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Release or not to release? WHY NOT? GK2/AAvsPL/GS5
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I mean, GS5 was announced shortly after GK2 and yet it has already been confirmed for a western launch, and Layton vs Ace attorney is set to be given a confirmation to a western launch. it begs the question, WHY NOT GK2?
some suggest its because of lack in fan interest-
Then why are so many western fans begging for its release, with online petitions raking in tens of thousands of support signatures?
some suggest its because its too dark-
The same director who worked on GK2 is now working on the dark GS5 which deals with terrorism (of sorts) so it seems silly to use this as an argument.
some suggest its because CAPCOM dont care-
Then why give us every single other title in the AA universe series?
All these reasons might have some validity as to why, but i want to know what you guys think about the choice to localize both of the newer releases, but not GK2.
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1. Poor sales of the first AAI.
2. GK2 was released on the DS, a month before the 3DS launched.
3. Investigation is a spin-off of AA, and considered less important than the main games.
4. Level-5 is responsible for the localization of PLvsAA, not Capcom.
It's still a shame.
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Wooster wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself, though I should point out that the sales slumped in Europe, due to only being released in English.
That can't be the reason. I'm in germany and the majority of the games I buy (before selling them and importing the Japanese version *Coughcough*) may have the manual and the case written all in german .... but when I play the game, it's entirely in english.
So why would Edgeworth in English-Only fail so much, if other games are also english? (Personally I don't like his english voice, so.... uh....)
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CatMuto wrote:
Wooster wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself, though I should point out that the sales slumped in Europe, due to only being released in English.
That can't be the reason. I'm in germany and the majority of the games I buy (before selling them and importing the Japanese version *Coughcough*) may have the manual and the case written all in german .... but when I play the game, it's entirely in english.
So why would Edgeworth in English-Only fail so much, if other games are also english? (Personally I don't like his english voice, so.... uh....)
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1. Some Europeans just don't have a great comprehension of English, which is definitely a problem with visual novels.
2. It's possible some of the French fans have problems with the English names of the characters; "Miles Edgeworth" instead of "Benjamin Hunter".
3. There was no official release in the Benelux because of bs reasons.
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I am Austrian, yes. And I speak German. Not English. It's not my motherlanguage, so why would I bother with buying the English version when I only can understand half of it? It would be so much better if it was on German.
But no, they had to go and act like dumbasses. With releasing the English-version of this very game.
So, I really couldn't care less about translating and shit.
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Sixth Pegasus wrote:
1. Some Europeans just don't have a great comprehension of English, which is definitely a problem with visual novels.
English is amongst the world languages (the other being Spanish and Chinese) and English is the first foreign language taught in any german school, so that cannot count as a proper reason. From what I remember when I was 11 and entered Middle School (Gymnasium at first), we did have the choice between learning English or Latin first.
However, such an option was not given when I switched to the other two Middle Schools in the German System (Hauptschule and Realschule, in that order). Granted, I did learn French but that was due to my choosing the French Branch in school.
(Also, WTF, Benjamin? He does not look like a Benjamin person)
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It's really a shame when the creators of this game pull a Japanese- and also an English-version together [..]
Yes, I rather liked that Gyakuten Saiban for the DS had the Japanese and the English version available. I would've just preferred it more, had the English version given me the option to have people yell in Japanese at me. (Horray for subconcious learning!) But that's a different thing...
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Sixth Pegasus wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Wooster wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself, though I should point out that the sales slumped in Europe, due to only being released in English.
That can't be the reason. I'm in germany and the majority of the games I buy (before selling them and importing the Japanese version *Coughcough*) may have the manual and the case written all in german .... but when I play the game, it's entirely in english.
So why would Edgeworth in English-Only fail so much, if other games are also english? (Personally I don't like his english voice, so.... uh....)
C-A
1. Some Europeans just don't have a great comprehension of English, which is definitely a problem with visual novels.
2. It's possible some of the French fans have problems with the English names of the characters; "Miles Edgeworth" instead of "Benjamin Hunter".
3. There was no official release in the Benelux because of bs reasons.
Oh god why no release in the Netherlands?!? When I read about Phoenix Wright online I was super stoked and raced to the mall to get it, only to find nothing. The guy at the gameshop said: A lawyer game? Never heard of that we do have something similar though...
That was Trauma Center for the DS
and I bought it.
Nevertheless, an English version would do the trick for me. If the GS series ever were translated in Dutch I would die a little on the inside I think. Dutch is such an ugly language in my opinion.
I did play a German version of GS once though, as part of a German test ( In which you had to read 3 books and talk about them. I could add the game to this list of things I could talk about).
With German being my 3rd language the game was a bit hard to comprehend, but since I played it in English before ( 2 times) I got through it pretty easily.
It does feel weird to hear: EINSPRUCH instead of OBJECTION though, but you get used to it and love it eventually.
I got a 7.5 (b- ?) for the test in case you were wondering.
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Even though reducing the available languages may very well undermine the sales, which is probably the case with AAI2.
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I think a mix of reasons caused GK2 to not be translated. I suspect the NDS AA games would be hard to port to 3DS, so that could be something.
Ironically, I personally found AAI2 to be one of my favourites, and some won't get a chance to play it. Thank goodness for the translation effort!
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That said, one of the real reasons I think led to why they did not choose to localize it was the threat of piracy. It happens with the Ace Attorney series so much and whether that's due to visual novels being easy to pirate or the fact that it's so hard to find all the old games (which makes piracy almost a necessity) is none of their concern. They probably didn't feel like it would be worth it to take all the time and effort only to not even get paid for it. Sure some people would buy it but not enough to make up for the costs. It's pretty sad...
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I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
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Yeah, I think all the reasons are dumb, but it's what makes them money that matters to them in the long run.
I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
How is it possible not to know that piracy is illigal? I mean pretty much everyone (including me) is guilty of pirating music but with all the campaigns against piracy and news coverage about it I find it hard to believe you thought that something worth 30 to 60 €/$/whatever is provided legally through the internet. Being 12 should mean you are aware of these things.
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Sjibbey wrote:
Mirii-chan wrote:
Yeah, I think all the reasons are dumb, but it's what makes them money that matters to them in the long run.
I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
How is it possible not to know that piracy is illigal? I mean pretty much everyone (including me) is guilty of pirating music but with all the campaigns against piracy and news coverage about it I find it hard to believe you thought that something worth 30 to 60 €/$/whatever is provided legally through the internet. Being 12 should mean you are aware of these things.
Ease up there buddy we've all made mistakes.
Better to be an accidental pirate than some real ones, I know when I was 12 there was some downloading going on in my house (not of games) and I didn't know it was illegal at the time. Granted that was before piracy was such a big thing but still let him alone.
Regardless of the support for the English versions I'm hearing here I still think the lack of translations would hit pretty hard. Besides people here on this forum are biased because they all speak reasonably good English, good enough to participate in an English dominant forum. Therefore they aren't entirely representative of the European population. English may be mandatory in some schools in Europe (and I feel for them I do) but doesn't mean everyone comes out fluent enough to play a visual novel. So yeah I think the Language barrier may have resulted in a sales hit.
Or at least as Sjibbey said it might be a reason for retailers not to stock it. They see a game doesn't have a translation to their language, they think it's unlikely to sell, they don't stock it.
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Pierre wrote:
Sjibbey wrote:
Mirii-chan wrote:
Yeah, I think all the reasons are dumb, but it's what makes them money that matters to them in the long run.
I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
I thought roms aren't being sold anymore, so how are people pirating them.
When I was twelve and I first got my ds, I downloaded free games and I had no clue they were illegal. Now I feel terrible. It just makes me feel worse that AAI2 might not be translated because of piracy.
How is it possible not to know that piracy is illigal? I mean pretty much everyone (including me) is guilty of pirating music but with all the campaigns against piracy and news coverage about it I find it hard to believe you thought that something worth 30 to 60 €/$/whatever is provided legally through the internet. Being 12 should mean you are aware of these things.
Ease up there buddy we've all made mistakes.
Better to be an accidental pirate than some real ones, I know when I was 12 there was some downloading going on in my house (not of games) and I didn't know it was illegal at the time. Granted that was before piracy was such a big thing but still let him alone.
Regardless of the support for the English versions I'm hearing here I still think the lack of translations would hit pretty hard. Besides people here on this forum are biased because they all speak reasonably good English, good enough to participate in an English dominant forum. Therefore they aren't entirely representative of the European population. English may be mandatory in some schools in Europe (and I feel for them I do) but doesn't mean everyone comes out fluent enough to play a visual novel. So yeah I think the Language barrier may have resulted in a sales hit.
Or at least as Sjibbey said it might be a reason for retailers not to stock it. They see a game doesn't have a translation to their language, they think it's unlikely to sell, they don't stock it.
Maybe I jumped the gun a bit and I apologize for that.
As for retail within the Netherlands (I can't speak for any other country within Europe) the Ace Attorney community is either really small and hidden or just simply not present. I looked for Ace Attorney within retail store's around the neighboorhoud but it yielded no results. No advertisment comes through here and probably 99 out of 100 people have no clue about the Ace Attorney franchise.
So I don't see a translation coming anytime soon (nor do I feel the need for one) and I don't even see the game coming through anytime soon. At least I had to get my copies from a small specialty import store hidden away in a nearby city.
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I can hardly afford video games but I will NEVER pirate again. I really am sorry.
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