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I'm a bit miffed at my mom. Renovating this week, her room and the living room, with my room maybe being done later on. My room is smaller, so it would take only one day, rather than two or more. Once her room has been plastered and painted, she started cleaning things into the wardrobe again and such, and I asked if the hallway should stay the same moved-around mess it was or that could be altered.

I asked since maybe they were gonna move the living room stuff out through the hallway into the staircase.

She looked impatient, told me "Patience, Jackass. But if you feel like moving things around, go ahead. When it's time for your room, you can get all involved in it as much as you want."

Now... I know that I did not help out a lot in moving things in or out of her room or the painting. But that's because nobody asked for my help. If they had asked me to help with the painting or so, I would've done so immediately. But not asking and then sounding like they're pissed because I didn't help, that annoys me.

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I agree that your mother was out of line in snapping at you. I don't know what kind of relationship you two have with each other but I would think that she loves you in her own way. It also sounds like you didn't include the part about "move the living room stuff out through the hallway into the staircase" when you asked her your question. She probably translated your question as, "Why haven't you moved this stuff out of the hallway yet?!", and that was the point at which she lost her patience.

However, as a general rule, it's considered good form to pitch in and help out with big cleaning or moving projects that affect the household, even if no one asks you to, because it shows that you care about the space you live in. People find that kind of responsibility very mature and impressive. I remember that when my older brother lived with my friend and I that he would get really annoyed when he was the only one vacuuming, washing dishes, etc. while we just sat on our butts and watched TV or play video games. It wasn't until he moved out that I realized I had mistaken his impatience as mere rudeness and not that he was trying to make me develop a sense of maturity and responsibility.

Whatever the case happened to be, don't let such a minor heated moment ruin your day.

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That thing about not helping happened to me a while back. I forgot what my mom was trying to do, but she complained about me not helping, and I replied that she never asked, which she replied with something along the lines of "I shouldn't have to ask, you should offer to help automatically!" I don't get her at all, but I still love her.
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You are one of those kinds that are constantly worried about their usefulness?


Mh? No, don't think so. It's just that, since nobody asked me for any help, I kept myself busy and out of their way so they could work. Like I said, if they wanted me to help, all they had to do is ask - or even tell me - to do something and I would.

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That's so ISTP.
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May I ask what ISTP stands for?
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May I ask what ISTP stands for?


I think it's a reference to the personality test thread where your type is abbreviated into what you are? Introverted... something... Theortic and Persisent? XD
I forget.

But I can't help automatically, because I would worry too much that my helping is actually not helping and that I'm actually more in their way. Besides, my mom has lived with me for 23 years by now, she should know how socially awkward I am about helping. Heck, she herself dislikes asking for help in general, because she doesn't want to feel helpless by doing so.
Even if that's not the case.

As for caring about where I live... sure, a redecorated and repainted living room may be nice but overall... I don't care... I overall don't even care much for repainting my own room.

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May I ask what ISTP stands for?


I think it's a reference to the personality test thread where your type is abbreviated into what you are? Introverted... something... Theortic and Persisent? XD
I forget.

But I can't help automatically, because I would worry too much that my helping is actually not helping and that I'm actually more in their way. Besides, my mom has lived with me for 23 years by now, she should know how socially awkward I am about helping. Heck, she herself dislikes asking for help in general, because she doesn't want to feel helpless by doing so.
Even if that's not the case.

As for caring about where I live... sure, a redecorated and repainted living room may be nice but overall... I don't care... I overall don't even care much for repainting my own room.

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ISTP for you

We're not saying automatically help because yeah...you might get in the way but if you offer to help then perhaps there is something you can do for them that wouldn't be so intrusive to them. In the end it's a show of goodwill that you want to help at least.
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Well I brought down the old paper, now that the paper bin has been cleared... I guess that's something.

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So my mom has some friends from her church who invited us over to Thanksgiving dinner last night. I've known them for a while, since I used to go to church with them. They're a likable bunch of people: their house is small and crammed but always clean and welcoming, and they do a good job of teaching their seven kids to be disciplined and supporting of each other and the household.

So, after we eat dinner, I go into the living room to watch the football game that's on with a couple of other guys who were already in there. A little while later, the husband of the family walks in and starts a conversation with the guy he's sitting next to. They're both retired Air Force guys and enjoyed talking about their lives when they were in the military, cracking jokes about the Navy and the Army and how their worst day in the Air Force was better than their best day in either one.

Then somehow, and I mean SOMEHOW, the guy uses this conversation as a tangent to rail against "everything that's wrong with society today". I when I say everything, I mean EVERYTHING. He starts going on a tirade against gun laws and disobedient youth and schools trying to brainwash kids to feel alienated from their parents just like how Hitler did to the Hitler Youth and how the government is trying to control it's people and how the Federal Reserve is going to divide the world up into ten separate nations and how Obama is trying to make himself King of America and how 9/11 was an inside job and Illuminati this and New World Order that and blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAH. I swear, he does this EVERY TIME we come over for Easter or Thanksgiving or Christmas, dumping his biased paranoia and anecdotal hogwash onto all of us and dominating the conversation for who-knows-how long. Not even halfway through his two hour rant I wanted to just get up and walk out of the house, but thought that it would be immature and ignorant to leave because the things he was saying were making me uncomfortable. So I decided to bite the bullet, hold my tongue, and try to enjoy the game in silence while he continued his rant and the two cronies around him simply nodded their heads in agreement the WHOLE FREAKING TIME.

I know the guy well enough to know that he's not a bad guy, that he's just looking out for his family's safety, but it baffles me how he manages to warp and slant and demonize every single little aspect of the government as if the truth is something that's as clear as glass and not buried underneath an endless mudslide of sketchy, misleading, and incomplete information. Even now I'm still a bit steamed from his sheer ignorance and deluded dogmatic conservatism.

I don't want this to be a road block in our relationship with each other, and he and his wife cook such good food, but I swear if I have to listen to this guy's wild truther accusations every time I go over for dinner I'm going to blow a fuse.
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I hate people like that, too. Conspiracy theorists who think that everything bad that happens is done by the government. I heard people say that the Sandy Hook Massacre was set up by the government to enforce gun laws, and I wanted to just scream! When I think of these types of people, I compare them to Bosco from Sam And Max, who I'm pretty sure is meant to be a parody of conspiracy theorists. There's people like that in Canada, too, my former taxi driver said that Prime Minister Candidate Jack Layton was murdered by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who made it look like he died of cancer.
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my former taxi driver said that Prime Minister Candidate Jack Layton was murdered by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who made it look like he died of cancer.


Best planned murder, ever. :gant-clap:

Bear Jew, why not interrupt his rant with some comment that seems off-hand or so? Does he go off about foreigners or so? Considering he says Obama wants to be King of America... Although if he talks too loudly, you may want to just tell him next to him please quiet down a bit because he is drowning out the TV.
Cause I think turning the TV volume up would count as immature...

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Though I don't believe in most conspiracy theories, stuff like the JFK assassination and the whole NSA security leak has convinced me to never trust the U.S. government or any government for that matter. They treat all of us like children in need of "guidance." With the government in this country composed of mostly old straight white Christian men, they try to force their own bullshit morals onto us and make it "law." These people are the reason why gays and lesbians can't get get married, while abortions are still frowned upon.

But I also think that without government you'd inevitably have chaos, though the amount of it would vary from country to country. During Hurricane Katrina, the areas hit saw tons of riots and stolen property. During the 2011 Japanese earthquake and tsunami, you saw nary a store robbed or people causing trouble. I guess as Thomas Paine puts it, government is a "necessary evil" that's always going to be around.
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I'd rather not talk about governments here -- I'll probably just talk too much and end up forgetting about the main subject here. But let's just say that this whole "political representation" concept is a joke.

I like to talk about conspiracy theories, but I hate when these conservatives use most of the theories to victimize themselves like there's an evil force trying to oppress their ideology (when generally they are the ones trying to oppress people)
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Though I don't believe in most conspiracy theories, stuff like the JFK assassination and the whole NSA security leak has convinced me to never trust the U.S. government or any government for that matter. They treat all of us like children in need of "guidance." With the government in this country composed of mostly old straight white Christian men, they try to force their own bullshit morals onto us and make it "law." These people are the reason why gays and lesbians can't get get married, while abortions are still frowned upon.

But I also think that without government you'd inevitably have chaos, though the amount of it would vary from country to country. During Hurricane Katrina, the areas hit saw tons of riots and stolen property. During the 2011 Japanese earthquake and tsunami, you saw nary a store robbed or people causing trouble. I guess as Thomas Paine puts it, government is a "necessary evil" that's always going to be around.


I'm actually seeing the government going in a much different way. The people you described are more in the minority and are being done and away with and even then, those that are still like that are most likely Republican. It's why the stuff you mentioned is much more accepted than it was 20 years ago. Besides, I see morality and Christianity as two different things, and I honestly get more of a "moral" sense from these few representatives rather than Christianity. I define moral loosely because in the end, it's all about trying to please people to get votes to stay in office. It honestly sickens me. Both parties, I see, care more about themselves than the people they're supposed to represent and protect.

If I'm overstepping myself, then please feel free to ignore my question, I don't want to potentially start something. I'm not going to defend or argue your viewpoint, I just want to see your stance on this. Why do you hate Christians?
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I'd rather not talk about governments here -- I'll probably just talk too much and end up forgetting about the main subject here. But let's just say that this whole "political representation" concept is a joke.

I like to talk about conspiracy theories, but I hate when these conservatives use most of the theories to victimize themselves like there's an evil force trying to oppress their ideology (when generally they are the ones trying to oppress people)


That's basically what all politics can be surmised of. A bunch of people who just want their own self-interests fulfilled. They don't care about you or me, just about themselves.

There are liberals that blame the conservatives for things like 9/11 and vice-versa. Personally, I think that both sides are full of shit. Along with religion, I hate politics and I normally try to stay out of it. There's just no point.
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I'm actually seeing the government going in a much different way. The people you described are more in the minority and are being done and away with and even then, those that are still like that are most likely Republican. It's why the stuff you mentioned is much more accepted than it was 20 years ago. Besides, I see morality and Christianity as two different things, and I honestly get more of a "moral" sense from these few representatives rather than Christianity. I define moral loosely because in the end, it's all about trying to please people to get votes to stay in office. It honestly sickens me. Both parties, I see, care more about themselves than the people they're supposed to represent and protect.

If I'm overstepping myself, then please feel free to ignore my question, I don't want to potentially start something. I'm not going to defend or argue your viewpoint, I just want to see your stance on this. Why do you hate Christians?


This video sums up my views pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ObmnxlIcs

I don't hate Christians, I hate their irrational beliefs and dogmas that are based upon fear and superstition. Some take it more seriously than others, and I know some Christians that are good people in my book. But I refuse to ever respect the beliefs themselves and I will never support religion in any way shape or form. I could go on, but I have absolutely nothing more to say to you, so I'm giving you a fair warning now. I'll never respond to any more of your future posts. Don't even bother trying to talk to me anymore. When we last spoke, you said that atheists deserved Hell and essentially stated that we're worse than people like Hitler and serial killers. I refuse to have a civil discussion with someone who thinks like that. People like you aren't worth my time. That's the end of the subject. Good day.
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Speculation is fine to a certain point. I don't think there's anything to be gained from taking conspiracy theories as fact, and I try to stay away from people who get a little too aggressive about something they will likely never prove. And honestly, I think these are people who just want to feel noble by complaining about injustice and coverups, but if confronted, would have no real solution in mind.

I also don't care much for the types that dimentiorules mentioned.

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Personally, I think that both sides are full of shit.


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That's basically what all politics can be surmised of. A bunch of people who just want their own self-interests fulfilled. They don't care about you or me, just about themselves.


And that is one of the reasons why I don't believe in political representation.

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And honestly, I think these are people who just want to feel noble by complaining about injustice and coverups, but if confronted, would have no real solution in mind.


I think their idea of a "solution" to the "injustices" must be something authoritarian...
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I'm only a lurker here, so please try to forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds, but... let me offer you a fresh perspective.

Spoiler: "Under the cut for length"
First: please understand where I'm coming from. I'm not telling you any of this to be patronizing, and I by no means wish to lord my experiences over yours. But, a lot of what you've said rings true to (teenage) me. I used to be a bitter, cynical teenager; I used to feel trapped in my circumstances, overworked, under appreciated. I used to be angry and lonely and without a place in the world or a foreseeable future; I had no friends for the longest time (and fell in with some unfortunate people) - I understand.

All teenagers feel that way at some point. Even the ones you think have it all together, they're as confused and miserable as you are sometimes. Some have it just as bad as you. Some have it worse. Does that mean your experiences don't count? No! It simply means that your life now isn't really your life. You're just now starting to become who you are. It's awful now, I don't doubt that. But when people who've been there, people who care to offer their help to you in kind words, when those people tell you "it really does get better", don't dismiss them out of hand. If you're too sad right now to even consider hope for a better future, don't think of it as a definite, but as a possibility. Think of it as "it CAN get better."

You seem angry with the world. Good! Be angry enough to do something about your awful life. See everything you can't stand around you as if it's a physical box, closing you in. Now imagine everything you want life to be on the outside. Be furious enough, and hopeful enough, to punch your way out into the real world. Someone in this thread suggested you think about your passions, and you mentioned your hobbies; that's not what they meant! Your passions aren't your distractions, or things you enjoy doing in the free time you have. They're what you strive for, what make your life worthwhile. Think of your life's goal: is there a career you want? Do you want to find love? Wealth? Peace with yourself? Do you want to fight for a cause? To help people? To save a species of animal, or a habitat, or provide fresh water to people in need? Do you want to help people like you get out of awful situations? You aren't satisfied with the government: do you want to fight for governmental reform? To get money out of politics? (Assuming you're American) To abolish the unfair two-party system and allow for fairer elections?

Choose what you want to make of your life, and make it happen. Then, instead of lamenting how things get worse every day, you'll have something to strive for. You'll be honestly able to say to yourself that every day is one day closer to your goal.

I won't lie to you, the world at large is a rough place, too. You think you're busy now, and when you have to fully support yourself, it's going to be a whole lot harder for a while. It's going to be a pain to get there, too. You're going to have to go through a lot more terrible stuff before you get what you want ("it's always darkest before the dawn" is a cliche for a reason)... But you'll be freer. I won't say free - freedom, like happiness, is a process, not a destination. But you won't be constrained by anything you hate now, not if you don't let it. Not if you take a stand for yourself and fight. You aren't your worst enemy; your apathy and cynicism are. It's a catch-22: what you manifest is what begets you. If you think the world is a terrible place, you're only going to find exactly what you expect.

Now, I'm not you. I can't possibly understand how you feel, personally. No one but you will ever really know. ... You still have to let people try to help. If you shut yourself off to possibilities, to encouragement, to even the most basic words of support from strangers over the internet... well, I'm not going to mince words: you've doomed yourself. Some people make it; some don't. Don't resign yourself to the second category; you're stronger than that. You're damn right that this life is the only thing you're guaranteed. Don't pass it up.

And, a word of advice: nothing is inherently good, and nothing is inherently evil. Liberals are not Democrats, and conservatives are not Republicans. Christianity is not the only religion, and is not the model for religions. Just because institutional Christianity is used as a political tool by certain right-wingers, or used as a reason for hatred, it doesn't make the teachings immoral. Morality is not the same as religion, no. But there have been religious leaders that fought for good (MLK? Mother Teresa? The Dalai Lama?), and people who have done horrible things with no basis in their religious faith. It's okay to be an atheist in the strictest sense (not believing in any Gods), but it's hurtful and close minded to say you'll never accept a part of someone else that isn't hurting someone, no matter what it is. Organized religion is not personal faith in God. You say that you can't stand either side of the political spectrum - assuming you don't mean Democrats and Republicans, which are two sides of a very similar coin - you're being hypocritical. Devout, organized atheism is religious extremism. The Amazing Atheist and Richard Dawkins are religious leaders; they are promoting their (lack of) faith as the One Truth. Be an atheist, there's no shame in it. If people say hateful things to you for it, they're in the wrong. But don't believe for a second that it makes you more enlightened, more intellectual, more right than a religious person's faith. You are no better than Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, or Pagans, or Buddhists, or anything else, solely based on what you do or do not believe. They should accept you, but you should accept them - majority or minority. If a woman told you that she'd never truly accept you because men are oppressors, though it's not personally your fault women are at a disadvantage in society, would you be hurt? Assuming you're straight: if a gay person, or a bisexual one, told you your sexuality was wrong, though it's something out of your power, something that makes you feel right in yourself... wouldn't that bother you? Respect flows both ways.


I don't know if any of this will get through to you (I know I likely would have brushed it off), but I hope you keep an open mind - both about others, and about yourself. People aren't all good, but they aren't evil, either. Best of luck.

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I'm only a lurker here, so please try to forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds, but... let me offer you a fresh perspective.

Spoiler: "Under the cut for length"
First: please understand where I'm coming from. I'm not telling you any of this to be patronizing, and I by no means wish to lord my experiences over yours. But, a lot of what you've said rings true to (teenage) me. I used to be a bitter, cynical teenager; I used to feel trapped in my circumstances, overworked, under appreciated. I used to be angry and lonely and without a place in the world or a foreseeable future; I had no friends for the longest time (and fell in with some unfortunate people) - I understand.

All teenagers feel that way at some point. Even the ones you think have it all together, they're as confused and miserable as you are sometimes. Some have it just as bad as you. Some have it worse. Does that mean your experiences don't count? No! It simply means that your life now isn't really your life. You're just now starting to become who you are. It's awful now, I don't doubt that. But when people who've been there, people who care to offer their help to you in kind words, when those people tell you "it really does get better", don't dismiss them out of hand. If you're too sad right now to even consider hope for a better future, don't think of it as a definite, but as a possibility. Think of it as "it CAN get better."

You seem angry with the world. Good! Be angry enough to do something about your awful life. See everything you can't stand around you as if it's a physical box, closing you in. Now imagine everything you want life to be on the outside. Be furious enough, and hopeful enough, to punch your way out into the real world. Someone in this thread suggested you think about your passions, and you mentioned your hobbies; that's not what they meant! Your passions aren't your distractions, or things you enjoy doing in the free time you have. They're what you strive for, what make your life worthwhile. Think of your life's goal: is there a career you want? Do you want to find love? Wealth? Peace with yourself? Do you want to fight for a cause? To help people? To save a species of animal, or a habitat, or provide fresh water to people in need? Do you want to help people like you get out of awful situations? You aren't satisfied with the government: do you want to fight for governmental reform? To get money out of politics? (Assuming you're American) To abolish the unfair two-party system and allow for fairer elections?

Choose what you want to make of your life, and make it happen. Then, instead of lamenting how things get worse every day, you'll have something to strive for. You'll be honestly able to say to yourself that every day is one day closer to your goal.

I won't lie to you, the world at large is a rough place, too. You think you're busy now, and when you have to fully support yourself, it's going to be a whole lot harder for a while. It's going to be a pain to get there, too. You're going to have to go through a lot more terrible stuff before you get what you want ("it's always darkest before the dawn" is a cliche for a reason)... But you'll be freer. I won't say free - freedom, like happiness, is a process, not a destination. But you won't be constrained by anything you hate now, not if you don't let it. Not if you take a stand for yourself and fight. You aren't your worst enemy; your apathy and cynicism are. It's a catch-22: what you manifest is what begets you. If you think the world is a terrible place, you're only going to find exactly what you expect.

Now, I'm not you. I can't possibly understand how you feel, personally. No one but you will ever really know. ... You still have to let people try to help. If you shut yourself off to possibilities, to encouragement, to even the most basic words of support from strangers over the internet... well, I'm not going to mince words: you've doomed yourself. Some people make it; some don't. Don't resign yourself to the second category; you're stronger than that. You're damn right that this life is the only thing you're guaranteed. Don't pass it up.

And, a word of advice: nothing is inherently good, and nothing is inherently evil. Liberals are not Democrats, and conservatives are not Republicans. Christianity is not the only religion, and is not the model for religions. Just because institutional Christianity is used as a political tool by certain right-wingers, or used as a reason for hatred, it doesn't make the teachings immoral. Morality is not the same as religion, no. But there have been religious leaders that fought for good (MLK? Mother Teresa? The Dalai Lama?), and people who have done horrible things with no basis in their religious faith. It's okay to be an atheist in the strictest sense (not believing in any Gods), but it's hurtful and close minded to say you'll never accept a part of someone else that isn't hurting someone, no matter what it is. Organized religion is not personal faith in God. You say that you can't stand either side of the political spectrum - assuming you don't mean Democrats and Republicans, which are two sides of a very similar coin - you're being hypocritical. Devout, organized atheism is religious extremism. The Amazing Atheist and Richard Dawkins are religious leaders; they are promoting their (lack of) faith as the One Truth. Be an atheist, there's no shame in it. If people say hateful things to you for it, they're in the wrong. But don't believe for a second that it makes you more enlightened, more intellectual, more right than a religious person's faith. You are no better than Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, or Pagans, or Buddhists, or anything else, solely based on what you do or do not believe. They should accept you, but you should accept them - majority or minority. If a woman told you that she'd never truly accept you because men are oppressors, though it's not personally your fault women are at a disadvantage in society, would you be hurt? Assuming you're straight: if a gay person, or a bisexual one, told you your sexuality was wrong, though it's something out of your power, something that makes you feel right in yourself... wouldn't that bother you? Respect flows both ways.


I don't know if any of this will get through to you (I know I likely would have brushed it off), but I hope you keep an open mind - both about others, and about yourself. People aren't all good, but they aren't evil, either. Best of luck.

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That's actually really insightful I'm glad you opted to speak up with such a quality statement.
Though I thought it was generally agreed we keep politics and religion out of this place :ron: I mean venting is all well and good but some things could be perceived as an attack ona persons beliefs and no offense professor but you ain't exactly soft with your words.
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You seem angry with the world. Good! Be angry enough to do something about your awful life. See everything you can't stand around you as if it's a physical box, closing you in. Now imagine everything you want life to be on the outside. Be furious enough, and hopeful enough, to punch your way out into the real world. Someone in this thread suggested you think about your passions, and you mentioned your hobbies; that's not what they meant! Your passions aren't your distractions, or things you enjoy doing in the free time you have. They're what you strive for, what make your life worthwhile. Think of your life's goal: is there a career you want? Do you want to find love? Wealth? Peace with yourself? Do you want to fight for a cause? To help people? To save a species of animal, or a habitat, or provide fresh water to people in need? Do you want to help people like you get out of awful situations? You aren't satisfied with the government: do you want to fight for governmental reform? To get money out of politics? (Assuming you're American) To abolish the unfair two-party system and allow for fairer elections?


Listen pal, when you boil everything down I'm still just a kid. I have too many things right now to think about to even consider what you just said. I feel absolutely worthless and I can't even think that way at this point. I've tried and tried and tried to make things better for me but nothing ever changes. And you also have to consider that I'm just one person. There's no way I can reform the entire American government system. And don't just say "You can do anything if you try." I'm not saying that because I don't want to. I'm saying this because I'm being realistic. This system is far too broken beyond repair at this point. There's no such thing as "fair" elections because the people have no representation in politics. That's never going to change.

Help people? Yeah, right. No one in my life even wants to help me and I have far too many pressing matters to take care of. And to be quite honest, I'm really sick of people by this point.

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You're being too optimistic. There are people out there who thought exactly that way and it brought them nowhere. I'm not "one day closer" to any goals. All it is is simply another day for me.

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I won't lie to you, the world at large is a rough place, too. You think you're busy now, and when you have to fully support yourself, it's going to be a whole lot harder for a while. It's going to be a pain to get there, too. You're going to have to go through a lot more terrible stuff before you get what you want ("it's always darkest before the dawn" is a cliche for a reason)... But you'll be freer. I won't say free - freedom, like happiness, is a process, not a destination. But you won't be constrained by anything you hate now, not if you don't let it. Not if you take a stand for yourself and fight. You aren't your worst enemy; your apathy and cynicism are. It's a catch-22: what you manifest is what begets you. If you think the world is a terrible place, you're only going to find exactly what you expect.


That's what I've been trying to tell myself every single day. And what difference does freedom make? The world still is a terrible place. And that's never going to change either. I'm noticing a pattern over here. Nothing ever changes.

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Now, I'm not you. I can't possibly understand how you feel, personally. No one but you will ever really know. ... You still have to let people try to help. If you shut yourself off to possibilities, to encouragement, to even the most basic words of support from strangers over the internet... well, I'm not going to mince words: you've doomed yourself. Some people make it; some don't. Don't resign yourself to the second category; you're stronger than that. You're damn right that this life is the only thing you're guaranteed. Don't pass it up.


Great then, I guess I've doomed myself. Thanks for that. It's not that I don't want to hear your advice, it's that it doesn't help. You said it yourself, you can't understand I feel. Because no one understands, no one's advice will ever be able to help me. I'm on my own.

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And, a word of advice: nothing is inherently good, and nothing is inherently evil.


I guess things like Nazism and the KKK don't count, huh?

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All religion is bullshit, buddy. When you boil it down, it's the irrational belief in fairy tales and invisible men in the sky. I'm a man of logic and reason. Unless you have evidence to prove something, I'll never accept it.

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(MLK? Mother Teresa? The Dalai Lama?)


No qualms with with MLK, but Mother Teresa was a cold bitch that put people who could have been treated in "Houses of Suffering." These places had no medicine or any other forms of treatment. These people could have been helped, but instead they were left to suffer because Teresa thought that they'd be "closer to Christ." If the Dalai Lama was in power, it wouldn't be good for the country. There's actually a good video here that shows why. You don't have to watch it if you don't want to though.
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The Amazing Atheist and Richard Dawkins are religious leaders; they are promoting their (lack of) faith as the One Truth.


Stop right there. I sort of had you before, but now I can't take you serious at all. First off, atheism isn't a religion. I'll say this a hundred times. And secondly, it has absolutely nothing to do with faith. People are atheists because they require EVIDENCE. There is no evidence supporting the existence of gods so that's why we don't believe. Thirdly, most atheists are "agnostic atheists," including Dakwins and The Amazing Atheist. We don't believe in God, but we also say that you can't prove or disprove the existence of one. You can't prove or disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Russel's Teapot, or unicorns no more than you can prove God. No one is saying anything about the "One Truth." It always makes my blood boil to hear these same BS arguments over and over again.

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You are no better than Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, or Pagans, or Buddhists, or anything else, solely based on what you do or do not believe. They should accept you, but you should accept them - majority or minority. If a woman told you that she'd never truly accept you because men are oppressors, though it's not personally your fault women are at a disadvantage in society, would you be hurt? Assuming you're straight: if a gay person, or a bisexual one, told you your sexuality was wrong, though it's something out of your power, something that makes you feel right in yourself... wouldn't that bother you? Respect flows both ways.


As long as you still believe in fairy tales, nope I'll never respect that belief. Show me evidence, show me proof that you can prove your religion and then I'll accept and "respect" it. I can respect the person themselves if they are a genuinely good and caring, but I refuse to ever respect religion itself. Understand this. I'm attacking the belief, not the people. There's a huge difference there most people still don't get. Oh, and I wouldn't really care. If someone told me that, I'd just ignore them. It's their own opinion and they're entitled to it.

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Though I thought it was generally agreed we keep politics and religion out of this place :ron: I mean venting is all well and good but some things could be perceived as an attack ona persons beliefs and no offense professor but you ain't exactly soft with your words.


Of course it's an attack on religion. I hate religion and I'm entitled to my own thoughts. There's no use being "soft" around that and I never will be. If you don't want to hear that, don't bring it up or just ignore my posts.
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Though I thought it was generally agreed we keep politics and religion out of this place :ron: I mean venting is all well and good but some things could be perceived as an attack ona persons beliefs and no offense professor but you ain't exactly soft with your words.


Of course it's an attack on religion. I hate religion and I'm entitled to my own thoughts. There's no use being "soft" around that and I never will be. If you don't want to hear that, don't bring it up or just ignore my posts.

Isn't this exactly why we agreed to keep arguments about politics and religion out of this place? At the end of the day, nothing is accomplished, no one's faith (or lack thereof) is changed, and everyone leaves with bitter feelings. Plus, this argument almost always derails the conversation from whatever topic was being discussed earlier, because neither side has it in them to be the bigger man and just let it go.
I actually wrote about this in a term paper for my college English course. Not that it has any bearing on what we're talking about right now.
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Though I thought it was generally agreed we keep politics and religion out of this place :ron: I mean venting is all well and good but some things could be perceived as an attack ona persons beliefs and no offense professor but you ain't exactly soft with your words.


Of course it's an attack on religion. I hate religion and I'm entitled to my own thoughts. There's no use being "soft" around that and I never will be. If you don't want to hear that, don't bring it up or just ignore my posts.

Isn't this exactly why we agreed to keep arguments about politics and religion out of this place? At the end of the day, nothing is accomplished, no one's faith (or lack thereof) is changed, and everyone leaves with bitter feelings. Plus, this argument almost always derails the conversation from whatever topic was being discussed earlier, because neither side has it in them to be the bigger man and just let it go.
I actually wrote about this in a term paper for my college English course. Not that it has any bearing on what we're talking about right now.


I'm only talking about it because that's what the discussion led to. If you don't like it, don't bring it up like I said to Pierre.
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TopHatProfessor, I'm glad you referred to yourself as a kid and acknowledge that. But I have to say, I am a little bit sick of your venting and your posting at times. You constantly just make long posts about how your life is shit and everybody sucks and nothing you can do about it, you just gotta pull through it.
Yes. You have to pull through it. Just do that, don't continuously tell us that you have to do that. Do it.

Also, I am also not a great believer in religion. I do not see the point in it, except as an emotional crutch for other people. I don't understand them and I don't have to. But nobody says that you have to respect their religion or their belief. Just acknowledge that they have their belief and let it go.
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Wow this is going to be tough. Like other said you let it go. Example, I hate religion as much as I hate talking about my (non existant) love life. So when it come in a conversation what I do? Make a joke and half a second later quickly change the subject. There is nothing to do with the world (in a sense out point of view is quite similar) so what to do? Being angry about it? Nah it will only make things worse. I won't tell you crap about "changing you life or living life to the fullest, or the classic don't worry be happy". The only thing I can tell you is to endure it till the end and assume this choice that is enduring. After all I do this for like 5 years or so,I avoid things I don't like and endure the pain that come with it.

Life is just a compromise between oneself existence and the others. Nothing very complicated, yet quite annoying. Welcome in the circle of life! A crappy, shitty vicious circle of life! There is a place for everybody in here!


As a change of subject, anyone here in deep shit for the end of the semester?! I feel dooommmedddd.
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Hey guys, let me state for the record that I identify as a Christian and certainly don't hate anyone with a different viewpoint; heck, my older brother and several of my friends, including my best friend that I've known since 8th grade, are atheists but I love them all the same. I was just getting tired of hearing the guy drone on and on about conspiracy theories with nothing but baseless conjecture to back up them up. My venting had absolutely nothing to do with his religious compass, so if I opened the floodgates to this conversation then I apologize. I'll probably go back to their place for dinner next time but the second he begins his mad ravings I'm bolting!
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TopHatProfessor, I'm glad you referred to yourself as a kid and acknowledge that. But I have to say, I am a little bit sick of your venting and your posting at times. You constantly just make long posts about how your life is shit and everybody sucks and nothing you can do about it, you just gotta pull through it.
Yes. You have to pull through it. Just do that, don't continuously tell us that you have to do that. Do it.

Also, I am also not a great believer in religion. I do not see the point in it, except as an emotional crutch for other people. I don't understand them and I don't have to. But nobody says that you have to respect their religion or their belief. Just acknowledge that they have their belief and let it go.
If somebody starts talking religion to you, be commonly polite and say that you do not like to discuss religion for personal reasons... and if that doesn't keep them quiet, go away. Nobody forces you to be around such people, anyway.

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Great, just what I needed to hear. You're sick of me and so is everybody else. I don't need this. I don't need to hear any of this from you people. I don't care anymore. I don't care about anything anymore. No one cares about me. I'm alone. I have absolutely nothing. Just forget about everything. I won't be posting here again since you people obviously can't stand me or my posts. Maybe I'll just leave completely like Emiko and Gnobo did. No one would care and no one would miss me. Just like everybody else in my miserable goddam life.
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As a change of subject, anyone here in deep shit for the end of the semester?! I feel dooommmedddd.


That's a pretty big "doomed". What makes you say that?
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So I was waiting to hear back from a job interview for Sainsburys. At first I called them and I was told to contact HR. I called HR and they said call the shop. Explaining my situation HR said they'd tell the shop to call me within 48 hours. Two days later and nothing. So I call HR again and they apologise and say they'll send a second message marked urgent. Days later I call them up again with no news and the best they tell me is call the shop again. So I do and they try and pass me off to HR again. I persist this time and eventually they go to look it up.

I'm told the interview was fine and great, nothing wrong with it. Except apparently they don't hire anyone unless they live within 3 miles...and no one at any point in the process had thought to tell me.
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So I was waiting to hear back from a job interview for Sainsburys. At first I called them and I was told to contact HR. I called HR and they said call the shop. Explaining my situation HR said they'd tell the shop to call me within 48 hours. Two days later and nothing. So I call HR again and they apologise and say they'll send a second message marked urgent. Days later I call them up again with no news and the best they tell me is call the shop again. So I do and they try and pass me off to HR again. I persist this time and eventually they go to look it up.

I'm told the interview was fine and great, nothing wrong with it. Except apparently they don't hire anyone unless they live within 3 miles...and no one at any point in the process had thought to tell me.


That's how it goes when you're looking for employment, unfortunately. Most businesses would rather let people down easy than give them the hard truth. It's happened to me at least once. At least they didn't give you the, "We'll call you back" line.
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I'm told the interview was fine and great, nothing wrong with it. Except apparently they don't hire anyone unless they live within 3 miles...and no one at any point in the process had thought to tell me.


Seriously, that's the reason? Actually, I'm more surprised they actually did give you a reason why they didn't take you. Majority of the places I apply to, get an interview or even a day of work - to test how I work at that place - and get rejected, they simply tell me, "We have decided on a different applier." or "We unfortunately cannot pay anymore attention to your application".

Although to be honest, I would like to know the reason at times, even if it's a stupid one. Is it because I don't wear make up? Well I tell them that I generally do not wear make up cause it makes me tired, which would hinder my work. Is it because I don't wear trendy clothes? Well I don't have money to buy new clothes all the time and most trendy clothes seems too cold for me. Is it lack of experience? How the hell am I supposed to get experience when nobody ever fucking hires me!?
I speak German and English fluently, which is a huge plus in most businesses, whether it's an office, a shop or similar. I may not appear very friendly, but I switch to a much more friendly and open, cheerful demeanour during work. I would very much appreciate it, if they told me what seemed off - or even give me a tip to improve.

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And this is where you go into the Whining territory.
Yes, TopHat, life. Isn't. Fair. We know it. You know it. So please, get over yourself. Learn to deal with this unfairness in life, because if you don't learn how to deal with it now, you will have a lot more problems once you get past that hellhole that you call High School and enter the "real" society.

I know I'm sounding incredibly insensitive and mean with this, but I feel that it needs to be said.

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Yes, TopHat, life. Isn't. Fair. We know it. You know it. So please, get over yourself. Learn to deal with this unfairness in life, because if you don't learn how to deal with it now, you will have a lot more problems once you get past that hellhole that you call High School and enter the "real" society.

I know I'm sounding incredibly insensitive and mean with this, but I feel that it needs to be said.

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I wasn't going to respond, but I feel that it's needed now. What the hell do you know about my life? You know absolutely jackshit about me or the problems that I have to face. "Whining territory?" I'll say it bluntly. Fuck off. You have no idea the amount of pain and depression that I face every day. For you to call my problems as simply "whines" does me no favors at all and only makes my unstable condition even worse. Be proud of yourself that you've made a miserable person feel even more worthless and unwanted. But I guess you nor anyone else even cares about that.

What should I have expected to begin with? There's not a goddam person that understands me. Your posts have only confirmed the sheer apathy that I'm constantly surrounded by. This is why I hate people and why I hate my life. I have nothing more to say to you. Good bye.

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Settle down you two, please. This kind of melodrama is exactly how flame wars are started.
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For you to call my problems as simply "whines" does me no favors at all and only makes my unstable condition even worse. Be proud of yourself that you've made a miserable person feel even more worthless and unwanted.


That statement gave the impression that you expect people to give you special treatment or pity you. Is this what you want?
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That statement gave the impression that you expect people to give you special treatment or pity you. Is this what you want?


No, it means that I don't want the people around me to make me feel like total shit. I complain because my life is miserable and there's nothing else that I can do. But I haven't received a scrap of worthwhile or helpful advice thus far. I don't expect to anymore either.
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What the hell do you know about my life? You know absolutely jackshit about me or the problems that I have to face.


Considering that several of your posts go into detail about how your life is shit because you are in a hellhole you call school, surrounded by morons, got falsely suspended from school, etc, etc, I can say I know what problems you are facing. And even if you went to a therapist for the crap you're dealing with, they may sugar coat their words, but in essence, you would still have to get over it. You fully know that things aren't gonna stay that way, you know you will graduate from school in two years and be out of there, but you still sound like all you want to do is wallow in your own misery and just make yourself more miserable.

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Well what the hell kind of worthwhile or helpful advice SHOULD we give? What do you EXPECT from us? Cuddlification? Cuddle you into cotton wool and tell you everything is gonna be A-Okay? You're not gonna believe that, even if we told you that.

Now to get to a real vent again.
Some fucktard on the Skyward GameFAQs board just replied to somebody's topic on how they gave up on Skyward, after trying the game several times, to basically "You don't like it cause you're American. Go have fun with this other game, while I play Skyward Sword again. You Americans just hate these great awesome villains like Demise" and such.

First of... personal opinion.
I didn't like Demise. I found him to be a terrible villain, it wouldn't have mattered to me if he was a Zelda villain or a villain of any other game. He's terrible, he has nothing special about him, his design is simply to make him look evil and that's about it. The fight against him was terrible, he barely had any screentime, the only good thing was the area you fought him in and that was purely design-based. (But if that guy thinks Demise was great, Fine)

Other part, what the FUCK does he mean that Americans dislike Skyward because they're American? That's fucking insane. ESPECIALLY if he tells the topic creator to just enjoy playing Link to the Past. Oh what, Link to the Past wasn't made by the same company that made Skyward and yet Americans like that game? I don't get this guy. What an asshole.
AND he pointed out he found the topic creator's post "tl;dr" so that was already a sign that he has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

I'm all for snapping at Americans, but only when it's based on something. (Example, I will snap at Americans for their giant emphasis on fucking patrionism. Like your country, fine, just don't overdo it) This guy just seems to snap at Americans for no fucking reason.

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TopHatProfessor, I'm glad you referred to yourself as a kid and acknowledge that. But I have to say, I am a little bit sick of your venting and your posting at times. You constantly just make long posts about how your life is shit and everybody sucks and nothing you can do about it, you just gotta pull through it.
Yes. You have to pull through it. Just do that, don't continuously tell us that you have to do that. Do it.

Also, I am also not a great believer in religion. I do not see the point in it, except as an emotional crutch for other people. I don't understand them and I don't have to. But nobody says that you have to respect their religion or their belief. Just acknowledge that they have their belief and let it go.
If somebody starts talking religion to you, be commonly polite and say that you do not like to discuss religion for personal reasons... and if that doesn't keep them quiet, go away. Nobody forces you to be around such people, anyway.

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Great, just what I needed to hear. You're sick of me and so is everybody else. I don't need this. I don't need to hear any of this from you people. I don't care anymore. I don't care about anything anymore. No one cares about me. I'm alone. I have absolutely nothing. Just forget about everything. I won't be posting here again since you people obviously can't stand me or my posts. Maybe I'll just leave completely like Emiko and Gnobo did. No one would care and no one would miss me. Just like everybody else in my miserable goddam life.

I wish I didn't have to post here, but honestly, I think you're being a tad unfair. Saying things like "no one cares about me" isn't cool since a few others and I tried to at least help make you feel better, with the advice, quotes, etc. All I'm saying is shunning others that try to help, even if it doesn't do any good, won't do you any good.

And no, if you left I wouldn't forget it, just like I haven't forgotten about Emiko, Gnobo, or Neni leaving, because I think everyone on this site is pretty cool.
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I wish I didn't have to post here, but honestly, I think you're being a tad unfair. Saying things like "no one cares about me" isn't cool since a few others and I tried to at least help make you feel better, with the advice, quotes, etc. All I'm saying is shunning others that try to help, even if it doesn't do any good, won't do you any good.

And no, if you left I wouldn't forget it, just like I haven't forgotten about Emiko, Gnobo, or Neni leaving, because I think everyone on this site is pretty cool.


Don't make me laugh. None of you care about me. None of you know me either. I'm just some anonymous loser on the Internet that you people feel sorry for.

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Well what the hell kind of worthwhile or helpful advice SHOULD we give? What do you EXPECT from us?


Nothing. Nothing at all. Forget I ever said anything. Go back to your own happy lives and just forget about me completely. I'm obviously not important to anyone, so it shouldn't matter.

And yes, you would all forget about me if I left which I am seriously considering. Like I said, I'm an anonymous nobody. I don't matter.
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I'm all for snapping at Americans


Whoa whoa whoa, back up. You're essentially advocating the intolerance that you despise with this kind of statement.
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I'm all for snapping at Americans


Whoa whoa whoa, back up. You're essentially advocating the intolerance that you despise with this kind of statement.


But as I point out, I would snap for a reason. I wouldn't say stuff like, "You are like this because you are American" And I have my limits. There are things I can tolerate. Even patrionism, although I personally see no reason why I should show patrionism. But the way some Americans go on and on about how patrionism is important and America is great and that nothing is wrong with America and this food tastes like America and other crap like that, that just makes me blow up.

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Go back to your own happy lives and just forget about me completely.


Yes. Because you are the only person in the entire world who has problems. Everybody else's life is perfect. We have no worries about Jobs, Health, Relationships, Fears or Decisions. Everything is peachy for everyone but you. None of us ever had any trouble that would come close to yours. None of us had any problems growing up and won't have any trouble in the future, either.

If you really feel you will feel better if you go, then please, Go. Some people will not forget you. Others might. But why should you care?

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Yes. Because you are the only person in the entire world who has problems. Everybody else's life is perfect. We have no worries about Jobs, Health, Relationships, Fears or Decisions. Everything is peachy for everyone but you. None of us ever had any trouble that would come close to yours. None of us had any problems growing up and won't have any trouble in the future, either.

If you really feel you will feel better if you go, then please, Go. Some people will not forget you. Others might. But why should you care?


I never said any of that. All I'm saying is that your lives are probably way better off than mine is right now. But I'm not making any assumptions because I'm above that. My main point is that no one understands me, so they can't help. And people like you who tell me that my problems are only "whines" only make me feel worse.

And don't say that. Not a goddam single one of you will remember me in less than five years. Stop pretending that you will. And no, I don't care. I've already come to expect that no one cares. Why should I care about a bunch of apathetic people that don't care for me in return? But I guess you'd all like that if I left, wouldn't you?
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