeworth = Godot > Lana > Fransizka > Neil Marshall* > Payne > Manfred.

*Marshall had a decent life, but the way it was cut short was rather sick, don't you think?
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Payne is one of my favorite characters. His objections, and his 'suggar daddy' comment, and his dry definitions. Funny stuff.

He is arrogant, but really just because he does lack presence, and seems like a nice guy outside of court.
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and seems like a nice guy outside of court.


How.... can you tell that? Eh?

I think alot of the sympathy arround some of the c harracters are completely based on fandom. I mean, I can hardly see Franziska just wanting to be friends with Miles and holding tea parties, for instance. I more see Franziska as the little devil girl that bulleys Edgeworth all the time.
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I have the most sympathy for Edgeworth. The whole 15 years of nightmares is just awful to go through. Second would be Lana. She's just trying to protect her little sister. Third would be Franziska. She's supposed to live up to everyones' expectations because of her father.

I don't have any sympathy for Manfred and Payne. I still need to play GS3 before I can decide on Godot.
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Mikker wrote:
I think alot of the sympathy arround some of the c harracters are completely based on fandom. I mean, I can hardly see Franziska just wanting to be friends with Miles and holding tea parties, for instance. I more see Franziska as the little devil girl that bulleys Edgeworth all the time.


In Franziska's case, it's true that we're not given a lot of explicit cues revolving around the details of her childhood, but we do see enough that I think it justifies sympathy. She had it pretty rough. Of course, knowing that, I was still relatively ambivalent towards her until we learned that her actions in JfA were based around her love of Edgeworth. She broke down at the end at the threat of really losing him, after all. It's that relationship and that love that ultimately makes her redeemable, and what really won me over to her as a character.

I imagine she bullied Miles around a lot in childhood, too, but she does love him dearly and feels a lot of anguish about his "leaving her behind". Crying over wanting to play with him in tea parties? I can see how that can be hard to swallow, but it is based on the canon of her just wanting him to recognize her.

Oh, and to answer the topic--Edgeworth has probably suffered the most (if we can even quantify such a thing), so it's probably him, though I'm quite sympathetic to all of them. Godot, however, hurts me the most, simply because:

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He's the one, out of all of them, who was unable to rise above his flaws. It's painful, though probably true, to think it probably would have been better for everyone if he'd never woken up at all--but the fact of it is he DID, and lashed out unfairly and made things worse for the people he loved because he didn't know how to cope with his grief. Edgeworth and Franziska have suffered a lot, but they were saved from their downward spirals--Godot is just outright tragic.

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until we learned that her actions in JfA were based around her love of Edgeworth. She broke down at the end at the threat of really losing him, after all. It's that relationship and that love that ultimately makes her redeemable, and what really won me over to her as a character.


... I never did get that part. Lana Saw it mostly as a half-hearted attempt at making her seem more human. Of course, having played GS3 before JFA, I see that she hasn't had any development at all, and the entire scene is not a sign of development as much as her not being herself. Dr. Grey I don't even count that scene as part of Franziska. Franziska consist only of: Whipping in court, whipping outside of court, calling Phoenix fool, making up evidence, whipping police force, making deals with witnesses, then whipping them, and calling the detective Scruffy. And whip him once more.

I think I better play through the game again. Without having to cut and paste images every half a second.

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