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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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The quote that comes with Pearl's picture, "I... still have weak lungs, you see."



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I read it as "I'm... still very young." I don't think the "hai" is literally "lungs" in this case. Given the context, I think "Jyakuhaimono" (若輩者)is simply someone who is young as opposed to someone who is "weak lunged" (弱肺). It would help if there was kanji here but...

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SeanHK wrote:
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The quote that comes with Pearl's picture, "I... still have weak lungs, you see."



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I read it as "I'm... still very young." I don't think the "hai" is literally "lungs" in this case. Given the context, I think "Jyakuhaimono" (若輩者)is simply someone who is young as opposed to someone who is "weak lunged" (弱肺). It would help if there was kanji here but...

That caught me off. Thanks. It sounded so strange.
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im excited to see how the 2 save files play out and also pretty awesome that you can
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play Athena in case 3 and not just as your partner but i wonder what wright is gonna be doing at that time
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Just thought I'd mention that the official Gyakuten Saiban 5 site has been update with the new information.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/gyakutensaiban/5/index.html

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These animations are gold. I hope some new smilies will be made.
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So can anyone translate these screenshots? I'm guessing they're talking about the victim (is Masayo Michiba the confirmed name?) so I'm kind of curious to see what they're saying.

Also, the facts that she died by being shot by an arrow and Rei Shizuya being an expert at archery and carrying a bow around are definitely not related in any way. Nope, no relation whatsoever.
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So can anyone translate these screenshots? I'm guessing they're talking about the victim (is Masayo Michiba the confirmed name?) so I'm kind of curious to see what they're saying.

Also, the facts that she died by being shot by an arrow and Rei Shizuya being an expert at archery and carrying a bow around are definitely not related in any way. Nope, no relation whatsoever.


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Top left: [Apollo] "It's the same. The body's circumstance. It's the exact same as the mock trial!"

Top right: [Apollo] "The arrow as the murder weapon, the way there's no blood 'around' the body. It's all exactly the same!"

Bottom left: [Juni] "Yes. The one in charge of the class... was the victim, Michiba(?)-sensei."

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I'm worried about the fact that case 3 is a whole case where a Athena is the playable character. I mean the title of the game is Dual Destines. I had thought that had meant to mean that Apollo and Phoenix were the only playable characters :eh?:
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Well, I guess the title is now supposed to mean something else now.

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I can't really find the screenshot from the website of where it says the victim's full name. Does anyone know where it is?

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The memo option is certainly interesting. And like always, I'm intrigued on what he's saying.


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Mimi Wright wrote:
I'm worried about the fact that case 3 is a whole case where a Athena is the playable character. I mean the title of the game is Dual Destines. I had thought that had meant to mean that Apollo and Phoenix were the only playable characters :eh?:

I don't see the problem. Dual Destinies can mean a lot of things.
Besides, this could give Athena development.
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Reglare wrote:
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I'm worried about the fact that case 3 is a whole case where a Athena is the playable character. I mean the title of the game is Dual Destines. I had thought that had meant to mean that Apollo and Phoenix were the only playable characters :eh?:

I don't see the problem. Dual Destinies can mean a lot of things.
Besides, this could give Athena development.


This could be true but usually the playable character doesn't really develop as much as they are usually suppose to be more of an observer for the player. If anything I thing this might allow for more development of Apollo and Phoenix (at least for that case at any rate).
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I can't really find the screenshot from the website of where it says the victim's full name. Does anyone know where it is?


The first 4 characters of the bottom row.

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Ah, I see. Thanks.

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Interesting that the victim dies the exact same way described as the fake victim in the mock trial. Makes me wonder who the prosecutor and defense attorney of the mock trial are as they would certainly know the COD of the fake victim.
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Sooooo... Another themed murder? Probably the criminal wants people to think events happened in order X -> Y -> Z when they happened Y -> X -> Z or something.

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AnsweringNOW wrote:
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Interesting that the victim dies the exact same way described as the fake victim in the mock trial. Makes me wonder who the prosecutor and defense attorney of the mock trial are as they would certainly know the COD of the fake victim.


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According to the site, Juni is studying to be a "judge", Chishio (the kid w/the headband) is in the prosecutor class, and Rei (the one w/the glasses and blue uniform) is in the attorney class. I'm guessing these 3 played their respective roles in the mock trial. I guess, anyways.

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So Juniper, Atsui and Shizuya were part of the mock trial. Interesting...

And I wasn't expecting Masayo Michiba (I don't think it's Michiba since I can't find any readings of 葉 that gives "ba" unless it's the wrong character or that the reading only appears when placed next to another character. Then again, I don't really know the hiragana to be certain about what the name is) to be a teacher. I was thinking more of a student. Anyway, I wonder who wrote the article about Juniper and the victim being the only ones in charge of the event.

And I'm sure that Apollo is playable during some part of the investigation as he Perceives Atsume Uwasa for information.
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And I wasn't expecting Masayo Michiha (I don't think it's Michiba since I can't find any readings of 葉 that gives "ba" unless it's the wrong character) to be a teacher.


"Ba" is one way of reading 葉 depending on what comes right before it. "三つ葉" is a type of plant that is pronounced "mitsuba". Another example is 大葉 (pronounced "Ōba") which is the perilla/shiso leaf. "Michiha" from a pronunciation perspective sounds quite awkward in Japanese compared to "Michiba".
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Thank you for telling me. To be honest, I'm not sure what the pun in her name is supposed to be. Maybe it has something to do with her appearance or something. Ah, I'll just wait for the eventual Siliconera article about this.

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And I've noticed that something that looks like a book is placed on her hair in the picture. I highly doubt she placed it herself so I'm guessing the killer put it there for some unknown reason. And her wrists look awfully weird.
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Thank you for telling me. To be honest, I'm not sure what the pun in her name is supposed to be. Maybe it has something to do with her appearance or something.


To be SUPER literal...

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道=road 葉=leaf ... 正=true 世=(this is a really tough kanji to translate on its own, but it's VERY "roughly")everything.

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So we can pretty much assume Phoenix defends for the last 2 cases (or maybe half of the last), assuming there are 5 cases. I just cant seem to shake the feeling that there still will be an obligatory Ace Attorney flashback case, specifically to Simon's trial where he got convicted. In that case, there really has to be 6 cases, since its all but guaranteed that Phoenix wont be defending for that, and naming the game after a guy who only defends in 2 cases just doesnt seem probable. Who knows, maybe they'll just go the route of referencing the case like for DL-6. I dont know, it just doesnt feel like a complete Ace Attorney game without a flashback case (yeah I know JFA didnt have one either, nevertheless.)

AHHH! I just cant wait for this game to be released. We better get a "I just want to know one thing" thread for us non Japaneese speakers, going as soon as this game is released in Japan.
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Thank you for telling me. To be honest, I'm not sure what the pun in her name is supposed to be. Maybe it has something to do with her appearance or something.


To be SUPER literal...

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道=road 葉=leaf ... 正=true 世=(this is a really tough kanji to translate on its own, but it's VERY "roughly")everything.

If we REALLY want to get specific, I find it likely that her surname is based on the term michishiba, 道芝 (guidance), so mixed with masa, 正, we get "true/exact guidance", as expected of a good teacher.

And for the record, chishio = hot-bloodedness, atsui = hot/passionate, rei = cold, and shizuka = quiet/peaceful. They're even color-coded to match.
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To be a little more positive than I have been so far on this thread; the animations are amazing.

But I'm still not excited about Athena. At all. I'm excited to play as Phoenix again and Apollo needs more character development. Yes, yes they need new characters too and I get that, but why did it have to be an 18-year-old attorney AND analytical psychologist?! It doesn't make sense! AAAH!

On another note, what's this about a mock trial? I mean, what purpose does it serve?
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SeanHK wrote:
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According to the site, Juni is studying to be a "judge", Chishio (the kid w/the headband) is in the prosecutor class, and Rei (the one w/the glasses and blue uniform) is in the attorney class. I'm guessing these 3 played their respective roles in the mock trial. I guess, anyways.


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So Rei's studying to be an attorney? He has the same coat (the blue one) just like Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, and he's a prosecutor. Hmm, so coat colours do not mean anything...


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Look at her wrists. Are those bruises? Was she tied up?

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Since the hiragana of Michiba's name is not shown in the screenshot with Fulbright, then it means she was introduced earlier on. I'm guessing she's casually mentioned by someone such as Juniper or Athena actually met her in person.

Either way, if Michiba was murdered when Juniper and Athena were talking to each other, then it means Juniper has an alibi considering the COD. If this case takes place before Case 1, then it would make sense Juniper is innocent.

And now that we have all the full names of the characters (I'll assume Masayo Michiba is correct), the only character left is Ichiro the old man. Wonder how he's associated to Themis Law School.

Oh, and can anyone please translate this paragraph from the website:

調査の途中で拾った学校新聞の内容がふと頭をよぎる。どうやら学校新聞に出ていた森澄しのぶと三角関係(?)の相手はこのふたりのようだが‥‥。


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Thane wrote:

On another note, what's this about a mock trial? I mean, what purpose does it serve?

It serves as a mock trial.

On a more serious note, it's probably just one way to have another court design, move the plot with its connection to the murder, and to show how they practice being lawyers, prosecutors, and judges in Themis Law School.

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I think Phoenix is trying to integrate some stuff from the Themis Law School like that court design, rather than just possibly getting invited or attending for the festivities.

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And now that we have all the full names of the characters (I'll assume Masayo Michiba is correct), the only character left is Ichiro the old man. Wonder how he's associated to Themis Law School.

Oh, and can anyone please translate this paragraph from the website:

調査の途中で拾った学校新聞の内容がふと頭をよぎる。どうやら学校新聞に出ていた森澄しのぶと三角関係(?)の相手はこのふたりのようだが‥‥。

Headmaster Ichiro.

"During the investigation, [Athena & co.] happen to pass a glance at a discarded school newspaper. According to the newspaper, there seems to be a love triangle (?) between Juniper Woods and two others shown here..."

Basically, gossip talk.

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I think Phoenix is trying to integrate some stuff from the Themis Law School like that court design, rather than just possibly getting invited or attending for the festivities.

It seems more like Phoenix wasn't even there until he heard that Juniper was arrested. It was supposed to be just Athena visiting her friend at school, bringing along Apollo for some random reason. Even more pointless is Klavier's cameo in this case, now that it's confirmed that Simon is prosecuting the real trial.
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I love the fact that you can ask for hints. The hints we used to get were never good at all. But this game feels so bloated with new features. I hope that the story really makes up for it. I'm not really liking the idea of being able to play as so many characters. But we'll see how it turns out.
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SeanHK wrote:
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According to the site, Juni is studying to be a "judge", Chishio (the kid w/the headband) is in the prosecutor class, and Rei (the one w/the glasses and blue uniform) is in the attorney class. I'm guessing these 3 played their respective roles in the mock trial. I guess, anyways.


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Are we sure Rei isn't studying to be a Prosecutor? I'm not saying you mis-translated, it could easily be an error on the site--but the fact that he's considered a Genius is the biggest one for me in a series that loves "genius" "prodigy prosecutors". Furthermore, he's wearing the same outfit as Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, from GK2, who is said to have graduated and become a prosecutor only a month before GK2 begins, making it not unreasonable that that would be his college uniform. All this points to Rei being a prosecutor. Plus, Chishio looks more like a defense attorney than Rei does.

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Are we sure Rei isn't studying to be a Prosecutor? I'm not saying you mis-translated, it could easily be an error on the site--but the fact that he's considered a Genius is the biggest one for me in a series that loves "genius" "prodigy prosecutors". Furthermore, he's wearing the same outfit as Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, from GK2, who is said to have graduated and become a prosecutor only a month before GK2 begins, making it not unreasonable that that would be his college uniform. All this points to Rei being a prosecutor. Plus, Chishio looks more like a defense attorney than Rei does.

The site clearly stated that Rei is from the attorney class, and Chishio from the prosecutor class. It's not confirmed if the school uniforms are color-coded. I doubt it to be an error on the site based on the way it's presented, especially that he treats Wright with respect, despite normally looking down on everyone. Besides, this isn't the first time we've had a cool-headed defense attorney.

I don't know what's up with Yumihiko wearing blue, but
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his father was the one who arranged for his graduation and official instatement anyway.
I wouldn't use Yumihiko as a sturdy reference.

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According to the site, Juni is studying to be a "judge", Chishio (the kid w/the headband) is in the prosecutor class, and Rei (the one w/the glasses and blue uniform) is in the attorney class. I'm guessing these 3 played their respective roles in the mock trial. I guess, anyways.

There could have been another mock trial after the one with Apollo, Klavier and Athena. "mogi mogi" doesn't translate very well, but she could be implying a practice mock trial before the actual mock trial. (I hope that Klavier's appearance there isn't just as a cameo there, especially how much attention he's getting among the news.)
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Percei wrote:
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Are we sure Rei isn't studying to be a Prosecutor? I'm not saying you mis-translated, it could easily be an error on the site--but the fact that he's considered a Genius is the biggest one for me in a series that loves "genius" "prodigy prosecutors". Furthermore, he's wearing the same outfit as Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, from GK2, who is said to have graduated and become a prosecutor only a month before GK2 begins, making it not unreasonable that that would be his college uniform. All this points to Rei being a prosecutor. Plus, Chishio looks more like a defense attorney than Rei does.


Rei, himself, states that he is in the attorney class in this screenshot.

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And...

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It's not confirmed if the school uniforms are color-coded.


This shot from the anime/PV shows the classes are split up by colour.

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Which of course makes things interesting concerning Yumihiko's school uniform. Could very well be a setting error on the developer's part...
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SeanHK wrote:
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It's not confirmed if the school uniforms are color-coded.


This shot from the anime/PV shows the classes are split up by colour.

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Which of course makes things interesting concerning Yumihiko's school uniform. Could very well be a setting error on the developer's part...

To be technical, that doesn't confirm anything besides the school being color-coded by at least class unit. But, I concede that it is very likely it applies to the whole school. Though, I still believe that the school committee gets their own special uniforms. They look distinct from those in the judge class... or is it just because Shinobu dresses slightly different, being committee president? I dunno.

Perhaps Yumi wanted to become a defense attorney for some reason, but his dad said no. Or maybe Yumi was late to registration and the only uniforms they had left by that time were the blue ones because prosecutors were in such high demand. ...Nah, that's silly.

I prefer creative workaround solutions to developer mistakes. It gives the characters a whole new perspective.
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I kind of noticed...

Judge= :udgy: =wears black
Attorney= :phoenix: =wears blue
Prosecutor= :edgeworth: =wears red

This is why I feel so strongly the colour=profession. Well, in this game anyways. Maybe it's just a big coincidence... but it works haha. But like we've mentioned, then it makes Yumihiko's situation a little interesting.
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I kind of noticed...

Judge= :udgy: =wears black
Attorney= :phoenix: =wears blue
Prosecutor= :edgeworth: =wears red

This is why I feel so strongly the colour=profession. Well, in this game anyways. Maybe it's just a big coincidence... but it works haha. But like we've mentioned, then it makes Yumihiko's situation a little interesting.

Considering Apollo wears red (and the many other prosecutors and defense attorneys that don't follow your pattern), I don't think there's a correlation in your statement.
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Considering Apollo wears red (and the many other prosecutors and defense attorneys that don't follow your pattern), I don't think there's a correlation in your statement.


Fair enough... But as far as the series is concerned, Phoenix is the "face" of the attorney-side and Edgeworth is the same with the prosecution-side. I thought it made a lot of sense from a design POV...
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Athena's DLC costume is blue.
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On another note, what's this about a mock trial? I mean, what purpose does it serve?


I'm guessing that it's supposed to serve as some sort of demonstration. Since Themis is a law school, perhaps Apollo and Klavier were chosen to give sort of an "in court demonstration" to the students to show them what it's like during an actual trial.

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Regarding Case 3, my guess is that it's going to be the case where the bombing takes place. With Athena going up against Blackquill, I can possibly see the bombing happening before the verdict is reached. I just can't imagine Simon Blackquill being taken seriously as the big, bad antagonist prosecutor if he loses to an 18-year old rookie.
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Athena's DLC costume is blue.

And it's from Themis. Makes sense; she and Juniper likely attended the same school, and then Athena graduated, and shortly found a job at a legendary agency... and was probably hired on the spot because she has supernatural abilities.

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Thinking about it, what happened to Apollo? His DLC outfit makes him look like a teenaged punk.
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I don't know about you guys but that picture of those 3 looking down like that makes me feel uncomfortable
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and that its possible all 3 are guilty [spoiler]

It reminds me of how serious the the situations are and I haven't felt it for quite a while

[spoiler=] cause you know, Edgeworth 2 wasn't translated
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I'm pretty sure the picture of the three of them is just the possible love triangle between them.

And I'm pretty sure I saw a screenshot of Ichiro before but just to remind me, where is the screenshot of Ichiro stating he's the headmaster of the school?

And what does the number 18 and 100 have to do with Atsui and Shizuya, respectively?

About the whole blue uniform thing with Shizuya and Yumihiko, maybe the uniform has something to do with the fact Shizuya's part of the archery club? After all, part of Yumihiko's name has to do with a bow.


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Athena's DLC costume is blue.


Yeah, indeed. So it makes sense that it is the color of the defense attorney candidates. Maybe Yumihiko just thinks he's a prosecutor but accidentally attended the wrong classes during law school? :keiko: Yeah, right...
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Thane wrote:
On another note, what's this about a mock trial? I mean, what purpose does it serve?


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Regarding Case 3, my guess is that it's going to be the case where the bombing takes place. With Athena going up against Blackquill, I can possibly see the bombing happening before the verdict is reached. I just can't imagine Simon Blackquill being taken seriously as the big, bad antagonist prosecutor if he loses to an 18-year old rookie.


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While a good point, it wouldn't really make him look good if he got his ass kicked first and then gets 'saved' by something like that.

It'd have to be at a point where they're at a standstill or he is at an advantage.

So this is likely to be a flashback case, then?

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