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Manfred's Master Plan
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Bayfield wrote:
So, I'm watching Case 1-4 being played (after having watched the surprisingly good movie adaptation yesterday) and am having difficulty following Von Karma's gameplan. I was hoping someone here could clarify for me.
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Please note that trial that took place directly before this.
1 - 3 Turnabout Samurai
One thing that always stuck out about this case was how Edgeworth handled it.
Please examine this video.
Note that Edgeworth has strayed from "always getting a guilty verdict"
A trial as big as this would get a large amount of attention, and Manfred would definitely see the weakness Edgeworth showed.
1 - 4 happened because Edgeworth didn't become as cold as Manfred.
If Edgeworth had kept on winning, he would have went down as being the cold bastard proteje of Manfred Von Karma.
But him losing, AND following the path of "true justice" is what made Manfred NEED to kill what he had created.
His revenge on Gregory had failed.
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"That stupid Edgeworth... getting a penalty to me. On my perfect record... why that little... if I ever see him again, I will shoot him and raise his son to be the exact opposite of a Defense Attorney!"
Quite a silly idea of a revenge, to be honest. And Karma is the only "Ace Attorney Villain" I actually like.
As for the 1-4 Case... really, I think Karma just used Yogi to get rid of the last remnants of the 1-4 Case. A sort of... ceremony in preparation for the statue of limitations running out in a few days. Karma got rid of another silly Defense Attorney and got Edgeworth at least under suspicion of murder.
I will not say anything about trying to convict him of the 1-4 Case because... really, it's pretty silly. Like all the other cases. Also, if Karma had done a less-than-perfect job, there would have been two problems. One, everybody except Phoenix and Maya would have been surprised. After all, Karma was known to be a dick to the judge and something to fear in the courtroom. Two, Karma would not have been able to pull it off himself. If things started falling apart, well shit, but at least he had Edgey's confession as a back-up.
Also, I do not think Karma actually re-trained Polly. Just one of Phoenix' silly comments again.
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I'll try to answer some of them:
+ Manfred was holding a gun because he is a man that believes needs a solid method of self-defense, so a gun would be perfect, and as a legal enforcer, it would make sense, seeing as how prosecutors are prone to a lot of dangerous things, like drug dealers, murderers, and the likes. This thought is evidenced by the fact that he carries around a taser. But why wouldn't he carry his gun anymore? A.) It was the same gun he killed Gregory Edgeworth with, so he had to dispose of the evidence; B.) remember that he has a bullet lodged on his shoulder, it's possible that, if he were to fire the same gun or another one in self-defense would result in the recoil creating a set of vibrations that may shake the bullet and thus cause aching.
+ It's entirely possible the conversation he had with the chief prosecutor was over the phone, really.
Also: Manfred von Karma is a self-glorified man: he thinks himself highly above everyone else and his ideals are the best ones. He's a man that takes a lot of pride into his work, meaning that, the mere sight of imperfection results into a von Karma obsessed with mending that. Sure, he murdered someone for it, but the thoughts on his mind would be something along the lines of: "That foolish man that foolishly chose to become a fool of an attorney and act foolhardily and give me a penalty! Because of him, my perfect record was ruined!" combine that with the fact that he found the man unconscious, no conscious witnesses, he had a gun, and... Bang. He let his emotions control him. Simple psychology, really: the adrenaline of the fury he had took over his reasoning and the only thing he could do was act, but not thing nor reason.
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Scent wrote:
why was Manfred von Karma even carrying a gun to begin with?
I'm pretty sure it was Yanni Yogi's gun, wasn't it? That was the one that Edgeworth threw during the fight. Manfred just sort of picked it up and used it on a whim when he found them in the elevator.
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Ropfa wrote:
Scent wrote:
why was Manfred von Karma even carrying a gun to begin with?
I'm pretty sure it was Yanni Yogi's gun, wasn't it? That was the one that Edgeworth threw during the fight. Manfred just sort of picked it up and used it on a whim when he found them in the elevator.
Exactly. I think Edgeworth himself says that he isn't sure whether the gun he threw was Yogi's or whether it was evidence from a case. It was there and he threw it. And Manfred, during his confession, says that there was a gun lying on the ground when he saw the elevator open. Just a lucky coincidence.
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CatMuto wrote:
I wouldn't say cold and carefully. He saw unconscious people, he saw a gun, he was furious and decided to shoot Edgey Sr. No biggie.
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Well, at least the cold part, seeing as how he didn't care if he had murder a child's father, causing a childhood scar, it's possible the same child could forever blame himself and another purpose could end up paying up for the crime (which already happened).
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CatMuto wrote:
Well him being cold cannot be really counted as a big surprise, considering we're told before we meet him how he's all about being PERFECT and isn't above forging shit to gain a guilty verdict.
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Yeah, makes you wonder how he raised his children and how he treated his wife.
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Scent wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Well him being cold cannot be really counted as a big surprise, considering we're told before we meet him how he's all about being PERFECT and isn't above forging shit to gain a guilty verdict.
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Yeah, makes you wonder how he raised his children and how he treated his wife.
Well you can sorta tell from Franziska how he raised his children. Or at least her. As for her older sister, who knows, maybe she is a woman who likes perfection and found a man with a similar view and they are quite happy together.
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CatMuto wrote:
Scent wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Well him being cold cannot be really counted as a big surprise, considering we're told before we meet him how he's all about being PERFECT and isn't above forging shit to gain a guilty verdict.
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Yeah, makes you wonder how he raised his children and how he treated his wife.
Well you can sorta tell from Franziska how he raised his children. Or at least her. As for her older sister, who knows, maybe she is a woman who likes perfection and found a man with a similar view and they are quite happy together.
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Wonder if Manfred taught her to use a whip, makes sense, seeing as how he seems to like the idea of self-defense (but then again, he raised Edgeworth, and from what we've seen, he doesn't carry anything that screams self-defense).
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Scent wrote:
Wonder if Manfred taught her to use a whip, makes sense, seeing as how he seems to like the idea of self-defense (but then again, he raised Edgeworth, and from what we've seen, he doesn't carry anything that screams self-defense).
You're thinking in the wrong direction. Manfred is probably the type to use a whip (or one of those short ones that Franny had in I-4) on his children when they don't obtain perfect scores or something like that. Maybe it has a twisted, sentimental value to her.
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CatMuto wrote:
Scent wrote:
Wonder if Manfred taught her to use a whip, makes sense, seeing as how he seems to like the idea of self-defense (but then again, he raised Edgeworth, and from what we've seen, he doesn't carry anything that screams self-defense).
You're thinking in the wrong direction. Manfred is probably the type to use a whip (or one of those short ones that Franny had in I-4) on his children when they don't obtain perfect scores or something like that. Maybe it has a twisted, sentimental value to her.
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Oh God know that would be horrible... :X
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CatMuto wrote:
Scent wrote:
Wonder if Manfred taught her to use a whip, makes sense, seeing as how he seems to like the idea of self-defense (but then again, he raised Edgeworth, and from what we've seen, he doesn't carry anything that screams self-defense).
You're thinking in the wrong direction. Manfred is probably the type to use a whip (or one of those short ones that Franny had in I-4) on his children when they don't obtain perfect scores or something like that. Maybe it has a twisted, sentimental value to her.
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If he was like that, he wouldn't let Fran use a riding crop in public at the age of thirteen.
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sumguy28 wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Scent wrote:
Wonder if Manfred taught her to use a whip, makes sense, seeing as how he seems to like the idea of self-defense (but then again, he raised Edgeworth, and from what we've seen, he doesn't carry anything that screams self-defense).
You're thinking in the wrong direction. Manfred is probably the type to use a whip (or one of those short ones that Franny had in I-4) on his children when they don't obtain perfect scores or something like that. Maybe it has a twisted, sentimental value to her.
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If he was like that, he wouldn't let Fran use a riding crop in public at the age of thirteen.
Hey, as long as she gets perfect scores, he don't care what she does.
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CatMuto wrote:
Scent wrote:
Wonder if Manfred taught her to use a whip, makes sense, seeing as how he seems to like the idea of self-defense (but then again, he raised Edgeworth, and from what we've seen, he doesn't carry anything that screams self-defense).
You're thinking in the wrong direction. Manfred is probably the type to use a whip (or one of those short ones that Franny had in I-4) on his children when they don't obtain perfect scores or something like that. Maybe it has a twisted, sentimental value to her.
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As much of an asshole Manfred is, I can't really see him as laying a hand (or a riding crop) on his children. He's not the physically abusive type. More like, he's just cold and stern, and doesn't react to any of his children's attempts to impress him. He's emotionally distant, and likely for the reason that showing any kind of affection will interfere with his kids' development as prodigies. If they brought home less than perfect scores, I could see him giving them the silent treatment, or possibly giving them a lecture that blows their flaws way out of proportion and forces them to be fully aware of their own worthlessness. Kind of like a tiger mom thing.
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Scent wrote:
his emotions ran wild inside of him.
It's really funny how some of the most cold final villains are the ones prone to the biggest fury.
Scent wrote:
+ It's entirely possible the conversation he had with the chief prosecutor was over the phone, really.
...Or in a courthouse.
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