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Perhaps I was... in a daze. Left my fingerprints on the DS as well.
Left my fingerprints on the DS as well.I love you for going along with my Running Gag idea.
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Does Layton vs Wright count in this? Because...
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Daxter wrote:
Does Layton vs Wright count in this? Because...
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That last one is easily explained by this simple sentence: Phoenix is a gullible moron who'll never learn!
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No, it's because Phoenix is loyal to his friends and refuses to believe they could do anything wrong. Then again, you wouldn't know what it's like to be loyal to someone, would you, seeing as how you think that Phoenix should have left Maya to die.
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With the risk of sliding off-topic, I loved how the music changed right at the moment when he dropped his facade.
And thus I always thought Core 2002 was Engarde's theme, and it annoyed me they'd kept reusing it in T&T
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Edit: I remembered another, truly shocking moment while writing in another thread. THE FIRST FREAKING TIME MANFRED VON KARMA DID A FREAKING OBJECTION. I just stared at the screen for several seconds because what the hell.
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No, it's because Phoenix is loyal to his friends and refuses to believe they could do anything wrong. Then again, you wouldn't know what it's like to be loyal to someone, would you, seeing as how you think that Phoenix should have left Maya to die.
No, he's a gullible idiot. And a totaly JERK, considering he talks as if he would NEVER have given anyone who was actually guilty his defensive work. Seriously. What a jerk. Not the good kind of jerk you want as your hero. As for Maya... yeah. That's why I don't have friends or don't work with friends.
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Even killers need someone who can defend them. Everyone is, "Innocent until proven guilty." With killers in the AA world, the justice system is basically like, "Fuck you. Find another attorney." It would be interesting to see an attorney who actually felt like everybody was worth a chance
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How is stating that he wouldn't defend people who were actually guilty being a jerk? It's actually taking the moral high ground when you refuse to protect someone who doesn't deserve to be protected! If I was a defense attorney, I wouldn't want to defend someone who was actually guilty, either! I know it's their job, but sometimes you have to do what's morally right!
*sigh* ... okay, if you want to go for the morally right way... Scenario: you're a defense attorney and your client is a wife, who had been beaten by her husband for years. She admits to the crime of having stabbed her husband in his sleep. What's your response in terms of defense? Will you defend her, pleading that it was an emotional choice of a woman drained of her self-esteem? Or refuse to defend her, because she was an "actually guilty party" of murder?
It may sound strange to give you this scenario, but it's a good hint of the problem. Your job as an attorney is to defend your clients. You don't let your morals, ethics or prejudice get in the way. Legally, in this case the wife was positively, 100% guilty of murder because - even if she just grabbed a knife when she was crying in bed one night - she attacked him, who was completely defenseless at that point.
Morally, maybe even ethically and definitely emotionally, you'd probably be on her side. She was doing what she could to not have to live in that horrible situation anymore. You might even feel slightly glad that she killed him, because now she's at least free from physical (and probably mental) abuse.
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It's what I yelled at Phoenix during his oh-so-tormented dilemma of what he should do. I told him to keep his -ing own feelings out of this damn case and do his -ing JOB!
-ing own feelings out of this damn case and do his -ing JOB!I'm sure it would've been an easier dilemma if Adrian wouldn't have gone to jail as a result of Matt going free. Plus, your situation doesn't apply to Matt. Matt is an asshole
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It's what I yelled at Phoenix during his oh-so-tormented dilemma of what he should do. I told him to keep his -ing own feelings out of this damn case and do his -ing JOB!
-ing own feelings out of this damn case and do his -ing JOB!I'm sure it would've been an easier dilemma if Adrian wouldn't have gone to jail as a result of Matt going free. Plus, your situation doesn't apply to Matt. Matt is an asshole
Doesn't matter, it still deals with PERSONAL things in your PROFESSIONAL life aspect.
Those two shouldn't be mixed.
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The series is mostly black and white, people are either evil or they're good.
Which is a problem with the AA-series. The law isn't black and white, it's shades and layers of gray on top of gray. The way they portray the law in the AA-series is like a child's point of view in the world - you're either a good person and that other person that took your toy away is the biggest evil you've seen in the world and they deserve to fry.
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The series is mostly black and white, people are either evil or they're good.
Which is a problem with the AA-series. The law isn't black and white, it's shades and layers of gray on top of gray. The way they portray the law in the AA-series is like a child's point of view in the world - you're either a good person and that other person that took your toy away is the biggest evil you've seen in the world and they deserve to fry.
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You've definitely got a point there. And the killers who aren't portrayed as the spawn of evil are immediately seen as "sympathetic killers" or something like that, often including some tragic backstory and/or major screw up, for example accidentally killing someone you actually like instead of that teenager you were supposed to... you know, kill. I think that's also ties in with the whole "X would never kill anybody!" which at this point has become kind of a cliché, not to mention it was stupid from the first time someone uttered those words. And, while I'm at it, it kind of connects to the reason why some of the "transformations", subtle or not, personality and/or looks, bugs me. It's like a killer can't be shy, dizzy, cheerful or charming; it's almost certainly a facade to reveal a smart, cold and calculating persona. That way the killers get put into a category of their own, of "evil people". The DLC transformation was kind of a new low in that; a totally uncalled for personality change (especially since this was supposed to be one of those sympathetic killers) along with a phyically impossible change in appearance, all to turn the person into a villain.
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@Thane I always thought that if Takumi had more time with AJ, it could easily have been the best game of the series (my feelings of the game fluctuate a lot). We could've had five cases, an answer to the paintings in the office, etc. I also think the major problem (Phoenix) could be fixed if he was just replaced with a different lawyer. I know Takumi had to put him in the game, but it's a huge inconsistency to believe that he would forge evidence
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CatMuto wrote:
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The series is mostly black and white, people are either evil or they're good.
Which is a problem with the AA-series. The law isn't black and white, it's shades and layers of gray on top of gray. The way they portray the law in the AA-series is like a child's point of view in the world - you're either a good person and that other person that took your toy away is the biggest evil you've seen in the world and they deserve to fry.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with you. You're absolutely right about the series being too black and white, it's actually a problem I have with most police shows as well, such as Law And Order and CSI. People in real life aren't just black and white. Sure, some people are morally better than others, but everyone is capable of doing bad things if they're under certain circumstances. Sometimes you can't tell which option is doing the right thing. For example, there's assisted suicide. It's a moral dilemma in people who have no quality of life anymore, such as people who are forced to rely on others, and just want to die with dignity.
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The series is mostly black and white, people are either evil or they're good.
Which is a problem with the AA-series. The law isn't black and white, it's shades and layers of gray on top of gray. The way they portray the law in the AA-series is like a child's point of view in the world - you're either a good person and that other person that took your toy away is the biggest evil you've seen in the world and they deserve to fry.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with you. You're absolutely right about the series being too black and white, it's actually a problem I have with most police shows as well, such as Law And Order and CSI. People in real life aren't just black and white. Sure, some people are morally better than others, but everyone is capable of doing bad things if they're under certain circumstances. Sometimes you can't tell which option is doing the right thing. For example, there's assisted suicide. It's a moral dilemma in people who have no quality of life anymore, such as people who are forced to rely on others, and just want to die with dignity.
They address that good people can do bad things under bad circumstances in GK2
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GK2 was actually fairly nuanced in that aspect, I think. Even with the big bad, which I guess is one of the reasons that's one of my favourite villains (although when it comes to the final boss people who simply are mean and nuts for the heck of it can be quite fun).
Yup. They even made the third case villain a little sympathetic. Sure, he/she was portrayed as absolutely deplorable, but considering the person he/she killed was a complete asshole who threw them in an impossible situation, it does make you think
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GK2 was actually fairly nuanced in that aspect, I think. Even with the big bad, which I guess is one of the reasons that's one of my favourite villains (although when it comes to the final boss people who simply are mean and nuts for the heck of it can be quite fun).
Yup. They even made the third case villain a little sympathetic. Sure, he/she was portrayed as absolutely deplorable, but considering the person he/she killed was a complete asshole who threw them in an impossible situation, it does make you think
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Haven't played it yet, waiting for that translation to finish up eventually. But i'll just add, his theme is great too :-)
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Haven't played it yet, waiting for that translation to finish up eventually. But i'll just add, his theme is great too :-)
Aww. You were spoiled?
But, yeah. He has an awesome theme.
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Haven't played it yet, waiting for that translation to finish up eventually. But i'll just add, his theme is great too :-)
Aww. You were spoiled?
But, yeah. He has an awesome theme.I watched the Translation by dowolf, and I third that he has an awesome theme.
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I watched the Translation by dowolf, and I third that he has an awesome theme.
I also watched the translation by dowolf. I don't know if I prefer his or the patch. I think the patch does a better job with the general dialogue and some things (like dowolf wrote dead body storage room instead of morgue) but I prefer the names that dowolf gives the characters. I know a lot of the names for the patch were voted by fans but they make a lot of the puns too literal (I always call them by their Japanese names, though, because that's what I learned first)
For example, I think Atticus Stalwart is a way better name than Raymond Shields, because of the whole Gregory Peck thing with Edgeworth. Sebastian Debeste is kind of dumb, too. That's really my only gripe with the patch, though (that and the Objection voices. You can even hear the "pop" of the audio in Sebastian's. I do like Shields', though)
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I watched the Translation by dowolf, and I third that he has an awesome theme.
I also watched the translation by dowolf. I don't know if I prefer his or the patch. I think the patch does a better job with the general dialogue and some things (like dowolf wrote dead body storage room instead of morgue) but I prefer the names that dowolf gives the characters. I know a lot of the names for the patch were voted by fans but they make a lot of the puns too literal (I always call them by their Japanese names, though, because that's what I learned first)
For example, I think Atticus Stalwart is a way better name than Raymond Shields, because of the whole Gregory Peck thing with Edgeworth. Sebastian Debeste is kind of dumb, too. That's really my only gripe with the patch, though (that and the Objection voices. You can even hear the "pop" of the audio in Sebastian's. I do like Shields', though)
And at the risk of this going way off topic, I want to add something to my list
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While I personally prefer the dowolf translation names, (especially the name Angela von Jure for Hikaru(I hope I spelt that right)) and yeah I agree, I don't think the objection voices are that good..but hey I'll take what I can get.
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Oh yeah, that's right. I prefer Sebastian over Raymond (he's even less of a Raymond than Shigaraki) but Furst over Debeste. Sebastian Furst...? And I absolutely agree with the spoiler tagged. Holy shit, is this off-topic.
Furst? What the hell is a Furst? Or do you mean Fürst, the german word for Lord?
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As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with you. You're absolutely right about the series being too black and white, it's actually a problem I have with most police shows as well, such as Law And Order and CSI. People in real life aren't just black and white. Sure, some people are morally better than others, but everyone is capable of doing bad things if they're under certain circumstances. Sometimes you can't tell which option is doing the right thing. For example, there's assisted suicide. It's a moral dilemma in people who have no quality of life anymore, such as people who are forced to rely on others, and just want to die with dignity.
I dunno, I think CSI at times does show some gray parts. For one, think of that episode where a teenager had her family, except one little girl, killed because her father molested her - resulting in said little girl (her "little sister") being born and was going to start molesting her daughter and the others were killed cause they never stopped the father.
As wrong as it is to kill four people, it's kind of hard to not agree with her point of view. And they do point out that, had certain killers said something earlier or done it a bit differently, they could've gotten a more lenient sentence.
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(Which I interpret as a name version of the word "first" because the guy is kind of obsessed with being "number one".)
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Oh yeah, that's right. I prefer Sebastian over Raymond (he's even less of a Raymond than Shigaraki) but Furst over Debeste. Sebastian Furst...? And I absolutely agree with the spoiler tagged. Holy shit, is this off-topic.
Agreed. It doesn't bother me that much, but it's enough to warrant a mention. For example, I think Kay Faraday is the perfect name for Kay. However, if they were translating the names for the first game, they'd make her name Claire Sky or Belinda Cloud (because her name means beautiful cloud in the Japanese version)
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