In 4-3, Valant helps plan the magic trick for Lamiroir... However, Lamiroir looks very much like Thalassa; her face, her hair, and especially her bracelet. (Even if she was covered by a veil, it was taken off for certain parts of the magic trick.) Is it possible, or probable, that he found out that Lamiroir was actually Thalassa? And if he did, what was he thinking, and why didn't he say anything?

I'm curious as to others' thoughts on this...

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You know, I'm pretty sure we had this discussion in another thread. I don't remember which one but ignoring that, I think that Valant knew it was Lamiroir but didn't say anything because he felt guilty.

Actually now that I think about it, Croik might have commented on this as well. This feels like deja vu. I'm really sure that there is a thread discussing this...

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I didn't think I'd be the first to think this up, but I didn't remember another thread like this. If you (or someone else) gets a link, then we can just lock this one down.

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I searched. There was a discussion in the GS4 Contradictions Thread.

GS4 Contradictions (Spoilers, almost every case)

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Well, now there can be a whole thread devoted to it, instead of there just being a small side-conversation in another, huge thread :3

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Excellent idea! I'll continue the discussion then with my previous point.

I believe Valant realized that it was Thalassa but he felt extremely guilty because he might have 'killed' her before. Of course, we all know it was Zak who did it

Uh, Valant makes a small reference about her being alive. He might have been reminiscing about Lamiroir. If Phoenix can discover that Lamiroir was Thalassa Gramarye, then I'm sure he could have as well.

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Or at least, that's what you want to think. XP
Anyways, I'm almost positive he did know, but didn't say anything because he felt guilty, like Ptapcc said.
I also think he was hinting at that Thalassa was Lamiroir when he said there was a possibility she was alive... but I'm not sure, since I don't remember if he says this in the present or past.

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Those comics are canon
He says it in the Mason past so it has to be in August, September or very, very early October of 2026.

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You know, I've actually been looking out for this the entire time while I was going through AJ a second time, and from what I can remember there wasn't anything he said explicitly that hinted that he knew Lamiroir was indeed Thalassa. Though it would be logical to think he would have, or he'd at least have suspicions about her, having worked in such close proximity with her during the performance.

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He mentions it in 4-4 at some point... Well, not Lamiroir being Thalassa, but he says something about Thalassa still being alive. I'm pretty sure he must've known, though.

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I think he strongly suspected that Lamiroir was Thalassa. Even without her memory, I think she was still a lot like she was as Thalassa, the age matches up, she looks about the same, and her memory loss/blindness could be tied to that shooting accident. Spending time with her for the trick, he might have recognized her.

It's been a while since I've played the game, but I recall him telling Phoenix that he's been wondering if Thalassa really died, as they never saw her body. Seems like a pretty random thing to just mention. I imagine he met Lamiroir and started to consider the possibility. But he had no proof, probably felt a certain amount of guilt-for possibly having shot her, messing with her father's death scene, and his part in what happened to her husband,-and couldn't really come up with a good reason to tell her who she might be.

Think about it. Thalassa had apparently been shot during a trick the trio was practicing, meaning that either Valant or her husband had accidentally taken away her sight and memory. She had been passed off as dead and left on her own in a small foreign country. Valant would have no way to explain who would do this or why. She missed her children growing up, the troupe was no longer together after a long struggle, her father had blackmailed her husband and Valant for a long time and then died, Valant had messed with the crime scene and played a part in Zak getting blamed for the believed murder, Zak had run off and abandoned their daughter, he had returned to ruin the life of the man taking care of her, he'd attacked a girl, Zak had only recently been murdered, and Valant would probably spend time in prison once he confessed to what he had done. That's a lot to deal with. Could you imagine remembering who you are, only to learn all of that? And that was on top of what she was already dealing with-her probably sometimes exhausting career, the murder of interpretor, the crime and sentence of the boy she thought of as her son, being blind, being attacked and almost dying... I wouldn't want to be in that position.: (

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I think he probably knew, or had suspicions. But it's not like he can confirm either way. Maybe he already convinced himself that she was dead, and didn't want to believe this woman was her, maybe he was convinced this woman was her and was secretly happy she's alive. Either way, he probably wouldn't tell her, since she was afraid to know herself. Also, without solid proof, and Valant himself wasn't 100% certain, what if he was mistaken and Lamiroir wasn't Thalassa? That would be confusing and embarrassing...

On a related note, do you think Trucy knew or suspected? She didn't work closely with Lamiroir like Valant did, only tagging along with Apollo, and Thalassa "died" when Trucy was fairly young, but she did have that photo in the locket... could she have thought about the resemblance?

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Here's a better question: how did Thalassa just vanish after getting shot? How does that work?

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I'm guessing Magnifi had something to do with it? Though I don't know why he would, I don't think he'd be evil enough to hide the fact she's alive just so he can blackmail Valant and Zak... maybe he feels neither Valant or Zak deserve to see her again?

I dunno why she'd end up in Borginia though.. maybe the Gramaryes were originally from there?

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Hmm possibly a more interesting question:

What if he knew Apollo was her son?
He'd been around before Zak joined so maybe he knew the father and....son.

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From the end of the game, before the credits, Thalassa said that after losing her memory, she left the troupe, her family. So I was wondering if she left on her own free will. Seems strange to me...

About if Valant knew... I don't know. It doesn't seem like he does, but he could be hiding it. I hope to see some of these questions answered in the next game. I had an idea a while ago about a case where it is connected to a past case, kind of like DL-6 and SL-9. This present case will be connected to the murder of Apollo's father, and we get to unravel everything that happened. Though, 23 or so years is a long time ago...

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I had the impression that Thalassa gave up Apollo before she returned to the Troupe (or not long after). Because when Phoenix was talking to Zak, Zak said "oh that's why! I took this photograph of Thalassa before she left us. When she returned...she wore only one bracelet." So Zak doesn't seem to know about Apollo, and I'm guessing neither does Valant.. They probably knew the father, since he was a guest performer.

Now it makes me wonder why Thalassa gave up Apollo instead of bringing him back to the Troupe...

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