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Why did they screw up Phoenix' model?
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But seriously, this game has a ton of amazing animations but out of all these Phoenix probably has the worst animations, especially his desk-slam and Objection pointing is just horrendous. Why did they screw this up so bad? Does it get less noticable when you adjust to the game?
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It still makes me wonder since mostly all other animations in the game seem perfect especially for the new characters.
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It's a bit how the original sprites for the first Phoenix Wright weren't flawless, and they kept improving on them until GS4 and GK when they looked pretty perfect.
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And why is Phoenix so bad and stiff when Maya or Layton or even Luke have rather smooth and close-to-original animations? I'm obviously not getting a definitive answer, but you're right that it was because it's the first time they did something like this. It just makes you wonder why the second-biggest star in the game got the most half-assed animations.
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Disagree. GK might have great level of detail in animation, but the character art rocks in the older games, and in AJ. GK's art has a lot of mismatching colors that clash, and characters just look plain freaky.
And why is Phoenix so bad and stiff when Maya or Layton or even Luke have rather smooth and close-to-original animations? I'm obviously not getting a definitive answer, but you're right that it was because it's the first time they did something like this. It just makes you wonder why the second-biggest star in the game got the most half-assed animations.
And why is Phoenix so bad and stiff when Maya or Layton or even Luke have rather smooth and close-to-original animations? I'm obviously not getting a definitive answer, but you're right that it was because it's the first time they did something like this. It just makes you wonder why the second-biggest star in the game got the most half-assed animations.
I personally consider the art of AJ to be the most flawless, but I still personally consider the art in GK better than for GS1. But that's just me.
From the gameplay that I've seen, I don't neccesarily think that the movement is that different between the characters; Layton, in my opinion, has the same level of movement quality as Phoenix does. But I think we have a problem with it for a couple of reasons:
1. Layton's art is less detailed and more whimsical, which lends itself to the "3D movement" scene better since it naturally is going to be more exaggerated. I think the animators are used to working with more cartoony characters.
2. We've already seen 3D Layton in "Miracle Mask" so we've adjusted to seeing him. I know when I first started Miracle Mask, the new 3D movement bothered the hell out of me, though.
3. We've seen Phoenix's same 8 or 9 movements so much over the course of 4 games that it's very easy for us to notice little problems and differences with it. Maya, for instance, still looks weird to me, but while she is an important character she isn't constantly seen in the same position for the majority of the gameplay like Phoenix in court is. I'm guessing that the only reason why we don't feel this way about GS5 is that they did a redesign for Phoenix. I bet if you turn on the "classic" Phoenix costume GS5 will look a little strange as well.
4. As previously talked about, I think they just made some mistakes that GS5 didn't (for instance, PLvsAA has the charactes "breathe" and do that "animation movement" when the character is still, while GS5 copies the sprite characteristics. However, all other Layton games do the "animation", so it probably would have looked weird to see these frozen GS characters right next to these moving Layton ones).
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Indeed, Phoenix' pointing really bugged me, with the poker face. Amongst other stiff poses and faces. Although seeing him wield an iron pipe still with the poker face on was kind of hilarious. (By the way, did I see wrong or did Phoenix have brown eyes in this game?)
It's blacked out, so I don't think there was a particular eye color.
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In both Phoenix Wright Dual Destinies and Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy, the 3D models are visibly better than in Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright. So maybe, they tried the 3D out with PLvsPW, and improved the models in their later games?
Just a theory, but a good one at that.
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I also liked his damage animation better here than I did in DD, but that's not saying much because I've never really liked it all that much.
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Yeah, his model bothered me quite a bit. It was like he was a lifeless shell being controlled by a puppet. That's fucking creepy. Layton's was fine, but I think the fact that he has black dots for eyes made me more uncomfortable in a 3D world
It's his objection really, he didn't look like he was putting any emotion into it. Just dead-eyed.
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Klonoahedgehog wrote:
I personally like this model more than the one in DD.
I would be inclined to agree, but I'm torn because it's really just his artstyle in PLvPWAA that I much prefer (I know he's older in DD though) but he just looked empty inside a lot of the time and his "ugh!" animation made it look like he was looking at something above him instead of being flustered.
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I thought his chin very awkward tucked into his chest in PLvsAA, but indeed that was my only model nitpick.
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Turnabout_Lawman wrote:
Only animation I found awkward coming back to his 2012 model was the one with his hand on his hip.
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Skin is too tan, and looks awkward compared to the other sprites. Maybe PW:DD is influencing my opinion. The other character models look grand.
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