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Tonight, something happened. Something that seemed to me a perfect symbol of the track the gaming industry seems to be taking. (And yes, I'm aware there was a similar topic a moment ago that vanished, but I'm hoping this rant has a little more substance to it and is worth discussion, profanity aside.)

Spoiler: Revised version - less profanity, more coherency
The problems I'm about to discuss via example are all around the videogame industry these days, but the company I'm going to focus on - courtesy of tonight's disappointing announcement - is Capcom.

Last year, I was really, genuinely excited about what Capcom had coming down the pipe. They'd been pretty solid in recent years - bringing us games like Ace Attorney and Dead Rising - and their lineup seemed pretty good. AAI2 and PLvsAA were on the way for us Ace Attorney fans, Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D was a great opportunity for Capcom to flesh out the addicting minigame, word was that Monster Hunter would be seeing a bigger presence in the States, and between the AAA Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and the smaller Mega Man Legends 3, Capcom seemed to be treating its longtime fans well. Mega Man fans also had the somewhat more experimental Mega Man Universe to look forward to.

But things went downhill fast. AAI2, as we all know, most likely will never see English release. Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney has been silent on all fronts - collaborative project or no, a little disconcerting when you consider the fates of two of the abovementioned games that had radio silence, which I'll get to in a minute. The Mercenaries 3D turned out to be largely a disappointment - there was barely any new content, and the inability to delete save data was frustrating to players and damaging to the secondhand market. Sales have apparently not met Capcom's expectations. Monster Hunter, meanwhile, seemed to vanish - despite relatively strong sales of Monster Hunter Tri for the Wii, Capcom seemed to have no interest in bringing over newer games. They did, however, see fit to announce an HD remake of MHP3, apparently only for Japan. Marvel vs. Capcom 3, while a great game, had DLC on the disc, locked away to be sold later. Poor form.

And as for the Blue Bomber... he's had a bad year. Mega Man Universe was met with somewhat tepid reaction, and the project, rather than be salvaged, was scrapped entirely to some disappointment. But the real trouble - the one that inspired this post - was the ultimate fate of Mega Man Legends 3. MML3 was the fans' game - the diehard fans of the series had spent over a decade clamoring for it, and its announcement was met with enthusiasm. With the "Devroom", Capcom sought to involve fans even more, promising transparency in the project. This was largely delivered on, including the warnings that the game may not be greenlit. Fans were promised a "Prototype" version whose sales would help determine if the game got the green light or not.

The Prototype never materialized. And suddenly, Capcom pulled the plug on the project for "not meeting certain criteria."

It was a kick in a nuts to the fanbase. Cancelling a beloved game for no real reason is not something that shows much respect for your fanbase, any way you cut it - especially when you consider what is coming out.

Because in the meantime, Capcom's newly-announced and -released titles had a disturbing trend. Street Fighter IV got an additional two expansions, Arcade Edition and Super Street Fighter IV 3D. Word is Marvel vs. Capcom 3 will get the same treatment. Dead Rising 2 is getting a rerelease featuring Frank rather than Chuck. Meanwhile, Devil May Cry will be outsourced to a Western company and has been met with less than enthusiastic responses. Resident Evil likewise is heading west, to become a squad-based shooter.

All of these new releases are designed to make as much money while providing as little financial risk to Capcom as possible. The fighter games and Dead Rising are, rather than whole new titles, old titles with a few new characters thrown in and released at close-to-retail price. DmC is an attempt at drawing in a new fanbase for the series, while Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City is a straight-up shooter, rather than the horror or horror-action games the series is known for. They're all "safe" bets. And they're all incredibly boring and in some cases disrespectful to their original series.

This method of running a videogame company is stifling to innovation and disrespectful to fans. While no official word has ever come out, people tend to claim that Capcom has very high sales expectations for its titles - already people are speculating the low sales of Mercenaries 3D, one of Capcom's biggest series, were what scared Capcom to pull the plug on Legends 3. It's a vicious strategy, and unfortunately an effective one. You won't lose many fans re-releasing a beloved game, and if you can get a piece of the Call of Duty pie, you're well on your way to a very nice bottom line. But as a result, smaller games - and their fanbases - get thrown away. There are exceptions - Ghost Trick came out in January to positive reviews but I can't imagine any sort of good sales - but this is largely the strategy Capcom seems keen on taking now. And it's distressingly common among the industry as a whole, and really makes companies seem like they couldn't care less about their fans.


Spoiler: (NERDRAGE ALERT) The original rant - "In which Bolt drops his composure and rants for a little while about the videogame industry"
I have a few words I'd like to say. And a lot of them are profane.

So here we go.

First, let me get this out of the way.

Fuck you, Capcom. In my book if someone tells you to fuck off, you be the better man and don't return the favor. They do it again and again, you're within your rights to volley back. So right back at you Capcom, fuck off.

I am honestly astounded at the 180 you have done in the past nine months. It's incredible. Back in October, I thought you had it all covered. A new Ace Attorney game. A collaboration with Level-5. Marvel vs. Capcom, a series I never had much interest in but knew many people loved, was getting a big-budget new entry. Resident Evil's Mercenaries was getting a standalone game, a chance to really flesh it out and have some fun. The buzz was that Monster Hunter 3 Portable was on its way to the states. You'd even announced Mega Man Legends 3, complete with total transparency to the fans.

Let's check in on those projects, shall we?

-We all know the state of Ace Attorney Investigations 2. Chris Svensson says he'd like to get it brought over somehow, but I doubt he'll have much luck.
-We've heard neither hide nor hair of Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney since its announcement. There's two scenarios here: if you're involved in the development, why haven't you mentioned anything about it? AA's got its tenth anniversary soon. Let the fans see a bit like AAI2 - you're not known for a good track record when it comes to keeping games quiet these days. And if you're not involved and it's all Level-5's perogative, then I'd like to congratulate you on farming out another one of your beloved franchises. Oh, don't get me wrong, Level-5's great, but I remember you saying "Phoenix Wright is something handled very delicately in Capcom." Delicate enough to punt over to another company, I guess. (Okay, turns out that at least circa January it was considered a co-development. Still, guys, a little more word on the project would be reassuring, given how MML3 and MMU turned out.)
-Marvel vs. Capcom 3. As I said, I'm not a guy who played this series. And nobody can deny that you certainly hit the fanservice mark. It's just too bad you don't have things like spectator mode, from what I've heard. And on-disc, day one DLC? Poor form.
-The Mercenaries 3D was a joke. One new character, no new stages, no new weapons, a short campaign, and no option to delete save data - which rather coincidentally sinks used value for the game. People who want to set their own high scores have to buy a new copy. Funny coincidence, that.
-Monster Hunter apparently isn't good enough for the West. Who says that? Oh, right, you guys do. Not the best-selling MH3 for Wii, you guys. You know what else you guys said? That America doesn't care about Mega Man. You sure know your fans well, Capcom.
-Well enough to cancel Legends 3 without a speck of explanation besides a vague statement that it didn't meet certain goals. Very nice, very transparent. A totally suiting end for a game whose development was based around fan input. What the fuck were you thinking? Of all the games to cancel without reason, don't cancel the fucking fan outreach one like that! Jesus Christ, if you thought the game was bad or something like that, tell us that! If you thought it wouldn't sell enough, tell us that! If you thought it wouldn't sell enough because Mercenaries 3D didn't, get your head out of your ass, and then tell us that.

And in the meantime you've handed over Devil May Cry and Resident Evil to western developers in the hopes of grabbing a bit of the Activision pie. Bravo, guys, bravo. Boy, I can't wait for Left 4 Dead: Raccoon City edition. Or that new Marvel vs. Capcom 3! I hear it'll have six new characters at least. It's a shame YouTube exists, or I might actually have a reason to be interested if Phoenix really does make it in.

And the sad part about all this? You could see it coming. The games industry today is goddamned brutal for big companies. I almost (but still can) can't blame Capcom for some of the decisions they've made. The cost of making a AAA game today is big - but the returns have been bigger. Have you seen how much Call of Duty makes each year? Capcom has. Bioware has. Everyone has. And now the big companies are saying "why bother with the little projects when the big or derivative ones can make us money instead?"

But you know what the worst of it is? It's not bad business practice. Not in the least. DLC is a gold mine. Games like the Mercenaries 3D or Super Street Fighter 3D are cheap to make and have good profit potential (just be careful not to make it too obvious you put no effort into it - missed the mark a bit with Mercs 3D, my friends!) And small titles are more affected by piracy than larger ones (AAI1 had 90k downloads at one big rom site alone before they stopped allowing DS downloads several months ago. The game itself sold at most 80k if Chris Svensson is to be believed.)

But just once. Just once, Capcom, or Bioware, or any big company out there - just once, don't be so goddamned corporate. Have a little soul. Win a little fan goodwill. Megaman Legends had fans crying for a new game for an entire decade without rest. Do you really think your average Call of Duty fan really would care that much if they stopped coming out?

I realize I've got "entitled fan" written all over this rant, I realize that there's probably dozens of examples of cutthroat videogame business practices from past decades but right now I'm frustrated with Capcom, and right now I'm saying Capcom, you're everything wrong with the videogame industry today.

I need a different hobby.


...Okay, I needed that out of my system, and I apologize for being a bit over-the-top. I don't often rant, but I like to have some fun when I do.

In all seriousness, I'm not that happy with how videogames are going these days. I understand that it's a tough business, but a lot of modern business practices are just eroding my enjoyment of the medium. (And as I mentioned above, I'm sure there were some equally cutthroat moves in previous years that I wasn't aware of due to being younger - but it honestly seems worse to me now.) But you get things like Bioware saying that Mass Effect 3 - the third game in a trilogy based around importing your saves from previous games - is the 'perfect place for new players to jump in', or that they 'want Call of Duty's audience' (albeit that one was for Dragon Age II - though see how that turned out.) It seems like it's either indie or AAA these days, no in-between.

If possible after all that, can we have a civil discussion about this topic? I might have seemed a bit 'the-sky-is-falling' there, but I would like to know if my views are shared.

EDIT: Rewrote the rant to be coherent, left the original up for posterity.
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I don't have much to say on Megaman, but as for Layton Vs Phoenix...

It's a colab project, thus there's going to be more red tape then normal. And big GS press reveals traditionally happen in the fall in Japan. It's not time yet for them to show their hand.
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That's quite true. The point I was trying to make was that Capcom's recent in-house titles that have "gone silent" have turned up dead. And if they don't have a hand in the development, as a few people have said (apparently Level-5 is doing pretty much everything bar the story by Takumi) then it's a little disheartening that Capcom has chosen to hand over the next game for one of its big series to a completely different company. The story might be a crossover, but the development isn't. I'm not saying PLvsAA is dead by any means, just that the implications of such silence aren't that great.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong and see that the game is a true collaboration like they said it would be back when it was announced.
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This, on top of all the mess with Operation Rainfall, is just crap on crap.

I wasn't personally invested in any of the relevant games, but it really is a disturbing trend. I can only imagine how the fans of Mega Man Legends must feel, after waiting a decade for a third installment and then finally getting one, to hear Capcom turn right around and say, "Well actually, never mind. Not happening."

The fans, they just keep getting screwed...
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The way Capcom's been going lately, I'd be GLAD if Level 5 handled the whole damn Layton vs. Wright game by themselves.

I've been a Capcom fan for longer than I imagine a lot of people on this forum have even been alive, so take that into account when I say I won't give Capcom one more cent of my money until they start making some decisions that don't involve giving the middle finger to their own fanbase.
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Frankly, even when the information was new, it was near impossible to learn who was doing what with the game. I've read nowhere that Level-5 is doing the development solo. The Wikipedia article is based upon conjecture based upon the trailer, which is obviously Level-5's handiwork.

We've seen nothing of the game engine. And, even if we did, Level-5 is the only team that has made a 3DS game. So we've got nothing to compare with Takumi's team if they did.

All we've seen are Level-5's beautiful trailer, and a promotion website. And that's all marketing. Not development. The AA series have never been good at either of those, so best to defer to the experts.

I will say however in my view, the art direction for the characters Layton vs Phoenix smells more like the GS series then the Layton series.
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I could have sworn that somewhere or other I heard it mentioned that Level-5 would be handling the majority of development - but perhaps I'm mistaken. I am quite sure that Chris Svensson mentioned Level-5 would be handling publishing, at least. Let me see if I can dig that up.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proved wrong, and honestly wouldn't mind if Level-5 was handling development. The only shoddy part about it would be the idea of Capcom choosing to 'license out' another franchise rather than develop it in-house, something that seems to be happening more and more these days.


Mmph, chomp, nom, this crow is delicious. Seems that though Level-5 is publishing, they still say it's a collaboration with Capcom. So they're not licensing the franchise out, which is good. It's just a touch concerning how silent they've been, given how Capcom's other recent games under radio silence turned out.
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The problem with the Video-Game Industry nowadays is the fact that it's been Capitalized. By far. Other than that, the Industry is divided in two type of games; Japanese and Westerns. Japanese developers are usually the ones behind RPGs and Action-RPGs (or anything besides First-Person-Shooters), while the Westerns are FPS. Between the two, the Western Industry is the most money making. Western Industry consists of having a low budget, developing a FPS with little to no story and release it for $50+. Meanwhile, in the Japanese Industry, it takes a big budget to develop a game to carefully plan it and balance it and release it for $30-$50+. Influential figures in the Industry such as Keiji Inafune has expressed that the Japanese Industry may succumb to the Western Industry (one of the reasons why he quit Capcom).

Taking in mind Christian Svensson's expressions of not localizing GK2 because expenses would be more than revenue, it looks like the Japanese Industry are more inclined into spending less to gain more. I mean, a game where you have a very short campaign that consists on more shooting than story and a massive online multiplayer option with many addons to buy sales more than a standalone and carefully planned game. Just look at Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy 012, it has TONS of addons (last time I checked, in order to buy all of them you needed $15+ multiply that by the thousands of players that would buy them and you get aprox. $15,000+).

Also, it's worth to note that Final Fantasy Type-0 for the PSP is still in the talks as to whether or not it should be localized (but be wary that Square Enix is in a financial crisis and that most of their PSP games have sold poorly recently and two of their most biggest titles are one of the most pirated copies). Another thing to add is that (according to rumors), Xenoblade Chronicles has been completely localized, the Last Story is in the process of localization, and Pandora's Tower is still in the talks. And according to some official reports, it seems that Nintendo of America had filed a copyright to "the Last Story".
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This, on top of all the mess with Operation Rainfall, is just crap on crap.

I wasn't personally invested in any of the relevant games, but it really is a disturbing trend. I can only imagine how the fans of Mega Man Legends must feel, after waiting a decade for a third installment and then finally getting one, to hear Capcom turn right around and say, "Well actually, never mind. Not happening."

The fans, they just keep getting screwed...

... Especially when the game the fans actually helped with got canned.

Legends fans were actually pre-panicking because the game was taken off the front page of Capcom's site some few days earlier. That set the fanbase on edge already, and after today's news, the whole fanbase is practically in an uproar.

What really sucks is that this game, that supposedly didn't meet certain requirements, was started as a team effort between the Dev team and the fans. To cancel Legends 3 with a shitastic excuse like not meeting requirements, and not even release the Prototype Version for any reason, has set Capcom into a bad position with the fans. Especially with Comic Con so close.

In short, THE FANBASE IS PISSED. REALLY PISSED.

At this point, nearly all faith I've had in Capcom is lost. It's made me think whether or not I should stay with any Capcom fandoms I'm currently in, just to avoid disappointment more, but I've yet to see a deep loss with the AA series, so let's hope Capcom fixes the majority of their shit muy pronto.
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This is all like gunpowder:

>Capcom fans are surprised
>Megaman fans are shocked
>Megaman Legends fans are in an uproar

MML fans were waiting ten whole years for a sequel. They get it and they even get to help develop it! But then they cancel it... I think describing this as a jab in the stomach isn't enough...
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This is all like gunpowder:

>Capcom fans are surprised
>Megaman fans are shocked
>Megaman Legends fans are in an uproar

MML fans were waiting ten whole years for a sequel. They get it and they even get to help develop it! But then they cancel it... I think describing this as a jab in the stomach isn't enough...

Try "slow and agonizing death by arsenic/some shit that's painful when ingested".
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Rewrote the OP now that I've had a chance to let off steam. Left the original rant up as well, for entertainment purposes.
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Kingdom Hearts 3D Dream. Drop. Distance. share the same fate as PFVs.PW, but even though KH is a bigger franchise than PF and AA together, what matters is that Professor Layton and Ace Attorney are two big series in Japan, so PFVs.PW is DEFINITELY getting released (which should boost popularity for both series). Also, last I heard, the ones developing the game are Level 5 while Capcom is co-developing it (Shu Takumi writing the plot).

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Mega Man Universe was met with somewhat tepid reaction, and the project, rather than be salvaged

Personally, with the way MMU was going, it seemed more of another classic Megaman game than a MMO sort of game.

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The Prototype never materialized.

Prototype Version was more than finished, they even announced it partnering with the release of the eShop.

Also, your post goes to prove how Capcom is more focused on their bigger franchises and spend less money in budget.
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This is all like gunpowder:

>Capcom fans are surprised
>Megaman fans are shocked
>Megaman Legends fans are in an uproar

MML fans were waiting ten whole years for a sequel. They get it and they even get to help develop it! But then they cancel it... I think describing this as a jab in the stomach isn't enough...

Try "slow and agonizing death by arsenic/some shit that's painful when ingested".

personally I feel like I am just now realizing that ive been poisoned slowly from day to day with tablespoons of some slow acting poison in my food given by capcom and unfortunately I cannot do anything about it as I lay on the ground yelling in agonizing pain...
so yea...im pretty pissed...I actually wouldnt be so mad if atleast would have given the prototype a chance...like they said they would.
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Subaru Saito Hikari wrote:
Scent wrote:
This is all like gunpowder:

>Capcom fans are surprised
>Megaman fans are shocked
>Megaman Legends fans are in an uproar

MML fans were waiting ten whole years for a sequel. They get it and they even get to help develop it! But then they cancel it... I think describing this as a jab in the stomach isn't enough...

Try "slow and agonizing death by arsenic/some shit that's painful when ingested".

personally I feel like I am just now realizing that ive been poisoned slowly from day to day with tablespoons of some slow acting poison in my food given by capcom and unfortunately I cannot do anything about it as I lay on the ground yelling in agonizing pain...
so yea...im pretty pissed...I actually wouldnt be so mad if atleast would have given the prototype a chance...like they said they would.

I'm sure there's a lot more that feel that way, Cold, but quite frankly, all hate towards Capcom at this point is with justified reason. And I'm sure that they're sitting there at Crapcom HQ, wondering "What the fo'shiz did we just do?".

Personally, I won't be surprised if someone makes an attempt on a Capcom exec's life because of this. >:D
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Bolt, I'm thinking about putting this on the Capcom-Unity AAI2 forum, to show how a nice individual such as yourself can be angered so much by Capcom's decisions. Can I do so? :phoenix:
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Like I said in the PM, feel free to, since I've long since forgotten my account details over there. But it's probably better to post the calmer version, since the original, while much more fun to read and write, isn't going to be as effective in showing that fans actually deserve to be listened to.
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It annoys me that fans didn't even have the chance to show their support for Legends 3 through a release of the prototype version; if it bombed then, it would be understandable, but it feels like they didn't even give the fans a chance with this sudden cancellation. :grey:
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Even though I'm not a Mega Man fan, this is just bullshit. Utter bullshit. I have nothing more to say on the matter. Goddammit, Capcom. :edgeworth:

Also, I meant to say, Bolt. I was intending to put up the cleaner version. I did so. :maya:
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While I don't agree that the gaming industry as a whole has gone down the shitter, I do agree that Capcom has. Even though he's not working there anymore, I think the execs are taking Keiji Inafune's idea of 'westernization' to a retardant level. And by retardant, I mean hindering or impeding.

Here's an idea, Capcom: If you want to succeed in business, try giving your consumers what they want instead of dangling carrots in their faces and quickly snatching them away.
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I think what you're complaining about, Bolt, applies to Capcom, and not the videogame industry as a whole, like GP said in the post before this one.

That being said, Capcom has devalued itself to an olympic pool filled with disgusting fat men swimming in their own excrement.

I do believe that right now, and until I'm proven wrong, MegaMan is a dead franchise. MegaMan, Capcom's god-damn mascot. I would have mourned it years ago, but the StarForce games weren't that bad, and we had MM9 and 10 quite recently. Then came the MMUniverse announcement. Then came MML3's announcement, and MegaMan was finally returning to its glory days. I didn't really care about MMU, but hearing about its cancellation was still surprising, though not that worrying, since it was a very experimental game, absolutely new to MegaMan. But Legends 3 wasn't. It was a sequel. A very expected one at that. But Capcom doesn't care. Cancelled without even the Prototype Version being released. For f*ck's sake, the Prototype Version's entire f*cking point was testing the waters for a yay or nay on greenlighting the full version. And not even that.

I completely share your feelings, Bolt. I really am very pissed off at Capcom right now. And I don't even care about MvC3 currently, I don't own any system that can play it, and seeing Phoenix would be awesome, but there's always YouTube for that, as Bolt said.

Seriously, Capcom. It's getting ridiculous. No, sorry- It got ridiculous. It currently is ridiculous indeed, and very much so. You've become the shell of the gaming giant you used to be. When Inafune said Japanese-developed games were every day worse than Western ones, he didn't mean this. He meant Japanese games had to be better, not that they should go straight-out Western-developed. Now that I think about it, is all this Inafune's fault, or did he merely escape a sinking ship? I'm inclined to the latter.

Shifting to the winning side is the easy way, yes, the cheap way. But it costs you your fans. But then again, why should a business-driven company care about fans? Microsoft certainly doesn't, and look at the profits they're turning.

Also, the original version of the rant > all others.

Hmph, I wound up writing my very own rant. Sorry for that.
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I agree that Capcom is probably pushing it a little more than other developers are. But I still maintain it feels like there's a growing tendency in the industry to shy away from new or original titles in favor of holding on to established franchises and easy-to-develop installments. Look at Wikipedia's list of notable 2011 releases - a very large majority of them are established IPs. And if a new IP does take off, it's going to get worked over to try and renew that success as often as possible - Assassin's Creed was a brilliant, unique game, but if you'd asked me if it was going to become a yearly series, I'd have said "no way". But here we are, coming up on the third yearly installment.
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Although Inafune's ideas of Westernization are what's causing this, he would've handled the Westernizing better.
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Although Inafune's ideas of Westernization are what's causing this, he would've handled the Westernizing better.


What Capcom's doing now isn't Westernization, it's Activisation.
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Although Inafune's ideas of Westernization are what's causing this, he would've handled the Westernizing better.


What Capcom's doing now isn't Westernization, it's Activisation.

pretty much this...

cant even feel a tad excited about anything from them anymore...even phoenix getting a spot in the umvc roster feels hollow...which i should say making the game is also a retarded thing on there part...you know...the screwing over of the fans who originally bought the game...as they usually seem to do.
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I hate all the taunting Capcom does, even if it's not 100% intentional.

From what I recall, it started with Arthur (Ghosts & Goblins). He made a cameo in Dead Rising 2 and in MvC3, possibly hinting at a new G&G game. Yeah, right. Proto Man was in DR2, as well, but that just seemed like a reference to Mega Man being in the first one.

Sencondly, there was, that's right, Ace Attorney Investigations 2! Awesome! Miles is back to kick some crime! And it's the top selling game on all platforms for the release week in Japan! Wait, you're not going to localize it!? Wh-what!? Just because the first one didn't sell more copies than Okamiden? But no! That's not fair! The Ace Attorney fans want this game!! WHY CAPCOM WHY!

Next, of course, there was Mega Man Universe. While many Mega-fans didn't seem overly enthusiastic for this game (probably because of the visuals), personally, I was psyched. A brand-new platforming Mega Man title? With character creation and stage building to boot! The music in the trailers rocked, too. 9 and 10 were both great, but you can't keep the nostalgia factor going forever. Anyway, we all saw how ended up.

And then! Mega Man Legends 3! Volnutt will finally get off the moon! The saga will continue! The entire fanbase is able to contribute to the game's developmental progress! This is amazing! Wait, what? You're taking the link off your main page? Well, okay... It looks like you just want to leave up the games with concrete release dates. Wait, what's that? You're cancelling it? BUT NO WAIT WHY? "The fans weren't involved enough"? Bull. Shit. Capcom, you're officially dead to me.

I should have stopped caring by now, but wait! There's more. What do we have here? New content for Marvel vs. Capcom 3? Well, I guess that seems neat--wait what? You're not releasing it as DLC, but as a full disk, forcing people who've already got MvC3 to buy it again if they want the content? Looks like your money-grubbing ways aren't going to change any time soon. Wait a second, who's tha--PHOENIX WRIGHT? Capcom, you asshole. "No AAI2, but here! Have Phoenix Wright in your MvC!" Thanks! I really wanted that kick in the nuts! Well, I say you can piss off! Who ever heard of a lawyer in a fighting game, anyway.
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Ya know, even if unintentionally, I think they should un-cancel MML3... if only because it shutting down generated a ton more free publicity then perhaps a whole marketing campaign.
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Before someone suggests that Capcom may very well be financially screwed; they're not, they're at better days (even better than a much bigger corporation such as Square Enix). They're just too damn straight when it comes to their financial guidelines (stricter than a soldier with a stick up their behinies).

This statement includes the American branch of theirs.
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"No AAI2, but here! Have Phoenix Wright in your MvC!" Thanks! I really wanted that kick in the nuts! Well, I say you can piss off! Who ever heard of a lawyer in a fighting game, anyway.


I think putting Phoenix in UMvC3 is to get people into AA, and if they see more buys, we get AAI2.
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"No AAI2, but here! Have Phoenix Wright in your MvC!" Thanks! I really wanted that kick in the nuts! Well, I say you can piss off! Who ever heard of a lawyer in a fighting game, anyway.


I think putting Phoenix in UMvC3 is to get people into AA, and if they see more buys, we get AAI2.

Meaning they'll associate Phoenix with Ace Attorney and since it's Ace Attorney Investigations, they'll be like; MUST BUY!!! It's what they did with Solid Snake and SSBB.
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Well, colour me surprised if it does end up getting a release over here.
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Personally, I'm not a fan of fighting game nor MvC, but with Phoenix in it, it has finally motivated me to buy it (besides all the other characters ((and I hope Nick has a story in Story Mode))).
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I think putting Phoenix in UMvC3 is to get people into AA, and if they see more buys, we get AAI2.

Meaning they'll associate Phoenix with Ace Attorney and since it's Ace Attorney Investigations, they'll be like; MUST BUY!!! It's what they did with Solid Snake and SSBB.[/quote]

...Nah, it's called doing Hideo Kojima a personal favor.

Unlike Konami (which he left to go independent after MGS3), Hideo loves Nintendo and reportedly begged for Snake to be included in Brawl. Of course by then it'd been a few years since the MGS Remake was released on the Gamecube (which actually generated sales for the original PS1 version as well as MGS2 and MGS3 believe it or not xD).

Of course MGS3 is being ported to the 3DS later this year (which I will be buying). I wouldn't be surprised if they ported MGS2 as well down the road since we're at the point people are starting to ask for it, the MGS Collection cotaining the first 3 MGS games has already been released (PS2) to attract new fans on the Sony side and Nintendo already got the MGS1 remake as I mentioned before of course. Will MGS4 come to the Wii or Wii U? Considering many people said The Twin Snakes would be the only MGS game that would be released on a Nintendo System, I say anything's possible. Between MGS2 and MGS4 though, MGS2 seems more realistic at this point xD

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Okay, it's late April, and we're bit shy of 2-3 months until the one year anniversary of Bolt's big rant. And... I'm seeing two interesting articles at GoNintendo.

First, Megaman Legends 3

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Look'n interesting. Assuming this is true. And, I'm assuming it is because I'm sure a C&D or a redaction would've happened by now for lying like that. It could be that Capcom doesn't know how profitable MML3 could be, and therefore the cancelation was pure conjecture. But CD sales, that's something tangible. If something so not arbitrary goes above a particular level, I could see Capcom making good on that. (Maybe something for an E3 surprise?)




And it looks like Operation Rainfall is getting some hard traction

Honestly, I don't know why I'm following either story. Neither game is in a genre I'm particularly fond of. But it's cool seeing people stick with it.
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Awwww yeah, revisiting the nerdrage. Time to laugh at myself.

In all seriousness, this new thing about the album smells a little fishy to me. While that singer seems to have some connections to Capcom, what with the subject of the album and all, I'm not sure I buy that she'd have enough sway to pull something like this off. Also, the fact that this came out of a meeting with some members of the Japanese pro-MML3 movement and not directly from her suggests that this could very well be a passing statement that's been blown out of proportion (eg. "if my album sells well, people at Capcom might pay attention" becomes "she said that if her album sells well, her contacts in Capcom will put pressure on to release the prototype").

Still, as you said, the fact this hasn't been contradicted yet suggests it's at least somewhat true, though of course it could just be that the singer/Capcom Japan haven't heard about this yet.
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Of course, if Capcom Japan released the Prototype, then the number of people getting it should tell how popular it is (in Japan, at least). Supposedly that was the original intent of the Prototype, but (apparently) Devroom activity was more important for some reason.

Releasing MML3 Prototype wouldn't mean they would also make the final game, of course. They would have to bring the people who were working on MML3 back together, or find substitutes, and doing so would cost a good amount of overhead. The Prototype would have to get good sales and a lot of fan feedback to convince Capcom to do that.

Which, of course, is the point of "100,000 Strong for Bringing Back Mega Man Legends 3" (they have connections in Japan, and I'm sure English fans would have something to do as well).
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Awwww yeah, revisiting the nerdrage. Time to laugh at myself.

In all seriousness, this new thing about the album smells a little fishy to me. While that singer seems to have some connections to Capcom, what with the subject of the album and all, I'm not sure I buy that she'd have enough sway to pull something like this off. Also, the fact that this came out of a meeting with some members of the Japanese pro-MML3 movement and not directly from her suggests that this could very well be a passing statement that's been blown out of proportion (eg. "if my album sells well, people at Capcom might pay attention" becomes "she said that if her album sells well, her contacts in Capcom will put pressure on to release the prototype").

Still, as you said, the fact this hasn't been contradicted yet suggests it's at least somewhat true, though of course it could just be that the singer/Capcom Japan haven't heard about this yet.


Very true, and I only saw the story on a Sunday, today's Monday, perhaps HQ will have something to say today if that's the case. The MML3 group does have an agenda, it's too easy to see what you want to see. Then there's the language barrier which adds 'reasonable interpretation' on top.

Then there's the possibility that Capcom knows it's wrong, but sees it as a good way to milk CD sales, and then never have the intent of holding up their alleged end of the bargain.

But I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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Well, that was indirect but quick.

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I addressed this in another thread on Ask Capcom (one of these threads is redundant), but to reiterate: I don't know why Ms. Morishita thinks her album sales will allow the Prototype to be released, but I don't believe there's any official partnership or agreement to back up her remarks. Sorry to say, it kind of just sounds like an artist trying to cash in =\

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Well, that was indirect but quick.

Gregman - Capcom USA (Lost's Second Replacement) wrote:
I addressed this in another thread on Ask Capcom (one of these threads is redundant), but to reiterate: I don't know why Ms. Morishita thinks her album sales will allow the Prototype to be released, but I don't believe there's any official partnership or agreement to back up her remarks. Sorry to say, it kind of just sounds like an artist trying to cash in =\


Well best to put the idea down quickly if it is a scam at least.

Not sure how good MML3's soundtrack would be anyway.
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Oh yeah, "100,000 Strong for Bringing Back Mega Man Legends 3" hit 100k likes yesterday, and are at 102k today.
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