Yowch....

Perhaps you meant it would have AAI investigation scenes with regular AA trial parts?

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Not AAI styled? Turned out that my doubts were right. But Rtaos is right, by now you should've finished the script while you're banned.

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But it's... kinda hard... not to.

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nice work now I need someone to pm rtoas to get a cr account and talk about the game here with us

Will do.

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thanks genodragon

No problem. Apparently Rtaos has another means to contact you, or is about to contact you here. I received a reply, which read:



So hopefully he'll be contacting you soon, edgey2000.

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What do I find on here? Ami tells me you're trying to advertise your trial and you want screenshots from me, so I come here and I am not impressed. I've read the thread and you've done it again. Do I have to tell you how to present something every time? This cannot go on, it's time to be realistic.

Here's some clear concise instructions for you to follow:
1. I don't believe I had to tell you this, I thought the hints were subtle enough, but improve your grammar. Use proper sentences, capitalise the first letter of every sentence and use punctuation. Everyone has said to improve your grammar and yet you ignore them. If you need help improving try:
Reading any book that's been published.
Look at my way of typing.
Resignation.
2. You are still lacking details. I had to ask multiple times for you to give me details on the simplest issue in the case, and now everyone is asking for more details. It isn't good enough. Write a clear synopsis for the series and the case. And don't tell blatant lies that this is more like AAI.
Because of the simple fact that it isn't.
3. Listen to other people. Most of the people on this thread you've ignored. Including my last message about screenshots which you either ignored on purpose or you didn't get the subtle undertones of it. Considering you've ignored everyone, I've had to come on here, make an account and take time to write this message telling you to sort it out, which should be common sense!
4. I've given you enough stuff to build the case on and I'm not doing all the work. This was your idea and you can make it. Open Microsoft Word, write the script and make sure it follows logical sense. You can talk to me when you've finished it. You're in the situation because you put yourself in it. Which brings me to my next point.
5. Grow up. When I was your age, someone told me to grow up and I appreciated it. Now I'm telling you to seriously: Grow. Up.
"Revenge List?" Why would you say that?

Now, if you can't follow these instructions then shut the project down and do something else with your life, ok?

My patience has snapped. It's not the time to be subtle now, that time is over. It's time to be blunt, and it's in your best interest to read and appreciate this message. Carrot and stick: You get the stick first, do some work then you'll get the carrot once the work is done. Do yourself a favour.

Here's another screenshot:



Is that clear?

While I do agree with your points, Rtaos- and I understand your frustration, it's just that was put a tad harshly.

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I'm pretty sure that Rtaos is sending a good message to Edgey here. Like he said, Edgey should've made a script for the story instead expecting Rtaos to do all the work around while Edgey's banned.

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First you try the gentle approach, then when no progress is made you take a firm handed approach. If it sounds a tad harsh then that's the point, I have no regrets sending that message. After all, I've put effort into this project.

Too much messing around wastes everyone's time.

I'm done playing nice for this particular situation, the golden days are over, this is a wakeup call. Grow up or give up. Finish it or drop it. Sustain it or kill it. His choice.

This isnt AAO where everyone must play nice, even when the situation requires harsh commenting like were in a MLP universe. Blunt honesty is needed here, especially when time is being wasted on a fangame project.

Its not even that harsh to begin with, his post was rather tame considering he didnt say anything actually insulting to edgey xP. I dont think i could do that if i were in rpgrimms shoes :p

rtoas you made thanks for coming uh how is the the justice turnabout coming good or bad

Hence a "tad" harshly, I didn't say he had completely gutted the guy. Otherwise, I would've reported him straight-out and took action on AAO and CR simultaneously. Qualifiers: an essential part of the English language.

Although the screen-stretching I could do without. =P



Um... edgey2000? He's made a series of great points, it'd be good if you would answer his queries. Rtaos took the time and effort to come over to the site and make an account, and it seems he's quite passionate about these points- not to mention frustrated with lack of a satisfying response at any standards.

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Are you seriously... did you not see...

SCROLL UP!!!!

I uh well uh hi and the investagtion is going to be aa style

That's it? That's your big speech? That's your headline response?

He's trying to avoid the subject. From what I can tell, he never opened a text document containing the script that he's supposed to be doing when he was first banned. It'll be most likely that he's gonna kill this project and leave it.

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Yeah... I'm not hanging around waiting for a bigger response from him. That response he left says it all really.

So officially:

uh rtoas I I I do not give up when I am unban we will contuine work on it

Alright guys lets stop turning this into a public humiliation that's not fair on anyone.

Edgey2000, I reckon if you have anything further to discuss with Rtoas (welcome to the community by the way) you should do it via PM because clearly you guys have some business to discuss if you want this game to go anywhere.

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Let's not turn this topic into a mockery, criticize the problem, not the person.

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There's nothing else to discuss. Just recently I typed a long, informative message for the topic maker and what does he do? Ignores every single word. After all the help I've given! I don't want to be involved with this American anymore, I fully withdraw from this project. This is my farewell address.

At time of writing this post, I'm getting extremely drunk to make up for lost time and effort.

Here's one last screenshot from the case:



Is that enough screenshots now?

I'm done. THE END.

Whoooa... Whoa, guys.



Uh... Maybe somebody really should lock this thread. At this point, it's just turned into a big shamefest. The only real discussion I see of the game itself is people saying it won't happen. There's no point in keeping all of this around.

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Alright, I've done ANOTHER purge of this topic, to try to remove the totally-irrelevant and nonconstructive posts.

From here on out, the posts in this thread should be about the game and should be constructive. Rather than posting about how the game will never get made or something, give edgey advice about what he can work on to improve the quality of his game (although I think it's mostly been covered by now). If you can't figure out how to give your comments constructively, or don't have something constructive to say, just don't post it.

While Rtaos' posts are indeed harsh, he's not being disrespectful or insulting to edgey, although I do ask that if they continue their dispute, they do so in PM.

So yeah. Let's actually be on-topic and constructive now.


EDIT: Posts about whether I appropriately deleted your post are neither on-topic nor constructive.
(But apologies if you think I shouldn't have deleted your post, and I did.)

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Well, it was relevant to your post, haha :P

Back on topic, I guess I'll just mention what I mentioned earlier. I think you should write a short description using all the info you already have... And you do have some info, taking what you wrote in your thread on AAO into account. Try to pay more attention to the grammar and capitalisation because it really does influence player's experience with your work.

Also, basically everything Rtaos said.

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now (break handcuffs) lets get down to bissneus I summon you all here to do one thing
help un ban me say I to not help

rtoas and are not disputing sometime partners on a game have well you know

I think he made himself very clear just now. He's not helping you anymore since you can't read anything he writes.
Also, could you rephrase that last message? I'm not sure did I fully get it.

...What?
I'm sorry but can you please repeat that?
edit: I agree, lock this.

After a little research I actually found your first case The Justice Turnabout, or at least most of it. I played up an finished the first testimony by Daryan so I'd just like to offer some tips on it.

From what I saw it wasn't actually that bad, I don't know why you are hiding so many details about it from what I saw as a beta it seemed...functional. I'm guessing you had help with the dialogue as the characters largely sound correct and the grammar and spelling is proper so I doubt you did it yourself.

Firstly I think it's only a demo as you haven't finished everything, one piece of evidence, the map of the Gatewater hotel is incomplete and can't be presented or displayed.

Second while Edgeworth is largely ok I don't think you've got his view on crime wrong. At one point Franziska says something and Miles thinks "I just need to believe in my client" and that doesn't especially strike me as very 'Edgeworth'. Edgeworth has shown several times that he doesn't mind being on the losing side so long as the truth is found. This would apply even if the defendant was guilty I can imagine Edgeworth working with the opposing team to bring the truth to light. The "believe in my client" is really Phoenix's thing and is kinda helped by the fact he can largely tell who is guilty or not guilty beforehand thanks to the magatama.

Third and this is minor, I get that Franziska has matured a little to the point she doesn't whip people to a pulp now but surely if she is to be increasingly mocking and patronising in it's place she would still maintain her 'Foolish' tic. She hardly called anyone a fool or foolish from what I saw and she had plenty of opportunity. Course if she's matured out of that as well then thats ok but it was said she was more mocking and patronising than before so I just thought that would still be part of it.

Fourth, considering the large time gap between AJ and T&T the older characters like Edgeworth and Franziska haven't matured at all. I realise it might just be placeholders for the demo and you might be planning on updated sprites but just to let you know.

Fifth, Edgeworth...and Kay...are married? Now there's nothing wrong with you pairing whoever you like up in your own project but I didn't really get the impression they were a couple other than...well the monologue saying they were married. Their interactions and dialogue with each other didn't really strike me as anything special and....while it'll seem weird I'm betting the spriting problems are to do with with as well. Kay is only shown in her AAI poses looking off to the left, while it's a first person viewpoint so she is never seeming to actually...look at Edgeworth. Also her sprite model especially needs updated for older!Kay seeing as she would have done a fair bit of growing and maturing to look less of a kid back then. However perhaps just some dialogue fixes would make it more believable.

Finally, It's just how you've used some sprites. The way you've used Apollo's bench sprites when he's not behind the defence attorney's bench I saw his legs disappear sometime so you'd need some sprites for that. Also his objection from the witness stand didn't really work because it positioned him to the left of the witness stand and so looked odd. Kay too as I've mentioned has the occasional problems, mostly in that she never looks at the player as I said.

Other than a few coding issues with Kay's sprite talking when she isn't at the start there does seem some potential here. I especially think Daryan and Franziska have some good chemistry in a detective/prosecutor team as you've shown. Just need to iron out the kinks and definitely get whoever is checking your grammar and spelling for that case back on board.

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You found the case? Odd, I can't seem to find it on the site.

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http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/manager.php?recherche=lngeen,favc0%201,autepapasbuddy

List of his cases. Maybe you mistook it for other case.

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Last edited by Sligneris on Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:33 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Well I thought I was done here but I keep an eye on this thread in case papasbuddy/edgey2000 decides to grow some backbone and reply to my points in detail, but what do I find this time? Someone has found the case? I'm not sure how anyone found it as it's not set to complete. Sligneris, the case isn't in that list, the one you're looking for is The Justice Turnabout. But since someone has found the case and everyone will leave feedback about it, I'll need to clarify a few things before people ask more questions.

Look at his cases in the list Sligneris has brought up and compare that to The Justice Turnabout. It looks like it's written by two different people (that's confirmed when you look at ALL his posts in forums). That's correct. I wrote The Justice Turnabout.

The idea was I would teach papasbuddy/edgey2000 to create a case properly (how to give details, write dialogue, etc.). I wrote the most important part (the start which amounts to 25%, that's two testimonies) to provide a base structure so he could see how a case is made. Then he would write the rest (75%) and I would check over it correcting any mistakes or missing details. This was originally his idea and he was supposed to include this in the first post:

"Edgeworth is now a defence attorney." Was that so hard!?

Obviously, since this is his idea and I would ghost some of it, I expected to receive all details about the case. That didn't happen. I had to ask "why does this happen?" And "can you expand this?" Every time I asked, I received a one line answer from him so I had to reply: "What else?" Received a one line answer. And so on and so forth until I received sufficient details, but I didn't even receive sufficient details. I had to fill in most of the blanks myself.

Pierre: At the end of Daryan's second testimony, he says this line: "i mean he used detention center video tape i mean come on." I have no idea what that means and he never explained enough so I could never change it. I don't know what he knows, I'm not a mind reader. This is how hard it is to get details about his case, and I'm the writer. The premise, the crime itself (though I inputted on this point heavily), the fact that Daryan is here and the fact that Kay and Edgeworth are married were his ideas, I just wrote the script so what happens when I don't get the details needed? And he never wrote the remainder.

You've raised a couple of good points Pierre which I will answer. The way I make cases is I write the script, then check over it looking for points to add more dialogue. I would added the "fool" tic after papasbuddy/edgey completed his 75% (but he never made a start...) and I checked over it. As for sprites... well I'm not a sprite artist. Neither is papasbuddy/edgey even though he made his own sprite thread, but guess what? There aren't any sprites. So editing the sprites to look older is out of the question for either of us. He kept going on about sprites but that was for Athena and Blackquill, and he was going on about that even though the first case wasn't even close to being completed.

I tried to teach him the proper way of making a case, how to write posts and behaving in public (why would I have to teach him that?) but it didn't work. He was banned twice as you all know. You've all seen proof of how he constantly ignores people even me, the one person who thought he could learn. He ignored my advice on how to write, he ignored my advice on how to give details and how details are the most important thing and when he ignored everything in that post I left, that was the last straw. At present, he will never learn. It will have to be in the future. A teacher cannot teach someone who doesn't want to learn. I help him, I show him how to write, and this is how he repays me. I just wanted to teach him how to write! Is that so bad?

I'm not sure how you found it Pierre, but that's my work. And since I've withdrawn from this project for a number of clear reasons, what are the odds he'll start writing like me now? I'm done, any questions about the story ask papasbuddy/edgey2000 but good luck getting any detailed answers. He never even told me about the event of why Edgeworth made the attorney change.

So what does all that tell you?

Well... I played a few of those cases and I... was wrong.
The games he made were... absolute nonsense. (No wonder why Rtaos was having a hard time guessing what edgey is trying to say.)
Every time you press a statement, the defense says "okay".
Example:



The intros are basically irrelevant background with badly written generic text.
Example:



And don't forget the bad grammar. (I don't need examples.)
I'll just avoid this thread and move on.

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Ah...well that's a shame, I thought perhaps with the right help he could have made something passable or interesting as it was always clear someone had helped since the spelling and stuff is done correctly.

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those were some of my past trials my first ones

pierre where is it give me a link NOW

You've got a kind way of asking for it

How about you calm down, ask nicely, or go find it yourself it wasn't hard.

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perrie I am sorry can you please put a link on here

I'll just do it.

http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=49266

(Grimm, if you're wondering how people found it, all I had to do was go into Google and search for the exact term "The Justice Turnabout")