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If they take place in the same universe, that is. He could always do more references, whether they are blatant or subtle, to the characters such as one character wearing clothing resembling Edgeworth's or Gumshoe's.
You mean having Ghost Trick 2 character's that somewhat resemble AA characters?
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Yeah, you got that right. Ghost Trick did have references to AA, such as a dog named Missile and those two detectives dressed like Phoenix and Payne.
Well it would be a good idea, like to add more references like that. Who knows they could always do a crossover between the two like they did with PLvsAA
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By the way, out of curiosity, is it true that when you buy something digital, you don't actually own it and that the purchase is more of a lease? I'm still planning to purchase the game and the DLC but I'm feeling a bit uneasy about the whole digital thing and I want to have some facts set straight.
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AnsweringNOW wrote:
By the way, out of curiosity, is it true that when you buy something digital, you don't actually own it and that the purchase is more of a lease? I'm still planning to purchase the game and the DLC but I'm feeling a bit uneasy about the whole digital thing and I want to have some facts set straight.
That's more of an opinion than an outright fact; some people think if you don't physically have something you purchased, you don't own it. Truth is, you own it for as long as you own the system it's on and/or can re-download it from wherever you originally got it (in this case the eShop). Some people feel ripped off because Nintendo's current situation has caused an issue where one can lose their purchases if something happens to their Wii U/3DS and it needs to be replaced, and they're making workarounds for that anyway, but otherwise it's definitely yours.
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AnsweringNOW wrote:
By the way, out of curiosity, is it true that when you buy something digital, you don't actually own it and that the purchase is more of a lease? I'm still planning to purchase the game and the DLC but I'm feeling a bit uneasy about the whole digital thing and I want to have some facts set straight.
Well, you never own the game in the first place. It doesn't matter whether you buy it on a disc/cartridge or as a download.
Technically the only difference is that when you buy a "physical" version of the game you get the game data on a disc and when you buy a "digital" version of the game you have to download the game data. Practically you currently can't resell your digital games, though it's perfectly legal (at least in Germany, can't speak for the whole world) and should be allowed, but apparently no one cares enough.
Then you have the doomsayers who will tell you, that basically everyday Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Nintendo and whoever else can collapse and you can't play your digital games anymore. That's not true!
In fact, even if they were to just disappear you could still play your games (they don't require an active internet connection to be played) and considering that you can have back ups of your games, you don't need to worry about redownloading your games.
Then there is a second concern that only affects Nintendo. Currently they don't have a real account system and the games are tied to your console. So does it mean your games are lost, when your 3DS gets broken/stolen? Not exactly. Nintendo still do know what games you have bought (you need a club Nintendo account connected to your console where you buy your games via the eShop) and you also get a receipt everytime you buy a game. It's a hassle but you can get your games back should you lose your 3DS or it gets broken (I shall remind you that you can also lose or break your game discs/cartridges and most of the time you aren't allowed to have backups of them).
I agree it's not the best system, but there are signs that we could see a real account system for Nintendo consoles this year.
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It is very simple. You don't buy the game. You buy a license to play the game. If that is attached to a specific physical object or an account as opposed to your person then that is just a special kind of licensing.
Technically though your still owning it, since it's in your possession and you payed with your own money.
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henke37 wrote:
It is very simple. You don't buy the game. You buy a license to play the game. If that is attached to a specific physical object or an account as opposed to your person then that is just a special kind of licensing.
And even then it's nothing special. Physical release, your license is tied to the disk/cart/what have you. Digital release, your license is tied to the system/account. Only difference here is the medium.
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Prosecutor Yuugami wrote:
henke37 wrote:
It is very simple. You don't buy the game. You buy a license to play the game. If that is attached to a specific physical object or an account as opposed to your person then that is just a special kind of licensing.
Technically though your still owning it, since it's in your possession and you payed with your own money.
It is indirect ownership. You own the medium, not the contents.
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Also I don't think AA is really suited to DLC. I haven't played the DD DLC and I don't know what other DLC the team would be capable of producing but I do know that if it's just a silly trivial inconsequential story then it's a waste of time and if it's properly good then it should just be included in the game or at least saved for the next one.
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They're essentially the modern version of 'expansion packs', and those were all fine and dandy sold seperately way back when - I swear people are only wary of Digital DLC now because it's the big bad boogeyman of gaming that nobody understands properly.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Please don't clutter up the thread with semantics. You own the copy of the game you paid for, end of story.
Sounds more like borrowing or renting to me. There is a substantial legal difference...
But yeah don't boycott the digital copy as some useless way to express a principle that Capcom and Nintendo won't notice etc etc etc,..... also to be fair Nintendo aren't the only companies using these types of 'strategies' with not owning digital content, so the blame should also go to the pioneers of this kind of fake 'management' of digital products..
I can't see what's wrong with EXTRA DLC cases either. You'd 'rather they worked on GS6'? Well DLC is a way to get content when they're NOT committing to a full game 'yet' or ever. It also tests ideas without having to use them to mess up an entire 'game'. DLC is only bad when they withheld it from the main title on purpose just to make you pay more. Also, for all we know the single cases might turn out done better, perhaps these writers are better at individual cases not trying to emulate the formula of the 'GS1-4' with one overarching plot.
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And even then it's nothing special. Physical release, your license is tied to the disk/cart/what have you. Digital release, your license is tied to the system/account. Only difference here is the medium.
We all know that's not a proper analogy. I don't get a 3DS each time (or any time) I buy a game do I? Printing the cartridge things did cost money, even more for each one, so the publisher was performing a service. So okay how much does it cost Nintendo to give you a digital game? (And yes I mean Nintendo not Capcom). You know the cartridge things can be used elsewhere. This way you just have to buy repeat copies of the game you're 'renting' on each new device, whether it's a new 3DS or some future thing, while it costs nothing for Nintendo to deploy infinite copies. All the concepts of 'ownership' and 'stealing' were invented when there really were finite copies of things and taking one took away the other. So any way to license digital products by limitation is fake, and this is more limiting than when there were indeed physical prints.
Now obviously the game creators should be remunerated for their hard work, digital or not, so piracy is wrong. But as for Nintendo making all this unreasonable control and profit out of it, not so much. It's not like they GAVE us the 3DS, is it? We paid for that too! The industry has shifted so that the business models are about distributing content, (and who's allowed to and how) not actually making it.
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You download it you own the license and the right to own the game.
Here's an example of Nintendo's digital downloading concerns from myself:
Little while ago near the end of last year the Monster Hunter 3U Edition 3DS XL came out. I was going to trade in my own one for it as it came with Monster Hunter 3U on the system and it was an upgrade from 3DS to XL.
I did so and in the store I went through the System Transfer process after checking the 3DS XL had Monster Hunter on it. During the system transfer the 3DS XL was formatted blanking it for the new content and monster hunter was deleted.
In my fury I made a very restrained phone call to nintendo customer services and explained my situation. I was told that since I'd bought the console I owned the license to the game. As such I could go onto the Eshop and simply redownload the game with no charge. Access the e-shop, go to "Titles you've downloaded" and select "Redownload".
Plain an simple. You own a copy, you can always download a replacement.
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AnsweringNOW wrote:
If they take place in the same universe, that is. He could always do more references, whether they are blatant or subtle, to the characters such as one character wearing clothing resembling Edgeworth's or Gumshoe's.
Anyway, if they are developing more DLC cases, then I'm guessing one would feature Athena as the main character. Apollo would probably get his own DLC case too.
Anyway, if they are developing more DLC cases, then I'm guessing one would feature Athena as the main character. Apollo would probably get his own DLC case too.
Yay, that would mean more anime scenes! Take notes, Capcom.
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icer wrote:
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And even then it's nothing special. Physical release, your license is tied to the disk/cart/what have you. Digital release, your license is tied to the system/account. Only difference here is the medium.
We all know that's not a proper analogy. I don't get a 3DS each time (or any time) I buy a game do I?
Uh... That was why I added the "/account" part. Yeah, you don't have to get a new account or system every time, but your purchase is still tied to it.
Argh. That really is a bad analogy, now that I really think about it. I'm sorry!
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I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
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RobotoDomo wrote:
On a slightly unrelated topic, I just realized that Dual Destinies is rated Mature (17+), as opposed to being Teen (13+) like the previous games. I'm not sure what I feel about that, not being able to play the game...
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
There is a topic in the Dual Destinies forum about it. But without any spoilers I can tell you that it is warranted only due to the violent crime scenes. (basically more blood.)
There is no sexual content and I can't imagine them pumping up the language to be more vulgar.
Comparisons have also been drawn to the DL-6 case and SL-9 cases with the amount of blood/gore. In retrospect, those games could have been bumped up to M.
I would say that the M rating should not deter anyone from buying this game... but I haven't played it so I can't say for sure.
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RobotoDomo wrote:
On a slightly unrelated topic, I just realized that Dual Destinies is rated Mature (17+), as opposed to being Teen (13+) like the previous games. I'm not sure what I feel about that, not being able to play the game...
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
Look, it's still only PG in Australia, so it can't be all that bad.
The 'Blood' seems to be one of the reasons for the USA rating. I'm thinking the bomb was another.
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icer wrote:
RobotoDomo wrote:
On a slightly unrelated topic, I just realized that Dual Destinies is rated Mature (17+), as opposed to being Teen (13+) like the previous games. I'm not sure what I feel about that, not being able to play the game...
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
Look, it's still only PG in Australia, so it can't be all that bad.
The 'Blood' seems to be one of the reasons for the USA rating. I'm thinking the bomb was another.
My guess is the bombing plot had a big factor in the game's rating due to the Boston Bombings. I could see that being an issue with players who were involved/had relatives involved in the incident.
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ADA McCoy wrote:
icer wrote:
RobotoDomo wrote:
On a slightly unrelated topic, I just realized that Dual Destinies is rated Mature (17+), as opposed to being Teen (13+) like the previous games. I'm not sure what I feel about that, not being able to play the game...
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
I'm kidding. No one ever follows the ESRB ratings. But still... I'm not sure what I feel about the game. Is there really something that gore-y in there that made it for a mature audience? :S
Look, it's still only PG in Australia, so it can't be all that bad.
The 'Blood' seems to be one of the reasons for the USA rating. I'm thinking the bomb was another.
My guess is the bombing plot had a big factor in the game's rating due to the Boston Bombings. I could see that being an issue with players who were involved/had relatives involved in the incident.
How has that anything to do with youth protection?
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Lusankya wrote:
How has that anything to do with youth protection?
It would mean kids/teens who are younger (meaning emotionally less mature) might not see something that they couldn't handle. This kind of stuff can mean a film getting an R rating instead of a PG-13, so I would imagine it also affects game ratings.
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Go ahead and check out the topic (http://www.forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=27504) but there's a chance you'll spoil yourself.
If you don't want to look, here's a quote from Donte the DA in that topic:
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I won't go into too much detail, but the M rating is warranted. Ho boy, is it warranted.
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