Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Back in it, hopefully for the better
Gender: Female
Location: Colorado, USA
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:46 am
Posts: 177
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
What will he be doing there anyway?
Oh? Isn't that Edgeworth? Hey, Edgeworth!
!! ...Oh. Wright. Hello. Whatcha doin' here? I thought you were still in (Japanifornia). ...studying. ...with a headdress sovenir and magatama in hand? ...yes. (Dammit, why must I always run across this man at the most unopportune times?)So yeah, Edgey is going on vacation and bumps into Phoenix. That's my story and I'll stick to it.
Quote:
It'd be a crime not to include Maya, especially since she is a fan favorite; Capcom probably sees it too.
You do realize the only reason Edgeworth even got Gyakuten Kenji, was because he is a fan favorite, too?
And by your post's logic, I say the same about Maya. Heck, let's say the same thing about Trucy and Apollo.C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Great Revival
Gender: Male
Location: Location
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:40 am
Posts: 2453
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
What will he be doing there anyway?
Oh? Isn't that Edgeworth? Hey, Edgeworth! !! ...Oh. Wright. Hello. Whatcha doin' here? I thought you were still in (Japanifornia). ...studying. ...with a headdress sovenir and magatama in hand? ...yes. (Dammit, why must I always run across this man at the most unopportune times?)So yeah, Edgey is going on vacation and bumps into Phoenix. That's my story and I'll stick to it.
Not a chance. Edgeworth would never do that, after DL-6 he doesn't believe in Spirit Mediums, and he's also Chief Prosecutor. If anything, I think it would go like this:
: It seems I've been smuggled into this plane...
: Hello Mr. Edgeworth... You have won a free ride to the Kingdom of Kurain
: W-What? (Is it bad that I want Psycho Maya that badly?
)
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Location: Spain
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:38 pm
Posts: 477
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
It'd be a crime not to include Maya, especially since she is a fan favorite; Capcom probably sees it too.
You do realize the only reason Edgeworth even got Gyakuten Kenji, was because he is a fan favorite, too?
And by your post's logic, I say the same about Maya. Heck, let's say the same thing about Trucy and Apollo.C-A
In that poll that Apollo topped, Trucy only made it to 15th place, just after Wendy Oldbag of all people, so I'm not sure if she counts as a fan favorite. But anyways, we already got to see Edgeworth, Apollo, Trucy and a lot of people in DD, but we haven't heard of Maya since the OT. That's what makes her case special.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Oliver wrote:
(Is it bad that I want Psycho Maya that badly? )
)But that is DIFFERENT! She would CHANGE! We don't want change! We don't want change!
Quote:
but we haven't heard of Maya since the OT. That's what makes her case special.
I stand by it, if they bring her in, they will SOMEHOW fuck up simply with her presence, and people will complain like shit about it.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Great Revival
Gender: Male
Location: Location
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:40 am
Posts: 2453
CatMuto wrote:
Oliver wrote:
(Is it bad that I want Psycho Maya that badly? )
)But that is DIFFERENT! She would CHANGE! We don't want change! We don't want change!
Oh yeah... *looks at Nick*
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Location: Spain
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:38 pm
Posts: 477
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
but we haven't heard of Maya since the OT. That's what makes her case special.
I stand by it, if they bring her in, they will SOMEHOW fuck up simply with her presence, and people will complain like shit about it.
C-A
Of course people will complain. But people will complain if she's not in there, too. You can't please everybody. That's simply impossible. Whatever you do, there's always someone who's not going to like it.
But what do you think it's more important for the developers, getting as few complaints as possible or getting all the fangasm they can? I think it's the latter, and Maya would certainly be of help for that.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
luck wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
but we haven't heard of Maya since the OT. That's what makes her case special.
I stand by it, if they bring her in, they will SOMEHOW fuck up simply with her presence, and people will complain like shit about it.
C-A
Of course people will complain. But people will complain if she's not in there, too. You can't please everybody. That's simply impossible. Whatever you do, there's always someone who's not going to like it.
But what do you think it's more important for the developers, getting as few complaints as possible or getting all the fangasm they can? I think it's the latter, and Maya would certainly be of help for that.
See, that's the thing: why even bother attempting anything when you know people will have a shit-storm about it? What about players - like me - who don't care about Maya? (Or even flat out don't like her, I'm sure there are players like that) I don't want her to return. Her story is done. She matured, she took on her position as the Master of Kurain - The End. I don't need to know anything beyond that, nor do I want to know.
Because really, what could they reveal? A big conspiracy in the Kurain technique? Yeah, no thanks. We already had two games that focused on the Fey clan, I do not want them to squeeze themselves back into the spotlight for a third game. That would just be too much about the Fey clan. It wouldn't be Phoenix Wright or Ace Attorney anymore, it would be: The Feys - starring Maya Rodriquez Fey and her whacky-mentor-sister Mia Malasia Fey.
They should do what they've been doing since AJ: keep the old troupe OUT entirely or as much as possible.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Programmer
Gender: Male
Location: Sweden
Rank: Bug Sweeper
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:25 pm
Posts: 832
Currently working on a redesign of cr.net itself! Come talk to me about it on Discord!
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Call me James
Gender: Male
Location: At Fishman Island
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:52 pm
Posts: 592
CatMuto wrote:
You do realize the only reason Edgeworth even got Gyakuten Kenji, was because he is a fan favorite, too? And by your post's logic, I say the same about Maya. Heck, let's say the same thing about Trucy and Apollo.
C-A
And by your post's logic, I say the same about Maya. Heck, let's say the same thing about Trucy and Apollo.C-A
Keep in mind Gyakuten Kenji was after we actually played Edgeworth for a somewhat lengthy period of time both in court and while investigating in 3-5. That probably made people want moar playable Edgey.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Location: Spain
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:38 pm
Posts: 477
CatMuto wrote:
...
And what about players like me who like old characters coming back even if only as a random cameo, just to know what they're up to after all this time? And what about all the fans that completely love Maya and will buy the game only because she's in it?
My point is, if they bring Maya back, some people are going to complain, but then some people are going to be very happy just because she's there, too. And obviously, the people that would complain if she's changed too much are not the same people that would complain if she hasn't changed enough, and the people that would complain if she has major role are not the same people that would complain is she's just a one-case cameo. They can be sure that at least someone will be pleased, just as they can be sure that at least someone will be pissed off.
However, if they don't bring back Maya, all you get is some people complaining about it, and some people not caring at all.
Edgeworth in DD was pretty well-received, so I don't know why they couldn't get away with something similar with Maya. And I wouldn't even have a problem if she finally isn't in the game, but I really think she's going to appear.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
However, if they don't bring back Maya, all you get is some people complaining about it, and some people not caring at all.
Which, ultimately, is the 'best' choice - or, at least, one of least annoyances in the long-run. Sure, some people will complain... but those are the same people who have been complaining since AJ came out.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Back in it, hopefully for the better
Gender: Female
Location: Colorado, USA
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:46 am
Posts: 177
CatMuto wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Every time I look back at that silhouette now, I can't help but see either a bald monk or a hooded nun... and speaking of "hooded nun", I just had this incredible idea. What if it was a Fey who was prosecutor? A distant cousin, so to speak? It'd actually give Maya a reason to come visit. The Master of Kurain is meant to be a political figure as well as the leader of the clan.
No! No, please, Capcom, Takumi, whoever, stay away from the Fey clan. They stole the spotlight for two of the three games, we are DONE with them. The only revelation you could possibly still make that wouldn't be annoying is... it turns out their powers ARE fake and everyone just suffers from hallucinations when they 'use their powers', which turns out to be nothing but discreetly burning a type of halucinogenic herb.
C-A
I don't think the Fey clan will be a central focus to the game anyways because as you said, two out of three games already had it as a main focus. For the sake of continuity, maybe some brief mention of the state of the Fey clan by Maya herself would be nice. This way it'd reward those who have played all the games and not have a stale rehash of the first two games.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:04 pm
Posts: 216
CatMuto wrote:
Her story is done. She matured, she took on her position as the Master of Kurain - The End.
You could also say Edgeworth's story was done after the first game. Bad guy became good guy - The End.
Maya is one of the most important characters in this series and the closest friend to its main protagonist. She, Phoenix and Edgeworth form up the "big three" and they need to be recurring characters because of how major they are. We haven't seen Maya since T&T and her story isn't "done" until we see just how she's handled Kurain. Saying her story is finished now is like saying "Phoenix passed the bar exam and is now a lawyer - The End". The Feys started with the spotlight. If anything, Apollo was the one who stole it and look what happened with his plot-hole riddled game.
DD and AA6 are likely on damage control duty after the mess that was AJ. We've had Edgeworth come back as a successful Chief Prosecutor and now we're going to see Maya as a successful Master (all that's missing is Larry as a successful multi-millionaire playboy). Once they give the original cast a satisfactory send off, then we can move on to the new kids. Leaving major characters behind in a cloud of hand waving and poorly constructed disbarments only left them the focus in the wrong way. Apollo wasn't even the main character in his own game. But now, with actual inclusions of the older characters, this is the perfect time to have a big send off (like what T&T was supposed to be) for the original cast and have them in the background as the mentors and old school vets while Apollo and Athena move to the center stage.
Maybe Phoenix stays in Kurain after this to work on their legal system. Capcom did say he's there because they were running out of ways to challenge him in the city. Who knows? It's still too early to tell. It's October now. A new month means more news soon, I hope. All we know is that there wouldn't be a nation of Kurain and Phoenix wouldn't be heading there if Maya wasn't involved. She's in the game.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
A Kirby and AA fan
Gender: Male
Location: The Netherlands
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:01 pm
Posts: 1032
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
He's not a public prosecutor anymore; he's Chief Prosecutor. There's a huge difference.
A bit off topic, but what IS the difference anyway? Why isn't a Chief Prosecutor expected to prosecute anymore?
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
And maybe she can finally throw that card she's been holding onto all this time at his face and get it over with.
Actually, I'd really like that. With Maya potentially returning, that would make for a great opportunity to. Have Franziska shove the card in Phoenix's face and Maya be all like "Nick! No! Don't watch!"
...Something like that...
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
nevertalk wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Her story is done. She matured, she took on her position as the Master of Kurain - The End.
You could also say Edgeworth's story was done after the first game. Bad guy became good guy - The End.
I agree that Edgey's story is done. But I disagree that it absolutely, 100% finished with the first game. (And by that I count up to 1-4, the original continuity) It certainly set the idea of potentially changing his way of viewing his job and actions into motion. But it wasn't until 2-4, his only appearance in that game, where he really changed and showed how he changed. 2-4 is where his story ended, I'd say.
Quote:
the closest friend to its main protagonist.
Yes, let's ignore how Butz and Edgey are Phoenix' longest-standing friends, all the way back to childhood. Those 20+ years mean nothing compared to the 3 years he's known Maya.
Quote:
DD and AA6 are likely on damage control duty after the mess that was AJ.
AJ was only a 'mess' because the higher powers that be said, "Look, Japan is going to re-introduce the Jury system. It'd be a damn good idea, if we make the game show the jury system in a good light, to make people think it is good."
Quote:
Once they give the original cast a satisfactory send off, then we can move on to the new kids
But they did! Edgeworth had his story of re-examining what his duty as prosecutor was (not counting his two own games here) and has decided to focus on truth, rather than getting everyone guilty. Franziska had her mini-arc of wanting to be better than her adoptive brother, but breaking down when she admitted her feelings of wanting to do that and strengthening her resolve again. Maya has accepted her position as Master of Kurain, she has dealt with having lost her mother (a second time) and her branch family is not out to kill her anymore.
They are done. Even Phoenix, technically, had his story end at 1-4. Because he was not a rookie anymore and was looking forward to new things. (But then sequelitis happened)
Quote:
And maybe she can finally throw that card she's been holding onto all this time at his face and get it over with.
Yeah, that card which I'm sure she has carried on her person for the last ten years.
Look, I said it before why I don't think Maya will or should return: it would piss people off, regardless what they did.
Let me give you a different game's example: Tales of the Abyss.
People have been clamoring for a sequel for years, mostly because they want an official answer to 'Who is Mr Ending?' and see how the world of Aulrant has changed, now that the Planet Storm has been stopped and fonic artes and technology running off of fonic science will weaken and eventually cease to function entirely. (This is ignoring that the ending is actually set 3 years after the events of stopping the Planet Storm)
But thankfully, Namco has yet to make a sequel, nor do they have plans of making one. Because they know, if they give an official answer who Mr Ending is, they will piss off a good chunk of any base in the game. Including the base that says that Abyss doesn't need a sequel. (To which I belong, mostly because I do not think you can build a game around how the world's technology has changed after only 3 years or a bit more, without somehow bringing up some huge, world destroying thing which will feel shoved in. Abyss did a good job telling its story, its theme and had a conclusion. It doesn't need anymore answers.)
tl;dr: Sometimes, a lack of answers of 'What next?' is the best route, because not everything needs answers
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Back in it, hopefully for the better
Gender: Female
Location: Colorado, USA
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:46 am
Posts: 177
Nurio wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
He's not a public prosecutor anymore; he's Chief Prosecutor. There's a huge difference.
A bit off topic, but what IS the difference anyway? Why isn't a Chief Prosecutor expected to prosecute anymore?
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
And maybe she can finally throw that card she's been holding onto all this time at his face and get it over with.
Actually, I'd really like that. With Maya potentially returning, that would make for a great opportunity to. Have Franziska shove the card in Phoenix's face and Maya be all like "Nick! No! Don't watch!"
...Something like that...
I think that has to do with how Chief Prosecutor is a manager of sorts for the assigned judicial district. It's like saying why the chief of police isn't out on the streets fighting crime.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
What did he do this time...?
Gender: Male
Location: On trial
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:05 am
Posts: 285
Quote:
DD and AA6 are likely on damage control duty after the mess that was AJ
Hmmm... AJ is the best selling AA game in Japan. Though I can't explain to you why it was, I betcha they don't see it as "a mess".
It's going to be interesting - should they appeal to the fans and bring back their favorite characters from the older games or make more interesting new characters?
They'll be careful if/when they show off Maya for the first time. The fan reactions will be very intriguing to me. I will have an open-mind and I'll be happy as long as they don't completely screw it up.
Want to play my custom-made Ace Attorney case made on Ace Attorney Online? (you must be using Firefox to run it)
Turnabout Destiny
Turnabout Destiny
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Racing through the sky like a Missile
Gender: Female
Location: LA, Japanifornia
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:17 am
Posts: 6180
Nurio wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
He's not a public prosecutor anymore; he's Chief Prosecutor. There's a huge difference.
A bit off topic, but what IS the difference anyway? Why isn't a Chief Prosecutor expected to prosecute anymore?
The Chief Prosecutor supervises all the cases reported in the district; a superintendent, so to speak. While they do have the qualifications to prosecute, they usually have prosecutors assigned to cases instead. After all, as much as they'd like to, they can't exactly overlook all others. For a CP to take on a case personally usually means it's a case of utmost importance, either due to time restraints or if it's so huge that it involves something on the state/district level.
Besides, the situation with Aura was an exception and it wasn't an official trial on the books. He was free to be as harsh or lenient as he wanted, and being Edgeworth, he chose the former option.
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
And maybe she can finally throw that card she's been holding onto all this time at his face and get it over with.
Yeah, that card which I'm sure she has carried on her person for the last ten years.
Now that's hardly fair. I struck through that line for a reason. :p
Quote:
Look, I said it before why I don't think Maya will or should return: it would piss people off, regardless what they did.
And again, Capcom is looking for sales. Nothing rears in fans like reintroducing a fan favorite that people haven't seen in a major role in a while. In any case, it's not a good marketing strategy to crank up the hype on a game (teasing a purple 6, introducing new magatama, setting it in "Kurain", just to name the few that were revealed this early on) only to let it come crashing down on fans when all that hype isn't fulfilled.
Granted, that could also happen if they included Maya, but at least they'd have their sales first. People need to play the game to form more accurate or complete opinions on it.
Quote:
tl;dr: Sometimes, a lack of answers of 'What next?' is the best route, because not everything needs answers
C-A
C-A
In a series all about finding answers, it's hard to tell fans to shut up and stop speculating. Just saying.
What's with all the worry about their messing up Maya's character anyway? This is a legitimate question, guys. How could they completely ruin her character that it'd be beyond repair? Even if she seems a little flanderized in some sense, it isn't entirely a bad thing either.
The home of the Gyakuten Saiban vs Ace Attorney blog: http://gyakutengagotoku.tumblr.com
1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
People need to play the game to form more accurate or complete opinions on it.
I disagree. I can make a damn good opinion on what a game looks like to me, without having to play it.
Quote:
In a series all about finding answers, it's hard to tell fans to shut up and stop speculating. Just saying.
Finding answers? Pfffffff, more like not getting infuriated by how everyone focuses on the wrong questions.
Quote:
What's with all the worry about their messing up Maya's character anyway? This is a legitimate question, guys. How could they completely ruin her character that it'd be beyond repair? Even if she seems a little flanderized in some sense, it isn't entirely a bad thing either.
Because fans don't WANT change. They don't WANT their character to mature beyond what little they see on-screen. They don't WANT to see that, being away from Nick (with potentially only mail contact, as evidenced by GS4 and GS5), has made Maya mature or transform into a person who is even remotely different from the bubbly, hyperactive and excited girl (note: GIRL) she was at age 19, over a decade ago.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Racing through the sky like a Missile
Gender: Female
Location: LA, Japanifornia
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:17 am
Posts: 6180
CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
What's with all the worry about their messing up Maya's character anyway? This is a legitimate question, guys. How could they completely ruin her character that it'd be beyond repair? Even if she seems a little flanderized in some sense, it isn't entirely a bad thing either.
Because fans don't WANT change. They don't WANT their character to mature beyond what little they see on-screen. They don't WANT to see that, being away from Nick (with potentially only mail contact, as evidenced by GS4 and GS5), has made Maya mature or transform into a person who is even remotely different from the bubbly, hyperactive and excited girl (note: GIRL) she was at age 19, over a decade ago.
C-A
Hmm. I seem to recall most of the comments posted in this thread consist of people wondering how Maya will change. Maybe a little, maybe a lot, maybe not at all...
Well, if they really didn't want change, then I suppose we don't need to see Maya in the game at all. There, the old Maya we know and love (or hate, whichever) will remain.
The home of the Gyakuten Saiban vs Ace Attorney blog: http://gyakutengagotoku.tumblr.com
1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: None specified
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Sun May 17, 2015 8:06 am
Posts: 52
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
What's with all the worry about their messing up Maya's character anyway? This is a legitimate question, guys. How could they completely ruin her character that it'd be beyond repair? Even if she seems a little flanderized in some sense, it isn't entirely a bad thing either.
As weird as this place gets, only CatMuto (and one or two others, but CatMuto is certainly the most vocal) seems to be the one particularly "concerned" (she appears to have motive for not wanting Maya back, just to note).
Hell, in an Internet forum first, it seems that the majority are more interested to see how Maya has changed. Normally by now everybody would be calling RUINED FOREVER or some nonsense.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Back in it, hopefully for the better
Gender: Female
Location: Colorado, USA
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:46 am
Posts: 177
whoknowscran wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
What's with all the worry about their messing up Maya's character anyway? This is a legitimate question, guys. How could they completely ruin her character that it'd be beyond repair? Even if she seems a little flanderized in some sense, it isn't entirely a bad thing either.
As weird as this place gets, only CatMuto (and one or two others, but CatMuto is certainly the most vocal) seems to be the one particularly "concerned" (she appears to have motive for not wanting Maya back, just to note).
Hell, in an Internet forum first, it seems that the majority are more interested to see how Maya has changed. Normally by now everybody would be calling RUINED FOREVER or some nonsense.
When you say that the Internet would usually scream "ruined forever", you don't consider the immense popularity and ingrained nature of Maya's role. Even if now she, as a main character or even a side character, has appeared in slightly less half the games (including Dai Gyakuten Saiban), her importance to the story and her memorable, if not endearing and like able, impact has made her a fan favorite by far. It also has to do with the main focus of story over the gameplay (you don't play the series for the deep and immersive gameplay features) and the tantalizing possibilities within the main story that lead to a creative oasis within the fanbase.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Great Revival
Gender: Male
Location: Location
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:40 am
Posts: 2453
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:04 pm
Posts: 216
Danchat wrote:
Hmmm... AJ is the best selling AA game in Japan. Though I can't explain to you why it was, I betcha they don't see it as "a mess".
I don't fully agree. It sold well, but the reception was polarizing at best. There's a reason original trilogy Phoenix and Maya are who you see in all the crossovers. Even in UMvC3, Phoenix's alternate costume was his Feenie sweater, not his hobo duds. He didn't even have a hobo color. Then Phoenix and Maya are together in PLvsAA and together again in Project X Zone 2. Apollo, despite actually becoming popular in DD, is nowhere to be seen outside of the new timeline (and some golf game cameo). Original Phoenix is the face of the games and he's never without Maya anywhere he goes. They're the duo that represent Ace Attorney.
whoknowscran wrote:
As weird as this place gets, only CatMuto (and one or two others, but CatMuto is certainly the most vocal) seems to be the one particularly "concerned" (she appears to have motive for not wanting Maya back, just to note).
I don't even understand the concern in the first place. Capcom isn't going to go "Maya's too precious, we can't ever touch her again or people will blog bad words about us!" It's not like they ask the internet's permission to design a new game. In fact, when they held a character popularity poll, Maya came in fourth (behind Apollo, Phoenix, and Edgeworth) and that marks her as the most popular female character and the highest ranking character not seen in the new timeline. What I'm saying is that they already have the internet's permission. If they somehow screw her up, we'll complain how we always do then buy the next game in the series anyway.
This whole conversation smacks of artificial controversy. Maya's gonna be back and she's gonna own bones like she always has.
(Source)
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Racing through the sky like a Missile
Gender: Female
Location: LA, Japanifornia
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:17 am
Posts: 6180
Now we just need someone to extract that theme from the trailer, loop it, and upload it somewhere for public use.
The home of the Gyakuten Saiban vs Ace Attorney blog: http://gyakutengagotoku.tumblr.com
1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
1/3/19 edit: The project has officially been moved to a new blog at https://gsvsaa.blogspot.com/ Further updates will be pending.
AA fanfiction archive: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31369
Yakuza/RGG fanfiction archive: https://archiveofourown.org/users/rubia ... /rubia_ryu
My misc translation and work promos here at http://rubiaryutheroyal.tumblr.com
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: None specified
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Sun May 17, 2015 8:06 am
Posts: 52
nevertalk wrote:
Danchat wrote:
Hmmm... AJ is the best selling AA game in Japan. Though I can't explain to you why it was, I betcha they don't see it as "a mess".
I don't fully agree. It sold well, but the reception was polarizing at best.
It's also notable that AA4 is the one title not to be ported to anything. It's still only available as a NDS cart, where as the original Trilogy got ported to the NDS, PC (in Japan), Wii, and an HD compilation on iOS and the 3DS (and I believe Android got one also in Japan?).
It seems not even Capcom were happy with it, as considering it's a mainline game it sure means a lot to avoid it.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gardevoir lover
Gender: Male
Location: Puerto rico
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:20 am
Posts: 2022
whoknowscran wrote:
It's also notable that AA4 is the one title not to be ported to anything. It's still only available as a NDS cart, where as the original Trilogy got ported to the NDS, PC (in Japan), Wii, and an HD compilation on iOS and the 3DS (and I believe Android got one also in Japan?).
It seems not even Capcom were happy with it, as considering it's a mainline game it sure means a lot to avoid it.
It seems not even Capcom were happy with it, as considering it's a mainline game it sure means a lot to avoid it.
I think the main reason it never got a port was due to the fact that so many fans complained about it when it came out that they figure something like that might happen if they rereleased it, this is just what i think though.
Honestly i'd buy a remake of Apollo justice with AA trilogy styled animations, i think it'd look pretty neat.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Doing the drywall at the new McDonalds
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Fri May 25, 2012 1:46 am
Posts: 1586
There's really no reason why AJ couldnt have been part of the trilogy (of course with it it wouldn't be a trilogy), as there aren't any features that it has that Rise From the Ashes didnt use. i'd love to have an HD version of AJ, as I actually like it more than JFA and T&T. But the DS sprites look better than the OT ones, so maybe its not as in need of an "HD" remix. An iOS release would be nice, though, so iOS users could have All the main games.
I used to have Sam Waterston as my avatar but photobucket added a watermark and also Law & Order has been cancelled for 10 years so it's time for me to move on.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Great Revival
Gender: Male
Location: Location
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:40 am
Posts: 2453
D.A. McCoy wrote:
(of course with it it wouldn't be a trilogy)
Well, it wouldn't be a proper trilogy, but y'know... *pulls out Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy*
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
Original Phoenix is the face of the games
Because it's called Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.
DURR!!Quote:
Maya's gonna be back and she's gonna own bones like she always has.
Own bones? Also, if she comes back, can't wait for her to be accused of murder. Again. For, like, the fourth time. And be kidnapped.
Quote:
because there's no indication that AJ is the 4th game to the average consumer.
Because localization was stupid and decided to give the localized titles as something that didn't make much sense. After all, it was called Gyakuten Saiban 4 in Japanese. Dunno why they felt like changing the titles so drastically.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: None specified
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Sun May 17, 2015 8:06 am
Posts: 52
CatMuto wrote:
Own bones? Also, if she comes back, can't wait for her to be accused of murder. Again. For, like, the fourth time. And be kidnapped.
Yes, Maya being convicted of something and Phoenix defending her is indeed a recurring trope-of-sorts of the series, and indeed an expectation of sorts. Because that's what happens with things that are a series, they have recurring gags, themes, tropes and trends which set them and their characters apart from others.
Also it'd be the 5th. PLvsAA did it 4th, to probably the best effect (while also dragging in/introducing the Professor Layton Plot Effect in full force, rather ironically).
Kidnapping only happened once, and as a plot device for motivation. See you made a mistake by pointing that out, as that's not a common trend with Maya at all, and just you furiously picking nits at a weak attempt to make a point.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:28 am
Posts: 16
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
Because that's what happens with things that are a series, they have recurring gags, themes, tropes and trends which set them and their characters apart from others.
Just because something has a recurring gag (*coughSTEPLADDERcough*) does not mean it actually is funny after it's happened more than one. Ditto with things like Maya being tried for murder. The first time, okay, the idiot police fell for the "dying message" shit and it served as a long introduction to Maya.
Second time... even IF it was necessary to point out how Morgan was a conniving, scheming bitch (which was totally a surprise to me, guys, like wow), it was annoying. It had already been done! The only difference being that Maya did feel responsible, though she wasn't actually.
Third time it happened, it... OmG, aside from it being overused, it was just... 3-5. Getting. Dragged. Out. It was boring, way too long and obviousness upon obviousness (from the beginning), so that section was just shit, shit, shit.
Keep Maya OUT of the game, please. It's obvious, if she is IN the game, she will be held accountable for a death, which we know will never actually happen (because that would be different and exciting and we can't have that in a game). So instead of making us tredge through ANOTHER case of "Maya is totally not the killer!", kindly leave her out.
Quote:
whole Thalassa connection business really resolved anymore
What connection? All Phoenix has to do is "Btw, you're half-siblings" and done. There's... not really much of a connection thing that needs to be expanded or dragged out. Unless they do it like this. In which case, yeah, that should be done earlier.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Male
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:28 am
Posts: 16
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: None specified
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Sun May 17, 2015 8:06 am
Posts: 52
Still not sure what CatMuto's case is, though. She's done nothing but dispense hate for Maya in this thread. Can't think why, or why she even cares to do so.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Call me James
Gender: Male
Location: At Fishman Island
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:52 pm
Posts: 592
Phoenix spent a lot of time with her. And now they're both pretty much the head of their own organisation. But...does this mean they can never see each other again? And we've come into what can be considered a new era. I for one would like to see her reaction to perhaps meeting the rest of the team. She didn't mention any of them in her letter she sent (as in, "say hello to Trucy for me!", as one might do). To me, that sort of suggests she doesn't know them close enough, or not at all. It'd be nice for someone Phoenix knew back in the good ol' days to meet the rest of the Wright Anything Agency, seeing as how it can lead to some jokes. Like Trucy asking Maya how to get money from Phoenix or something.
Don't take this the wrong way, though. Just a thought of mine.
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm
Posts: 9918
Quote:
What matters is thinking about it in terms of the characters and what they'd do after not seeing someone for so long.
You want me to ignore reality and pretend a What If scenario, of what I think it'd be like if these were actual, real-life people I knew?
And I still say, they're both busy with their own thing and have been keeping contact through letters. It's not like Maya leaving to take her position as Master of Kurain rendered all contact null and void and they haven't heard from each other in 10 years.
Quote:
It'd be nice for someone Phoenix knew back in the good ol' days to meet the rest of the Wright Anything Agency, seeing as how it can lead to some jokes
Then bring Larry in. Bring Larry in, get shocked at Trucy being Phoenix's 'daughter' and even try to mentally calculate if that would even be possible. (Age-wise: Yes)
Quote:
Like Trucy asking Maya how to get money from Phoenix or something.
Why would TRUCY need to ask for money from PHOENIX? Trucy's magic shows were, like, their biggest income when he was playing poker. Trucy was more the bread-winner in their little family than Phoenix.
C-A
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Great Revival
Gender: Male
Location: Location
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:40 am
Posts: 2453
Re: Ace Attorney 6 live stage show at TGS - Apollo, demo foo
Call me James
Gender: Male
Location: At Fishman Island
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:52 pm
Posts: 592
CatMuto wrote:
You want me to ignore reality and pretend a What If scenario, of what I think it'd be like if these were actual, real-life people I knew?
What I said was don't focus on them just being "a videogame character". And if I'm being frank, none of them "exist" to begin with. They are all characters in a game. But I'm sure the people making Ace Attorney (or any game with a half-decent plot) all focus on stuff like how the characters would feel if a certain event happens or doesn't happen to them. Isn't that how stories are even told, and how characters become less one-dimensional?
Quote:
And I still say, they're both busy with their own thing and have been keeping contact through letters. It's not like Maya leaving to take her position as Master of Kurain rendered all contact null and void and they haven't heard from each other in 10 years.
Fair enough. But I know pretty well that letters, phone-calls, etc sometimes aren't enough when being away from people you care about. Visits can be nice. But maybe that's just me.
Quote:
Then bring Larry in. Bring Larry in, get shocked at Trucy being Phoenix's 'daughter' and even try to mentally calculate if that would even be possible. (Age-wise: Yes)
If I remember, even Phoenix was getting pretty annoyed at Larry's shenanigans at the end of the trilogy. And even I was, to be honest. He has his place, but so do most characters.
Quote:
Why would TRUCY need to ask for money from PHOENIX? Trucy's magic shows were, like, their biggest income when he was playing poker. Trucy was more the bread-winner in their little family than Phoenix.
C-A
C-A
I've been playing Apollo Justice, and there's a line that caught my eye. She mentions that she's gotten an advance on her pocket money from Phoenix to buy lots of Gavinners singles and such. So yeah. Something of that nature.
Once again, just trying to make my point. Apologies if I sounded a bit harsh to begin with.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 54 guests
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
News
Site map
SitemapIndex
RSS Feed
