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My point is that everyone believed that it was Yanni who did it. Even after the case, they believed that Yanni was temporarily insane. Therefore, they believed that Misty had th right person. It doesn't make much sense.
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...Now I'm wondering why on earth Hammond insisted on an insanity plea :/
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In the afterlife of the spirits of the Phoenix Wright world, there is no supreme knowledge on what happens in the world. In the second case of AA, Mia Fey could possess Maya's body though her powers were undeveloped. If the truth was really meant to be known, or people wanted to come back from the grave(Like Darke), the Feys would probably not be where they are now, but in MUCH higher power.
With that said, Mia did not know where Maya was in the last case of JFA, and still doesn't know where their mother Misty is after she died. Now, to the case of Gregory Edgeworth, he probably DID believe that Yanni shot him, or was covering up for Miles. Maybe he actually thought Yanni shot him. We can't be absolutely sure, BUT, what we do know is that he DIDN't say who actually did shoot him.
In short, the spirits voice what they thought happen. The spirits were human, and humans make mistakes. I propose that the spirits only voice with what they think, not the absolute truth, because they really don't know what actually happens.
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DarzieP wrote:
There's not pointing tagging when you're title clearly says "spoilers". I don't actually believe that Misty channelled Greg, just held a meeting with the dead as Mia did to find out who screwed over her mother. Misty was blamed because she screwed up because she reported the wrong name.
I don't think that's accurate. The Fey's don't just "commune with the dead" they have to summon someone specifically by name. Misty summoned Gregory, and he said "Yanni shot me." So when Yanni was declared innocent, Misty was called a fraud--that she had faked being possessed.
I think maybe the situation was not that Yanni was declared "guilty but not at fault" which is what usually happens with an insanity plea, but maybe, "he was too crazy to have killed anyone." Maybe...? I always thought that was kind of weird, too.
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- Police have no clear leads on who shot Gregory Edgeworth, suggesting that even though it was Yogi's gun and he was locked in the room with him, maybe there's a lack of gunpowder residue on Yogi's fingers or clothes or some other evidence.
- Police, desperate, secretly confer with a spirit medium. Misty Fey channels Mr. Edgeworth, who names Yogi as the culprit, either out of ignorance or to protect his son.
- Police have to make a case against SOMEONE, as the murder happened right under their noses, and they have an image to maintain! Yogi's their best and only lead, so they prosecute him.
- Hammond only cares about his record and reputation, and so ignores the shaky evidence, and gets Yogi to fake a mental disorder so as to obtain a not-guilty verdict. If he pleads the fifth amendment, he looks guilty as hell, so he "forgets" the events of that evening, and the prosecution has absolutely nothing to go on.
- The plan works, and Yogi is declared both non guilty and mentally unstable. Sadly, Polly Jenkins would rather die than spend the rest of her life tending for a vegetable, and the terms of the verdict render Yanni Yogi to be utterly unable to reveal the truth to anyone (this may have been at Hammond's urging, for if the truth about Yogi were to come out, his career would be over).
- Grossberg somehow learns of this, and succumbs to temptation as he sells the truth out to Redd White, and it is made public knowledge that the police had to consult some hokey psychic to find evidence in a case that by all appearances should have been open and shut, and even THEN managed to botch it. The police shift as much blame on the spirit medium as they can as damage control, and she is shamed into disappearing, and the police are out for the blood of the person who spilled the beans on the operation.
- Meanwhile, Yanni Yogi stews in his lakeside shack for 15 years, a sole parrot for company, his life in shambles. Until one day, a mysterious letter arrives explaining how he can have his revenge...
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SilverZephyr wrote:
...Now I'm wondering why on earth Hammond insisted on an insanity plea :/
I'm assuming it was circumstansial evidence:
- Gregory was shot with Yanni's gun.
- I THINK that Gregory was shot from too far for it to be suicide, but I'm not sure.
- Other than young Edgeworth, Yanni was the only one at the scene (let's ignore Karma for now)
- Edgeworth witnessed Yanni and Gregory fighting, surely he must have told the police.
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Iskander wrote:
Hmm! Wait, I think I've got it. Here's what I think:
- Police have no clear leads on who shot Gregory Edgeworth, suggesting that even though it was Yogi's gun and he was locked in the room with him, maybe there's a lack of gunpowder residue on Yogi's fingers or clothes or some other evidence.
- Police, desperate, secretly confer with a spirit medium. Misty Fey channels Mr. Edgeworth, who names Yogi as the culprit, either out of ignorance or to protect his son.
- Police have to make a case against SOMEONE, as the murder happened right under their noses, and they have an image to maintain! Yogi's their best and only lead, so they prosecute him.
- Hammond only cares about his record and reputation, and so ignores the shaky evidence, and gets Yogi to fake a mental disorder so as to obtain a not-guilty verdict. If he pleads the fifth amendment, he looks guilty as hell, so he "forgets" the events of that evening, and the prosecution has absolutely nothing to go on.
- The plan works, and Yogi is declared both non guilty and mentally unstable. Sadly, Polly Jenkins would rather die than spend the rest of her life tending for a vegetable, and the terms of the verdict render Yanni Yogi to be utterly unable to reveal the truth to anyone (this may have been at Hammond's urging, for if the truth about Yogi were to come out, his career would be over).
- Grossberg somehow learns of this, and succumbs to temptation as he sells the truth out to Redd White, and it is made public knowledge that the police had to consult some hokey psychic to find evidence in a case that by all appearances should have been open and shut, and even THEN managed to botch it. The police shift as much blame on the spirit medium as they can as damage control, and she is shamed into disappearing, and the police are out for the blood of the person who spilled the beans on the operation.
- Meanwhile, Yanni Yogi stews in his lakeside shack for 15 years, a sole parrot for company, his life in shambles. Until one day, a mysterious letter arrives explaining how he can have his revenge...
- Police have no clear leads on who shot Gregory Edgeworth, suggesting that even though it was Yogi's gun and he was locked in the room with him, maybe there's a lack of gunpowder residue on Yogi's fingers or clothes or some other evidence.
- Police, desperate, secretly confer with a spirit medium. Misty Fey channels Mr. Edgeworth, who names Yogi as the culprit, either out of ignorance or to protect his son.
- Police have to make a case against SOMEONE, as the murder happened right under their noses, and they have an image to maintain! Yogi's their best and only lead, so they prosecute him.
- Hammond only cares about his record and reputation, and so ignores the shaky evidence, and gets Yogi to fake a mental disorder so as to obtain a not-guilty verdict. If he pleads the fifth amendment, he looks guilty as hell, so he "forgets" the events of that evening, and the prosecution has absolutely nothing to go on.
- The plan works, and Yogi is declared both non guilty and mentally unstable. Sadly, Polly Jenkins would rather die than spend the rest of her life tending for a vegetable, and the terms of the verdict render Yanni Yogi to be utterly unable to reveal the truth to anyone (this may have been at Hammond's urging, for if the truth about Yogi were to come out, his career would be over).
- Grossberg somehow learns of this, and succumbs to temptation as he sells the truth out to Redd White, and it is made public knowledge that the police had to consult some hokey psychic to find evidence in a case that by all appearances should have been open and shut, and even THEN managed to botch it. The police shift as much blame on the spirit medium as they can as damage control, and she is shamed into disappearing, and the police are out for the blood of the person who spilled the beans on the operation.
- Meanwhile, Yanni Yogi stews in his lakeside shack for 15 years, a sole parrot for company, his life in shambles. Until one day, a mysterious letter arrives explaining how he can have his revenge...
Hmm... I think I see what you're getting at... let me try to sum this up...
So first Yanni is declared not guilty by insanity and then the public who probably really thought Yanni was the real killer (even if insane) thought the opposite when they found out that the police were so desperate that they resorted to using a spirit medium? Is that what you're trying to say? That would make sense to me
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Gregory didn't knew who shot him. In the elevator, the're was a lack of oxygen remember? Gregory Edgeworth passed his last moments inconcious, he didn't knew who shot him. Since for him, it's impossible for his son to be the shooter, he designed Yogi as the killer, he didn't do that to protect Miles, for him, it was logic. (if I remember well, he wasn't dead on the shot but the lack of oxygen didn't help I think...)
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(if I remember well, he wasn't dead on the shot but the lack of oxygen didn't help I think...)
I thought he was shot through the heart? That seems like an instant kill... or am I just misunderstanding you?
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and 
are arguing, so in an attempt to quiet them, 
throws the gun at them. So at this time, we can assume that they are still conscious. then falls unconscious, but not before hearing a scream... 
's scream. is hella pissed, and looks down just as the lights turn on to see the pistol. He then shoots .My point is, if they were arguing only moments before, how did they not see
in the elevator door? fires the gun, immediatly after which is hit and screams, and unless he stands there for a while (which he didnt, or his blood would most likely have dripped onto the floor) the elevator door opens and the lights turn on. he picks up the gun, and shoots .All these events happened right after each other! How did none of them notice
in the doorway?
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My point is, if they were arguing only moments before, how did they not see in the elevator door? fires the gun, immediatly after which is hit and screams, and unless he stands there for a while (which he didnt, or his blood would most likely have dripped onto the floor) the elevator door opens and the lights turn on. he picks up the gun, and shoots .
All these events happened right after each other! How did none of them notice in the doorway?
in the elevator door? fires the gun, immediatly after which is hit and screams, and unless he stands there for a while (which he didnt, or his blood would most likely have dripped onto the floor) the elevator door opens and the lights turn on. he picks up the gun, and shoots .All these events happened right after each other! How did none of them notice
in the doorway?The reason they were stuck in the first place was the fact that the power went out in the building due to the earthquake. It seems the window in the door isn't a clear window, but a frosted one. Regardless, with the lights out it had to have been pitch dark in the elevator, and nearly as dark in the hallway outside the elevator. Coupled with the sense of claustrophobia and suffocation (real or imagined from panic), everyone in the elevator was likely far more focused on what was IN the elevator rather than out of it.
Now, someone could easily argue there had to be emergency lights on some kind of backup generator. It's possible, but in a serious enough earthquake (and from what the game says, the earthquake prior to DL-6 was serious enough to destroy a portion of the building... so I'm going to hazard it was at least 6.5 on the Richter Scale, possibly higher), emergency lights seldom survive. Either they get buried, broken, twisted around, or something could have happened to their power supply, plunging the elevator into near-total darkness.
I'm going to guess that everyone in that elevator actually passed out at almost the exact same time. The lack of oxygen coupled with the shock of hearing a gun go off in close-quarters quite possibly shocked Gregory and Yanni into fainting. The human body can only take so much shock, and 5 hours trapped in an elevator, on top of a major earthquake (and probably many, many aftershocks), topped off with oxygen depravation and then an unexpected gunshot?
Heck, they might even have heard Karma's scream, but been too confused from the lack of air to properly parse the information. In a state of borderline/outright hysteria, it's entirely possible the sound was mistaken for something they'd gotten used to hearing in the past 5 hours- the groaning and rumbling of concrete and steel and the partly-destroyed building and debris settle in subsequent quakes. (Very distinctive sound, I could probably wax quite wordy from my own earthquake experiences =p)
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Firefury Amahira wrote:
Brandon Strong wrote:
My point is, if they were arguing only moments before, how did they not see in the elevator door? fires the gun, immediatly after which is hit and screams, and unless he stands there for a while (which he didnt, or his blood would most likely have dripped onto the floor) the elevator door opens and the lights turn on. he picks up the gun, and shoots .
All these events happened right after each other! How did none of them notice in the doorway?
in the elevator door? fires the gun, immediatly after which is hit and screams, and unless he stands there for a while (which he didnt, or his blood would most likely have dripped onto the floor) the elevator door opens and the lights turn on. he picks up the gun, and shoots .All these events happened right after each other! How did none of them notice
in the doorway?The reason they were stuck in the first place was the fact that the power went out in the building due to the earthquake. It seems the window in the door isn't a clear window, but a frosted one. Regardless, with the lights out it had to have been pitch dark in the elevator, and nearly as dark in the hallway outside the elevator. Coupled with the sense of claustrophobia and suffocation (real or imagined from panic), everyone in the elevator was likely far more focused on what was IN the elevator rather than out of it.
Now, someone could easily argue there had to be emergency lights on some kind of backup generator. It's possible, but in a serious enough earthquake (and from what the game says, the earthquake prior to DL-6 was serious enough to destroy a portion of the building... so I'm going to hazard it was at least 6.5 on the Richter Scale, possibly higher), emergency lights seldom survive. Either they get buried, broken, twisted around, or something could have happened to their power supply, plunging the elevator into near-total darkness.
I'm going to guess that everyone in that elevator actually passed out at almost the exact same time. The lack of oxygen coupled with the shock of hearing a gun go off in close-quarters quite possibly shocked Gregory and Yanni into fainting. The human body can only take so much shock, and 5 hours trapped in an elevator, on top of a major earthquake (and probably many, many aftershocks), topped off with oxygen depravation and then an unexpected gunshot?
Heck, they might even have heard Karma's scream, but been too confused from the lack of air to properly parse the information. In a state of borderline/outright hysteria, it's entirely possible the sound was mistaken for something they'd gotten used to hearing in the past 5 hours- the groaning and rumbling of concrete and steel and the partly-destroyed building and debris settle in subsequent quakes. (Very distinctive sound, I could probably wax quite wordy from my own earthquake experiences =p)
So the shock of hearing the gun go off drove their oxygen-deprived minds into unconsciousness all at once?
...hmm, I can buy that. That would explain it all.
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Consider also that firing a gun would burn up a lot of oxygen if the elevator car had such a restricted air flow.
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Iskander wrote:
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Consider also that firing a gun would burn up a lot of oxygen if the elevator car had such a restricted air flow.
Consider also that firing a gun would burn up a lot of oxygen if the elevator car had such a restricted air flow.
Not sure that it would actually use that much oxygen, the burning powder to launch the bullet wouldn't have burned long. Then again, after 5 hours the supply was low, so it certainly wouldn't have helped matters any.
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