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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:10 pm

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http://www.joystiq.com/2012/04/27/major ... d-digital/

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Nintendo is aiming to significantly expand its digital business. In August, New Super Mario Bros. 2 for the Nintendo 3DS system will launch both as a packaged game at retail stores and as a digital download in the Nintendo eShop. The majority of Nintendo-published Nintendo 3DS games will have the same dual-distribution strategy. Likewise, the majority of Nintendo-published Wii U games will be available both as packaged products and as digital downloads starting on launch day.

These downloadable games will also be available for purchase at participating retail stores and on retailers' websites. Our customers can visit retail outlets or their online shopping sites, look for the products they want and pay for the product there. The retailers will then provide shoppers with a 16-digit code that can be exchanged in the Nintendo eShop for the game. This will give shoppers more options to find and purchase their favorite games. - Nintendo statement

Suddenly, that stock 2 Gig memory card is looking rather skinny on my 3DS.

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:43 pm

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Finally.

Seven years too late, Ninty.

Does we even do these things anymore?

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:14 pm

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You mean I WON'T have to import my games?

YES!!
(now I just gotta hope it'll accept my American credit card...)

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:45 pm

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:12 am

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Bad Player wrote:

You mean I WON'T have to import my games?

YES!!
(now I just gotta hope it'll accept my American credit card...)

Yeah, if you can purchase digital releases from another region, it'll probably push me into picking up a Japanese 3DS, especially if third parties also are able to distribute their games this way. Day one GSvsPL/GS5 (assuming it's on the 3DS, of course) could actually happen for me.

(Well, more likely not, but a guy can dream.)

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:24 am

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Don't expect the impossible, the Nintendo e-Shop is, and will remain region-locked no matter what, so you'd have to import a foreign 3DS if you want to buy games from another region's e-Shop. But at least, you could get the game immediately, on Day-One, without having to wait days before to copy arrives :)

And let's hope third-party publishers jumps on the bandwagon too. It'd be very cool if some of them actually decided to release games on another region's e-Shop if they didn't want to risk it by going retail... YES, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, Virtue's Last Reward... and AAI2! :yuusaku:

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:36 am

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L~A wrote:

Don't expect the impossible, the Nintendo e-Shop is, and will remain region-locked no matter what, so you'd have to import a foreign 3DS if you want to buy games from another region's e-Shop. But at least, you could get the game immediately, on Day-One, without having to wait days before to copy arrives :)

And let's hope third-party publishers jumps on the bandwagon too. It'd be very cool if some of them actually decided to release games on another region's e-Shop if they didn't want to risk it by going retail... YES, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, Virtue's Last Reward... and AAI2! :yuusaku:

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:38 am

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Sequel to the sleeper hit 999. The game has an absurdly large topic in the police station here.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:42 am

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Wooster wrote:

Sequel to the sleeper hit 999. The game has an absurdly large topic in the police station here.

Ah yes I seen that been meaning to pick it up sometime.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:47 am

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Yup, that's the game. So far, it's only been confirmed for the USA, but for Europe things are as uncertain as they can be. Actually, we didn't even get the first game (999), but that wasn't much of a problem with the DS not being region-locked...
Come to think of it, an e-Shop releases seems the best course of action for a European release of VLR. Less risky, less expensive (they could just go with the English text, that'd be better than nothing).

Personally, I'm quite excited about full-games getting an e-Shop release. Let's just hope we get some interesting prices... but since Nintendo doesn't want retailers to just come and go all 'baaaawwww baaaaawwww baaaaaawwww' on them, retail titles will be, at best, as expensive than in 'brick and mortar' shops, if not more expensive *sigh*

Wish Nintendo would do like Steam, and have regular and rather aggressive sales. But that won't be happening... :sadshoe:

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:54 pm

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Just did a little research for the US. I can't say anything about Europe or the world in general, but according to the 2010 Speed Test Results (I couldn't find anything more recent, but I assume 2 year old data is accurate enough) the national average download speed is… 3 megabits per second.

Assuming 3DS games can be 2 Gigs, which is larger then Kid Icarus, but the same size as the standard issue SD card. Game downloads could take…

33 seconds at 480 Mbps
90 Minutes at 3 Mbps (US Average)
3 Hours at 1.4 Mbps (My current Cable connection, which actually ties with or slightly slower than my CDMA cellphone speeds =/)
4 Days at Dialup

Something to consider about Downloadable vs Physical. With downloadable, I can take the game wherever I have my 3DS. On the other hand, I can't share the game with other players. I do tend to trade games with a few friends after we're done playing with them. It becomes cheaper in the long run for us.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:55 pm

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Bolt Storm wrote:

Bad Player wrote:

You mean I WON'T have to import my games?

YES!!
(now I just gotta hope it'll accept my American credit card...)

Yeah, if you can purchase digital releases from another region, it'll probably push me into picking up a Japanese 3DS, especially if third parties also are able to distribute their games this way. Day one GSvsPL/GS5 (assuming it's on the 3DS, of course) could actually happen for me.

(Well, more likely not, but a guy can dream.)

I also doubt that the e-shop will be region-free...
(But really, why should it be? If the game is already made and everything, it won't cost you anything to put it for download on your e-shop, Nintendo ~_~)

But I'm planning to buy a Japanese 3DS, so I'll get the Japanese e-shop, so I meant I could just download it from there instead of importing the cartridges. I hope it can download while in sleep mode... that'd make things a bit easier...

So now my concern is that my American credit card won't work for the Japanese 3ds ^^' If nothing else, hopefully I can just buy tons of Nintendo points cards online or something...

EDIT: Seems that you have to use credit cards from your region in the 3ds shop ~_~ Pre-paid cards it is...

EDIT2: Now found another guy saying you can use your American card... hm...

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:19 pm

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Sounds good. But I guess that means no more box covers and box art?

Ah well. Cutting down on plastic, I suppose.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:20 pm

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Well, the e-Shop is already region-locked, and probably will stay that way for a looong time.
And why it's region-locked? Various reasons Nintendo will proobably never tell us. Besides, all games published on the e-Shop are now rated by the PEGI (equivalent of the ESRB in Europe), and sometimes, the reason why some games arrives on the European e-Shop later is because the PEGI took longer to rate the game.

And yes, you can download e-Shop titles while in sleep mode. You get the option just before the download's started.

As for the e-Shop card, I believe you can't buy them online (they have to be activated at the store you buy them). Besides, they're also region-locked...

Yup, region-locking sucks balls.

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EDIT2: Now found another guy saying you can use your American card... hm...

Maybe it depends on whether your CC can be used abroad?

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But I guess that means no more box covers and box art?

Errr... nope? :udgy:

Game's still released as retail, so they won't stop making box arts any time soon. :garyuu:

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:19 pm

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Wow. Never thought I'd see the day. This is a really good idea I think. I'll probably end up buying all my games this way seeing as I'm running out of space to put my many DS games.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:20 pm

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Looks like you need to buy a bigger memory card, Wooster.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:30 pm

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Yep. But I'm not going to rush this. On New Egg I'm seeing 64 Gig SD cards, and the highest the 3DS can support is 32 Gigs. I'm gonna coast as long as I can on the stock SD card before making the jump. Prices go down, technology changes. In either case, I win.

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:49 pm

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I applaud Nintendo to finally get on with digital releases, but I'm not interested in digitally acquiring a title~

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Tue May 01, 2012 2:41 am

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I'll probably buy physical copies of games I really like, and digital copies for the rest.
I haven't used my SD card since 2008 or something. If I can find it, it will probably show up rusty and unusable. Either way, 1 gigabyte is hardly useful.

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Tue May 01, 2012 11:59 am

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Should be no surprise, but GoNintendo is reporting that Nintendo is working with third parties to get them in on the downloadable goodies.

I wonder what the gap will be between third parties and first parties in terms of respective firsts in DLC.

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Tue May 01, 2012 5:41 pm

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Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like they got demos for third parties up and running pretty fast, so hopefully they'll do the same for full releases.

...But seriously, depending on the spread of this I might have to spring for a Japanese 3DS. Times like this I'm really glad I landed my current job, because it lets me say things like that and then feel only very financially irresponsible, instead of extraordinarily financially irresponsible.

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Thu May 03, 2012 11:58 am

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Well, actually, the very first demos on the e-Shop were for... third-party games.
Actually, there's only one demo for a Nintendo game on the e-Shop, and it's Nintendogs : /

I'm pretty sure third-party developers and publishers will have no trouble getting their retails games on the e-Shop. It's quite clear Nintendo's past the 'let's bother third-party devs. like hell with shitty restrictions', and is more willing to grant them a lot more freedom than in the past.

Of course, third-party will have to have a digital version of the game ready, though I doubt Nintendo will actually force them to release their games both digitally and at retail (at the same time).

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Thu May 03, 2012 10:04 pm

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So, if the Wii U isn't going to have a hard drive, how does Nintendo expect people to buy digital titles for it?

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Fri May 04, 2012 12:01 am

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I don't think the Wii U won't have a hard drive. The DSi didn't ship with an SD card and it's digital shop was a flop. Fast forward to the 3DS, which does ship with an SD card, and magically the 3DS's eShop is a marked improvement. Huh. I wonder why that is…

'Sides. The Wii had a 512 meg internal storage. It launched in late 2006. In 2006, a 512 SD card would cost $20. Today, you can get an 8 gig SD card for the same cost at launch for the Wii's internal memory (if it were an SD card. It isn't. The costs are different but the prices should scale similarly).

Admittedly, 8 gigs isn't a lot when you consider Brawl was close to 2 gigs. Perhaps Nintendo has a cloud solution? That would be a very comfortable medium. Though, 2 gigs is a lot to download on not-so-fast connections.

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Fri May 04, 2012 9:17 am

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Well, nothing's been confirmed so far, but from what I gathered from the various rumours, the Wii U will have some sort of internal storage which will be expandable using external storage (I'm thinking of external HDD/SDD).
I don't think Nintendo can possibly launch its console without some sort of internal storage, that'd be suicidie, even more so than they're fully embracing digital downloads. It's almost guaranteed there'll be several e-Shop title ready at launch, even GameCube Virtual Console titles (hopefully!), so without internal storage, Nintendo will do us another DsiWare... :lana:

I believe they might bundle the console with a 32Gb SD Card, or 16Gb at the very least. That, or some internal storage.

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Perhaps Nintendo has a cloud solution? That would be a very comfortable medium.

What do you mean by 'Cloud Solution'? The e-Shop's already a service on the Cloud (I believe Acer's the one providing it).
Don't you mean 'Streaming'? Like Onlive? Where you don't physically have the game on the console, you're streaming it from some Cloud?
If yes, I highly doubt that. That kind of service won't be sustainable till fibre has replaced xDSL technology as the standard type of connection (which isn't the case anywhere in the world, except Japan and S.Korea).

By the way, I wonder if we'll be able to install the retail games on our internal storage (like on Xbox 360). Greatly reduces loading times.

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Wed May 30, 2012 3:04 am

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Thank goodness. I really don't want to go through another retail midnight release of Super Smash Bros.

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Wed May 30, 2012 6:23 am

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Mmm... You might still want to. Think Nintendo's servers could handle everyone at once downloading 2 gigs of Brawl? It might be quicker on launch day to go to the store

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Wed May 30, 2012 2:05 pm

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Thank goodness. I really don't want to go through another retail midnight release of Super Smash Bros.

Hmmm I always assumed there would be something magical and special about attending a midnight release which would justify such events other than just getting it a couple hours early.

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Wed May 30, 2012 2:17 pm

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I stayed up till midnight for Brawl and stayed overnight at Best Buy to pick up a Wii when it was still constrained.

Of the two, I'd say Brawl was the least favorite of mine. By the time I got home, all I could think about was sleep.

Where as, staying at Best Buy, because there was no reservation system I had to camp out with my brother when the shop closed at 10:00pm. The wait was a lot longer and I got to chat with the other campers. One lady in particular wasn't a gamer at all, but was staying overnight in the cold for a surprise Christmas present for her fiancé. Another was one of those jerks who camps out and then resells on eBay, but he told funny stories about his fellow campers who were camping out days in advance, were jerks to everyone, and all in all made life miserable for the other customers. ... But when it came time to buy the systems the clerks admired that there was only a handful in stock. But rather then turn everyone away, this guy offered to buy everyone coffee and Dounuts. Naturally, a lot of people left anyways, but the jerks accepted as did some fellow line waiters. He just neglected to mention he added laxatives to the jerks' drinks. Skipping ahead, the jerks left the line and didn't get their systems.

Granted, your mileage will vary, but I still feel like midnight launches are nothing special.

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Wed May 30, 2012 3:23 pm

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Well, my midnight release was disappointing mostly because there were two GameStops located in the shopping center I pre-ordered from (one of them has since been sold, but the reason there were two to begin with was because one used to be a FuncoLand and the other was a competing EBGames until they both got bought out), and I just happened to pick the one with some midnight tournament going on or something filled with tons of kids while the other one was like totally empty and would've been more pleasant.

I agree midnight releases aren't really that special, but I just have a tendency to want to purchase and play a game I've been anxiously waiting for the second it's released. :yuusaku:

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Wed May 30, 2012 6:00 pm

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Wooster wrote:

I stayed up till midnight for Brawl and stayed overnight at Best Buy to pick up a Wii when it was still constrained.

Of the two, I'd say Brawl was the least favorite of mine. By the time I got home, all I could think about was sleep.

Where as, staying at Best Buy, because there was no reservation system I had to camp out with my brother when the shop closed at 10:00pm. The wait was a lot longer and I got to chat with the other campers. One lady in particular wasn't a gamer at all, but was staying overnight in the cold for a surprise Christmas present for her fiancé. Another was one of those jerks who camps out and then resells on eBay, but he told funny stories about his fellow campers who were camping out days in advance, were jerks to everyone, and all in all made life miserable for the other customers. ... But when it came time to buy the systems the clerks admired that there was only a handful in stock. But rather then turn everyone away, this guy offered to buy everyone coffee and Dounuts. Naturally, a lot of people left anyways, but the jerks accepted as did some fellow line waiters. He just neglected to mention he added laxatives to the jerks' drinks. Skipping ahead, the jerks left the line and didn't get their systems.

Granted, your mileage will vary, but I still feel like midnight launches are nothing special.

Y'see to me that final statement sounds contradictory. The camping, the camaraderie of people gathered together for one purpose, sharing jokes and stories, the generosity and cunning of the clerks to ensure those who truly wanted it got what they deserved around Christmas time.

All does sound pretty special and cool to me.

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Wed May 30, 2012 6:16 pm

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I should've rephrased it. The camping was for a Wii to be released at 7:00am or so. Brawl was for Midnight. I really enjoyed camping out for the Wii. But it wasn't a midnight release.

With Brawl the time was too short to get to know your fellow line waiters. Hence I've got no affiliation for midnight releases. But I will if I feel I need to. (With Brawl there was guaranteed to be shortages while there wasn't much incentive to stay up til Midnight, not being able to have the game for a week plus seemed like there wasn't much choice)

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Wed May 30, 2012 6:32 pm

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No way would they under-manufacture a Super Smash Bros. game, I think Nintendo knows how popular it is. That sounds more like a rumor.

Plus, I remember when I reserved it, I didn't have to get it at midnight - I just chose too. You could just as easily reserve it and get it that morning or afternoon instead.

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Wed May 30, 2012 6:34 pm

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It's not a rumor because it happened! They literally did not have enough copies of Brawl for all who stayed at my local shop past midnight. And that was just those who preordered! I remember it was quite a few days before demand was satiated.

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Wed May 30, 2012 6:39 pm

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Hmmm, well I don't remember that happening here. It seems kind of silly they would accept more pre-orders than they would have copies ordered.

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Wed May 30, 2012 7:27 pm

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Most customers don't all arrive on the same day. And even then, it's an issue of Nintendo not providing enough copies for the area. I guess Brawl is more popular in New England then Virginia?

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Wed May 30, 2012 7:30 pm

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Perhaps. My grandmother lives in Connecticut, and I remember she had trouble finding a Wii because of shortages there that weren't as prevalent here.

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I plan on getting a 32GB SD card once I start working again. Mostly for pictures and video though. I like having a physical copy of my Handheld gaems if I can.

Wooster wrote:

Most customers don't all arrive on the same day. And even then, it's an issue of Nintendo not providing enough copies for the area. I guess Brawl is more popular in New England then Virginia?

Indeed. It's been at Anime Boston every year since its release and has the largest turnout XD

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