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- Very easy, no problems until now
- Quite long too
- The game suffers from too many protagonists actually... It results in shizophrenic POV jumps, and storywise, it can be considered confusing to people who have never played GS
- And Kokone still comes off as a Mary Sue to me
- I like the music
- The (3D) breakdowns are fun, but still nothing that comes close to the first breakdown in Layton vs GS
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- The presentation is amazing
- Athena and Bobby both seem like good additions to the cast
- The cases feel too separate. I've seen case 1 2 and 3, and there isn't a clear line of the overarching plot yet.
- Playing as Athena feels like a weird way to make her character shine.
- Not enough Phoenix Wright
- Aside from some parts of case 1 the story really suffers from a lack of tension.
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linkenski wrote:
Aside from some parts of case 1 the story really suffers from a lack of tension.
I'm going to buy GS5 and play it no matter what, but hearing something like this fills me with trepidation. All this time as we were seeing previews, hearing about gameplay tune-ups and what not, I always thought to myself, "This all sounds wonderful, but none of it will matter if the story is no good."
Without knowing anything about GS5's overall plot, I can say that if the development team did not manage to produce something more engaging and involving than what they came up with for the original GK then I will be...disappointed, to say the least.
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linkenski wrote:
Aside from some parts of case 1 the story really suffers from a lack of tension.
I'm going to buy GS5 and play it no matter what, but hearing something like this fills me with trepidation. All this time as we were seeing previews, hearing about gameplay tune-ups and what not, I always thought to myself, "This all sounds wonderful, but none of it will matter if the story is no good."
Without knowing anything about GS5's overall plot, I can say that if the development team did not manage to produce something more engaging and involving than what they came up with for the original GK then I will be...disappointed, to say the least.
I wouldn't worry too much. The parts people love, others will hate, and visa-versa. I think it will probably feel different to the original games since it's a different team. That being said, I hope it'll be really good.
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shadowofedgeworth wrote:
linkenski wrote:
Aside from some parts of case 1 the story really suffers from a lack of tension.
I'm going to buy GS5 and play it no matter what, but hearing something like this fills me with trepidation. All this time as we were seeing previews, hearing about gameplay tune-ups and what not, I always thought to myself, "This all sounds wonderful, but none of it will matter if the story is no good."
Without knowing anything about GS5's overall plot, I can say that if the development team did not manage to produce something more engaging and involving than what they came up with for the original GK then I will be...disappointed, to say the least.
Don't worry, that's subjective.
That impression is from watching a livestream, not playing the game.
I sure think the things that happen in Case 3 are pretty tense based on the same livestream, but that's just me.
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I love the series and while i admit that there are entries that are better than others i would definitely never say that i wouldn't buy the game just because some people didn't like the fact that Maya didn't appear properly or Apollo has more cases than Phoenix or whatever.
The cases lack tension? Based on what? It's better if you play the game by yourself and then decide if what they said was spot on or not.
One thing is for sure and that is that is impossible to please the fandom 100%. It's human nature and they will ALWAYS find something to bitch about. No matter what.
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Charlieboy90 wrote:
You know.. No one can be a better judge than yourself. If we go by with the opinions of people who actually PLAYED the game then we couldn't make the right judgment.
I love the series and while i admit that there are entries that are better than others i would definitely never say that i wouldn't buy the game just because some people didn't like the fact that Maya didn't appear properly or Apollo has more cases than Phoenix or whatever.
The cases lack tension? Based on what? It's better if you play the game by yourself and then decide if what they said was spot on or not.
One thing is for sure and that is that is impossible to please the fandom 100%. It's human nature and they will ALWAYS find something to bitch about. No matter what.
I love the series and while i admit that there are entries that are better than others i would definitely never say that i wouldn't buy the game just because some people didn't like the fact that Maya didn't appear properly or Apollo has more cases than Phoenix or whatever.
The cases lack tension? Based on what? It's better if you play the game by yourself and then decide if what they said was spot on or not.
One thing is for sure and that is that is impossible to please the fandom 100%. It's human nature and they will ALWAYS find something to bitch about. No matter what.
I quite agree. Though I'm sure there will be things we won't like, I think I'd love an AA game no matter what it was. I wanted Phoenix to be the protagonist, but had it been completely Apollo, I'd still have enjoyed it very much.
Anyway, no matter what the flaws may be, I'm looking forward to it.
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Overall impressions (in non-logical order):
- My clear time: precisely 18 hours (in one single session... Did put it on standby and all of course, but never shut the game down until now... =_=)
- Definitely a GK team game, with a bigger theme for the whole game
- And they have troubles structuring that theme / overall storyline in a streamlined way
- I did like how they tried to build on the problems raised in GS4
- Kokone is a Mary Sue, from beginning until the end
- The second and third case I liked the best personally
- Great music overall
- Animation was pretty much useless...
- Super easy
- 'Cameo's/recurring characters are handled badly (not as in personality, but as in tying them up to the plot)
- Odoroki/Apollo's role is awesome in this story. They should have done this to him in GS4
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Ash wrote:
Okay, so I just cleared the game....
Overall impressions (in non-logical order):
- My clear time: precisely 18 hours (in one single session... Did put it on standby and all of course, but never shut the game down until now... =_=)
- Definitely a GK team game, with a bigger theme for the whole game
- And they have troubles structuring that theme / overall storyline in a streamlined way
- I did like how they tried to build on the problems raised in GS4
- Kokone is a Mary Sue, from beginning until the end
- The second and third case I liked the best personally
- Great music overall
- Animation was pretty much useless...
- Super easy
- 'Cameo's/recurring characters are handled badly (not as in personality, but as in tying them up to the plot)
- Odoroki/Apollo's role is awesome in this story. They should have done this to him in GS4
Overall impressions (in non-logical order):
- My clear time: precisely 18 hours (in one single session... Did put it on standby and all of course, but never shut the game down until now... =_=)
- Definitely a GK team game, with a bigger theme for the whole game
- And they have troubles structuring that theme / overall storyline in a streamlined way
- I did like how they tried to build on the problems raised in GS4
- Kokone is a Mary Sue, from beginning until the end
- The second and third case I liked the best personally
- Great music overall
- Animation was pretty much useless...
- Super easy
- 'Cameo's/recurring characters are handled badly (not as in personality, but as in tying them up to the plot)
- Odoroki/Apollo's role is awesome in this story. They should have done this to him in GS4
I really don't get why you think Kokone is a Mary Sue. I mean, she's not too different from Nick, all things considered. Sure, I was bummed that
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If you're done, may I ask how you think the game holds up to its predecessors?
Hmmm, I still have to organize my thoughts about it. It's strong thematically, but the execution is a bit strange at times. Middle part was great, didn't like the latter part as much. I might want to replay in a couple of weeks to see how it turns out then.
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Ash wrote:
Edit; >> About the Mary Sue thing. Have you completed the game?
Hmmm, I still have to organize my thoughts about it. It's strong thematically, but the execution is a bit strange at times. Middle part was great, didn't like the latter part as much. I might want to replay in a couple of weeks to see how it turns out then.
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If you're done, may I ask how you think the game holds up to its predecessors?
Hmmm, I still have to organize my thoughts about it. It's strong thematically, but the execution is a bit strange at times. Middle part was great, didn't like the latter part as much. I might want to replay in a couple of weeks to see how it turns out then.
Spoiler: About Mary Sues
Alright. I look forward to your more thorough explanation, then!
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Ash wrote:
- Super easy
In general, or compared to the other games? (Because outside of 3-4 and a few choice testimonies, the games tend to be pretty easy)
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In general, or compared to the other games? (Because outside of 3-4 and a few choice testimonies, the games tend to be pretty easy)
Both, I think? I can't even remember having troubles with any of the testimonies in this game. The task lists do make the investigation phases much more efficient though.
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Bad Player wrote:
Ash wrote:
- Super easy
In general, or compared to the other games? (Because outside of 3-4 and a few choice testimonies, the games tend to be pretty easy)
What do you mean? Do you mean case 3-4 (As in Turnabout Beginnings)? GS3-GS4? Cases 3-4 in GS5?
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1. What are your favorite animations so far? I've only seen Bolt's Case 1 video before it got taken down, but the animations look incredible. The game looks so much more alive with the 3D models.
2. Who is your favorite/least favorite new character of the game? You don't have to go into spoilers if you want to; I'm just curious as to how the new characters introduce compare with the characters of the previous games.
Thanks for all of the info so far! Despite some disappointments, the game still looks incredible. Can't wait for the English release!
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GyakutenGodot wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
Ash wrote:
- Super easy
In general, or compared to the other games? (Because outside of 3-4 and a few choice testimonies, the games tend to be pretty easy)
What do you mean? Do you mean case 3-4 (As in Turnabout Beginnings)?
Yes by 3-4 I mean case 3-4
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Ben Lyon wrote:
To those of you who've played the game, I have a couple of questions:
1. What are your favorite animations so far? I've only seen Bolt's Case 1 video before it got taken down, but the animations look incredible. The game looks so much more alive with the 3D models.
2. Who is your favorite/least favorite new character of the game? You don't have to go into spoilers if you want to; I'm just curious as to how the new characters introduce compare with the characters of the previous games.
Thanks for all of the info so far! Despite some disappointments, the game still looks incredible. Can't wait for the English release!
1. What are your favorite animations so far? I've only seen Bolt's Case 1 video before it got taken down, but the animations look incredible. The game looks so much more alive with the 3D models.
2. Who is your favorite/least favorite new character of the game? You don't have to go into spoilers if you want to; I'm just curious as to how the new characters introduce compare with the characters of the previous games.
Thanks for all of the info so far! Despite some disappointments, the game still looks incredible. Can't wait for the English release!
I'm only in the beginning of case 2, but (as I've pretty much already said xD) my favorite animation is Kokone's "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF" face, and my favorite character is Ban (Fulbright?). Don't really have enough to pick a "least favorite" tho.
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We need a emoti-shout for this and "Got it!" pronto.
Actually, I'm playing through the cases rather slowly and eating up all the emotions. FULL MATTA! basically. Though I have considered messing around and presenting the attorney's badge in court, I think I'll save that for a later case. Then again, I could always return to a past case and present it then.
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One note though: on my blog, I write mainly about detective fiction, so I mostly discuss Gyakuten Saiban 5 as such (i.e. how it works as detective game). It's not written as a 'normal' game review, nor do I look at how 'it holds up to the rest of the series' in terms of characters/plot et cetera.
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Considering this was done by the GK team, I think it might be more fair to compare it to the GK games then Takumi's GS1-GS4. From that perspective, do you feel they improved/learned lessons, or?
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Wooster wrote:
I just read your review. Informative and thoughtful as always. I enjoy that you praise things when you see them done right and call it out on the fallacies while enjoying the games but not getting over involved. The comparisons to games I haven't played or heard of fascinated me. It makes me disappointed I'm not bilingual.
Considering this was done by the GK team, I think it might be more fair to compare it to the GK games then Takumi's GS1-GS4. From that perspective, do you feel they improved/learned lessons, or?
Considering this was done by the GK team, I think it might be more fair to compare it to the GK games then Takumi's GS1-GS4. From that perspective, do you feel they improved/learned lessons, or?
Thanks for reading! And regarding seeing GS5 compared to GK... GK/GK2/GS5 all try to present a larger story and at times, the individual cases suffer a bit from it. It's nothing really serious, most of the time, but sometimes the way the cases are presented to player (order / the way the case is connected to the main storyline) is a bit strange. W/o going into any details: the second-to-last case is weird. But like I mention in my review, GS5-3 is an example of how to do it good, and that is certainly something I think was better than the GK series
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I have to say, the fact that you can't search every area is quite a big blow... I'm pretty disappointed with this...
I was about to say the same thing
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Wooster wrote:
I just read your review. Informative and thoughtful as always. I enjoy that you praise things when you see them done right and call it out on the fallacies while enjoying the games but not getting over involved. The comparisons to games I haven't played or heard of fascinated me. It makes me disappointed I'm not bilingual.
Considering this was done by the GK team, I think it might be more fair to compare it to the GK games then Takumi's GS1-GS4. From that perspective, do you feel they improved/learned lessons, or?
Considering this was done by the GK team, I think it might be more fair to compare it to the GK games then Takumi's GS1-GS4. From that perspective, do you feel they improved/learned lessons, or?
Thanks for reading! And regarding seeing GS5 compared to GK... GK/GK2/GS5 all try to present a larger story and at times, the individual cases suffer a bit from it. It's nothing really serious, most of the time, but sometimes the way the cases are presented to player (order / the way the case is connected to the main storyline) is a bit strange. W/o going into any details: the second-to-last case is weird. But like I mention in my review, GS5-3 is an example of how to do it good, and that is certainly something I think was better than the GK series
I haven't finished GS5 yet (or even case 2 xD) but I think GK2 does the overarching plot perfectly--there's always some 'superficial' element that ties the current case to a previous one, so it feels like there's a certain 'flow' while playing through the game, and then you find out that the cases were all deeply entwined in the big reveal at the end. AAI was also pretty good about this. However, 5-2 doesn't seem to have any connections to 5-1 at all, which just makes it feel kind of... disjointed. (Think JFA, or the middle episodes of T&T.)
Then again, the GK games had their plots into a week or two, so I suppose it was easier to tie those cases together.
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Bad Player wrote:
I was about to say the same thing
There's so much I wanted to examine too... Pretty much every area in Case 2 and the hallway in Case 3 look fascinating... I also don't mind having to move everywhere myself, so I was a little disappointed with the way you pretty much get taken everywhere... I just finished Case 3 and I can't see how anyone would need the investigation note-thing, unless they had resumed playing after a long break from the game. I think in general, this game was made to cater to series newcomers a little too much.
Bad Player wrote:
I haven't finished GS5 yet (or even case 2 xD) but I think GK2 does the overarching plot perfectly--there's always some 'superficial' element that ties the current case to a previous one, so it feels like there's a certain 'flow' while playing through the game, and then you find out that the cases were all deeply entwined in the big reveal at the end. AAI was also pretty good about this. However, 5-2 doesn't seem to have any connections to 5-1 at all, which just makes it feel kind of... disjointed. (Think JFA, or the middle episodes of T&T.)
Then again, the GK games had their plots into a week or two, so I suppose it was easier to tie those cases together.
Then again, the GK games had their plots into a week or two, so I suppose it was easier to tie those cases together.
I feel the same way. When I played GK2 and got to points in C5, I got this huge rush whenever I realized why something in a previous case happened the way it did. I'd say to myself "Woah... that's why ______..!"
I don't mind isolated cases, but I like the thrill of making the connections while playing a lot more. : P
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Bad Player wrote:
I haven't finished GS5 yet (or even case 2 xD) but I think GK2 does the overarching plot perfectly--there's always some 'superficial' element that ties the current case to a previous one, so it feels like there's a certain 'flow' while playing through the game, and then you find out that the cases were all deeply entwined in the big reveal at the end. AAI was also pretty good about this. However, 5-2 doesn't seem to have any connections to 5-1 at all, which just makes it feel kind of... disjointed. (Think JFA, or the middle episodes of T&T.)
Thing is, in the GK games, the cases are very much interconnected, making it 1) hard to see one case seperate from another and 2) it's too obvious it's all part of one story (event X leads to event Y, Y to Z etc). GS5-3 for example is, in my opinion, a good way of showing the theme of the game, without having to be strongly connected to other events. Oh, and 5-2 is a bit disconnected, but there is great meta-hint there for the later half of the game (you'll probably only notice it when you get there, and even I think most people will miss it).
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Ash wrote:
Is this a spoiler-free review? Sorry, I am just being careful here.
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Lusankya wrote:
Ash wrote:
Is this a spoiler-free review? Sorry, I am just being careful here.
It's not totally spoiler-free; he gives the basic setting for most of the cases, iirc.
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Bad Player wrote:
I was about to say the same thing
I haven't finished GS5 yet (or even case 2 xD) but I think GK2 does the overarching plot perfectly--there's always some 'superficial' element that ties the current case to a previous one, so it feels like there's a certain 'flow' while playing through the game, and then you find out that the cases were all deeply entwined in the big reveal at the end. AAI was also pretty good about this. However, 5-2 doesn't seem to have any connections to 5-1 at all, which just makes it feel kind of... disjointed. (Think JFA, or the middle episodes of T&T.)
Then again, the GK games had their plots into a week or two, so I suppose it was easier to tie those cases together.
I haven't finished GS5 yet (or even case 2 xD) but I think GK2 does the overarching plot perfectly--there's always some 'superficial' element that ties the current case to a previous one, so it feels like there's a certain 'flow' while playing through the game, and then you find out that the cases were all deeply entwined in the big reveal at the end. AAI was also pretty good about this. However, 5-2 doesn't seem to have any connections to 5-1 at all, which just makes it feel kind of... disjointed. (Think JFA, or the middle episodes of T&T.)
Then again, the GK games had their plots into a week or two, so I suppose it was easier to tie those cases together.
Of course each case in AAI was connected to the other,considering case 2,3 and 4 take place BEFORE case 1.
Obviously we wouldn't have flashbacks if they weren't connected to the plot,so there were no surprises there:\
In fact,I hated this in AAI.
The order of the cases felt like a pathetic attempt at creating tension,which did not work imo.
If you ask me,AA3 did it the right way.
Hopefully this time it will be done better~
Also,for those of you who've finished the game/near the end - Could you tell us please where would you rank this game among the others?
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I've seen most of this game now, and it seems it's better. It still has the same case structure, but luckily case 4 doesn't go even longer back in the chronology like it did in AAI. Case 4 is half of the last flashback and half the trial that happens after case 1, and case 5 doesn't seem quite as boring. This is more about characters and their backstories than countries and smuggling like in AAI.
It still feels a little weak in comparison to AA1 but some might think it's even better. You just have to accept that the style is different in this game.
Now I wasn't the one playing the game, I've been watching an entire live-stream of the full game, seen every case and so on, so I can't say much about the difficulty or the mechanics in this game. I have seen some people on the japanese Amazon rate this game with 3-stars however and most are saying that the big reason is that you can only examine the areas that are relevant during investigation. This resulted in a lack of freedom and it made it too easy to know where to find what.
I think, for me and story-wise the order would be:
AA1>AA2>AA3>>AA5>AJ>>>>AAI, with emphasis on the "better than AAI", because I found that game to be way too boring and unfunny.
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Re: The general impressions/playthrough thread
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For instance,
Spoiler: "GK1-3"
Spoiler: "Mostly GK1-4"
GS3 on the other hand, the flashback cases didn't especially appeal to me. I didn't dislike them. But I didn't find special favor with them either. They were just so segregated from Phoenix's arch. It was filled with background info on Delilah that had no direct impact on the 'current' cases. (That may be ultimately Mia's fault. She did absolutely nothing of value when possessing her relatives. But my point stands)
Then there's GS2, who was only non-linear because Maya had to get into the first case. That was too meta for me to properly enjoy.
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Maybe some crazy Japanese fans will get together and do a radio play of it?
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Re: The general impressions/playthrough thread
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Wooster wrote:
See, I dislike linear story telling because you have a clue what's happening next. All your foreshadowing has to be done in advance and it's harder to have misconceptions if you have all the fore-data. It's basically Cause and Effect. When you have all the causes, the effect becomes obvious. On the other hand, consider when GS4 was just pumping out, and we got our first glimpse of Hobohodo. The fandom EXPLOADED. But if the game opened with the flashback trial, all the theories and misconceptions we got to fly around would never have manifested and the hype would've been more rage and apathy. It'd be very dull.
I won't just generalize here and say "Linear story is better than non-linear narrative" or vice versa. Look, we both know there are good and bad ways to use it, and when you look at the exectution of it with AAI it all comes down to our opinion. I'm fine with Turnabout Reminiscence being a flashback case because it's a lot of years before everything else, and likewise with AJ and the second half of case 4. It was done really well, I agree, but cases 2 and 3 for example, in AAI are practically filler cases. You get some foreshadowing and little information on what's next and the "ooh, look that's Buddy Faith there, so he's gonna die after this case!" but really..? was it really necessary for the writer to make case 1 and then go "Let's rewind to when this started" just to show us two events that had almost nothing to do with the main plot. It wasn't very good in 2-1 either because it would've been a bigger surprise if you saw Maya without knowing Phoenix was going to be able to meet her or not.
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