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Originally Posted on the Gamefaqs PW:AA Board, lol.

Some of you may have seen it but I decided to post it here for expert opinion. I started one from JFA but never got to the last 3 cases for that one XD



Spoiler: Case 1
Case 1- The First Turnabout
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Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright/Mia Fey
Defendant: Larry Butz
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Victim: Cindy Stone
Witness: Frank Sawit


Before Court: Butz and Sawit would be interrogated by the Police with Butz likely named a "Person of Interest" because of his relationship with the deceased. Investigators would also question neighbors to see if either of their testimonies would hold water in court. Since we all know Frank "Did it", he'd likely crack in the face of ANY Law Enforcement Agency. That and Investigators would more than likely easily be able to figure out pre-trial what Wright did in the game.

Court Date: Assuming Frank confesses, he would stand trial for the murder and Larry would be acquitted if he was named a suspect. Sawit would probably be charged with First-Degree Murder and Grand Larceny. Remember--he's a burglar by trade so...yeah.

If Wright were involved: He probably wouldn't since the guy he would be representing was already acquitted.

My Comments: If you ask me, seeing THIS case in an actual courtroom would be pretty sweet and the Prosecution would have a field day explaining to the court what we know from the game. I tell you, he couldn't possibly be able to plead innocent with all the Concrete Evidence thrown at him like that. Hands-down a judge or jury would find him guilty.



Spoiler: Case 2
Case 2-Turnabout Sisters
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Maya Fey and Phoenix Wright
Victim: Mia Fey
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Marvin Grossberg, Redd White, April May, Bellboy


Before Court: Investigators would likely not be so willing to name Wright and Maya as suspects since Wright was trained by Mia and Maya, her sister obviously love each other dearly. Despite White's Blackmailing Business, there's no question the Media would have a Field Day once the contents of the Empty Thinker was made known. Add to that the Wiretap found in April May's room, the obvious fact that th Bellboy SAW White in the Hotel Room AND the fact that he's known to blackmail and...yeah. They (Investigators, the Prosecution and the DA) would probably spend their time trying to nail White with SOMETHING knowing Mia had been investigating him for awhile.

Court Date: Assuming the team finds something, Redd White would face charges for the murder of Mia Fey and conspiracy. April would obviously face charges for illegal possession of a wire tap and being an accessory to murder.

If Wright were involved: He'd testify against White, most likely.

If Edgeworth were involved: He'd probably be key to cracking White in court.

My Comments: Basically everyone would band together to make White confess and the media storm alone would speed that up quite a bit.


Spoiler: Case 3
Case 3-Turnabout Samurai
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Will Powers
Victim: Jack Hammer
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Wendy Oldbag, Penny Nicholas, Sal Manella, Cody Hackins and Dee Vasquez


Before Court: Investigators wouls question EVERYONE who was at the Studios on the day of the murder--Oldbag, Vasquez, Manella--EVERYONE. The Surveilance Evidence, the "missing" Costume, the fact that no blood was found in Studio 1 (where Hammer's body was discovered) and Cody's Photo alone would be enough to proove that Powers could not have killed Hammer. The story of the actor who died in a freak accident in Studio 2 would also bring up the possibility of sucide or self-defense. That, the plate of steak AND the bottle of sleeping pills in the Employee Area would be more than enough to clear Powers.


Court Date: Hammer's death would be ruled accidental and I doubt Vasquez would face any charges despite what she did to him leading up to his death. Oh, and Powers would be cleared of all charges.

If Wright were involved: He'd have an easy time prooving Powers had nothing to do with Hammer's death.

If Edgeworth were involved: He'd probably try to find some way make Vasquez responsible for Hammer's death...only to wake up one night with her "Associates" preparing to "punish" him XD

My Comments: It would be a very bizzare case, if anything. Powers' demeanor alone would likely be to his favor, of course. He may look like a musclehead but he's just a BIG teddybear.



Spoiler: Case 4
Case 4-Turnabout Goodbyes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Miles Edgeworth
Victim: Robert Hammond
Prosecution: Lana Skye
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Lotta Hart, Yanni Yogi, Miles Edgeworth, Larry Butz and Manfred von Karma

Before Court: It would all go back to the DL-6 Incident. the keys to cracking this case lie there. It should also easily explain Edgeworth's reaction when he hid under the counter at the Detention Center. A THOROUGH Investigation of DL-6 would've probably prevented this case from happening but oh well. The bullet in Von Karma's arm would probably be picked up in Airport Security. Would would think Lana Skye would've been the better choice as the Prosecutor of this case--Von Karma was involved with DL-6, after all.

Court Date: Edgeworth, Von Karma and Yanni Yogi (after undergoing some competency testing, of course) would all be asked to testify abour DL-6. Since Edgeworth was unconscious after the gun went off and there was indeed a bullet hole in the elevator, it'd be easy to figure out someone else had been shot before Edgeworth's father was. Von Karma would be tried for murder for DL-6 (despite fooling the dead according to the game which in itself, is impressive) right when the statue of limitations would be set to run out. As for the current case, Yogi's confession would clear Edgeworth as well, the descisive evenidence being the obvious fact that Yogi had animosity towards the Edgeworths and Hammond.

If Wright was involved: He'd immediately bring up DL-6 and everyone involved. This would of course lead to everything described above.

If Skye was involved: No doubt she, too would bring up DL-6 but try to proove the gun Edgeworth discharged was the one that killed his father. She'd also try to discredit Yogi's confession to boot by saying at the time, he was "legally insane".


My Comments: This would probably top the OJ Simpson case XD Did he or did he not kill Gregory Edgeworth and if not, who did?


Spoiler: Case 5
Case 5-Rise from the Ashes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Lana Skye and Officer Michael Meekins
Victim(s): Bruce Goodman and Bruce Goodman(?)
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Miles Edgeworth Ema Skye, Lana Skye, Angel Starr, Officer Jake Marshall, Officer Michael Meekins and Commissioner Damon Gant.


Before Court (SL-9): First off, the FBI and Internal Affairs would be involved. Considering everyone involved (except Gumshoe) was involved in the "imfamous" SL-9 Incident, it's likely the FBI and IA would launch an investigation to find out exactly what happened that led to the death of Neil Marshall. Darke was already going to get death so Lana Skye didn't need to plant evidence. Still, she'd go to trial for forgery like in the game.

And now for the Current Case (Part 1): Lana and Ema's phone records would be examined. Edgeworth would likely be questioned since Goodman's body was found in the trunk of his car and because of what happend to him in Case 4. Starr and Jake Marshall would likely be questioned because of their involvement in SL-9--Starr more so since she was fired for no apparent reason. The circumstances behind Lana Skye suddenly becoming Chief Prosecutor would also be investigated, leading back to SL-9 and what Gant did. Flash forward to now.

Current Case (Part 2): Meekins would be cleared since of course--at the same time Goodman was stabbed in the Evidence Room, Lana had just been placed under citizen's arrest by Angel Skye. At the same time the Evidence Room Incident happened, Skye had just opened the trunk of Edgeworth's car (maybe to frame him?) and Starr looked in time to see her thrust Darke's switchblade into Goodman's already dead body (of course, Starr didn't know he was already dead).

Court Date: ASSUMING Goodman was secretly working for IA on the side and Gant somehow found out, that would be his motivation for killing him. Of course, Lana would be tried for forgery and Gant for that, forging Evidence and abuse of power--he killed Goodman, helped cover up Neil's death, demoted Jake, fired Starr (for no reason, of course), set up Meekins and fired Gumshoe during an active investigation. That ALONE would give him life without parole and the Media would be all over it. Jake would face charges for assaulting Meekins but that probably be overlooked because of everything that happened up to then.

After Court: DL-9 would finally be closed. IA would take of the Department. Gumshoe, Jake and Starr would likely be asked to help run the force while it's restructured. I assume Ema would live with Edgeworth until Lana gets out.

If Wright were involved: He might want seek help from Mia, Grossberg and Johnny Cohrain. No, really. There's no WAY he'd be able to get Lana Innocent without consulting someone.

If Edgeworth were involved: After getting cleared of involvement and a few visits to his psychiatrist, he'd likely help Wright, leaving Payne as the prosecutor (this of course is pre-JFA). He would also want to know WHY Lana decided to transport Goodman's body in HIS car with her knowing what he'd been through 2 months ago. I'd assume Lana would leave Ema in his care than leave her to the state.

My Comments: Seriously though, I'm shocked CSI and Law & Order haven't considered making their own rendition of this case cause it is, in a nutshell, a high-profile case. You've got the worst case of Police Corruption Scandal in recent memory AND the same guy getting killed in two places at the same time?! If I were the producer, I would definitely want to look into making a dramatization of this case!

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Thus concludes my US Court System Scenarios for this game.

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Um...thats SL-9, mate.
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Yeah, at the time I first did this I didn't play cases 2, 4 and 5 enough to differentiate them. I'll fix 'em now XD
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Nice bit of analyzing. Though in case 5,
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Didn't Lana stab the body with Edgeworth's knife and hid Darke's?
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Darke's knife as Evidence is ignored throughout the case, I noticed XD
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If the first game used the US Court System, every single case would have been called a mistrial within the first five minutes.
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Sorry to say this, but I disagree with you here.

Spoiler: Case 1
Case 1- The First Turnabout
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Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright/Mia Fey
Defendant: Larry Butz
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Victim: Cindy Stone
Witness: Frank Sawit


Before Court: When police hears the witness, Frankie, it is likely that they'll grow suspicous of him. However, should they choice to persude Frank instead, they will find very little evidence. It is most likely that they will go ageanst Larry, simply because he has a motive. Grow suspecious of Frank? Likely, however, it doesn't mean that they won't see Larry as the main charracter in the crime. Remember, Frank only confess in court after Phoenix proves that it couldn't have been any other way, and after he accidently overtalks.

Court Date: Most possible that the defense (non-wright) skips the small detail about the time the body was found, or even if he presses on, it is probably most likely that the court will dismiss it as being irellevant. Such a small detail would not be something to continue further on. Especially when the jury has stamped Larry guilty after his little she-dog outburst and the fact that everything points as a normal common love-murder.

If Wright were involved: No diffrence. He'd just be seen as that screaming defense attorney that doesn't know what he's doing. And he isn't much more at this point, either.

My Comments: It is very lucky that Phoenix even got through with this. I think Larry would have been found guilty too fast for Sahwit to confess. Remember, Phoenix 'survived' purely on the Judge's 'hmm, let us hear from the witness'.



Spoiler: Case 2
Case 2-Turnabout Sisters
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Maya Fey and Phoenix Wright
Victim: Mia Fey
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Marvin Grossberg, Redd White, April May, Bellboy


Before Court: Everyone on the investigation team is ordered to ignore basic evidence. They will be coached to do exactly what Redd White says, and hence, won't be able to find any evidence conficting Redd White. It doesn't do so in the game either, so no much diffrence, really. Maya will end up with a very bad defense attorney, unless Wright steps in.

Court Date: Defense attorney pleads guilty after 2 seconds. Maya is found guilty of murder. End of story. Ends after April Fay.

If Wright were involved: It is likely that Phoenix will find evidence to contradict April May. It is also likely that he will find out about the wire tapping. However: This won't do him any good. He broke into a private room, and all he's doing is getting himself found guilty of alot of diffrent things and the wire tapping would be seen as illigal and non-existant evidence. Oh, and even if he managed to battle through court, there isn't much he can do. Redd White will see him as a thread, and have him and Maya declaired Terrorists, get the CIA to 'arrest' them, and throw them into Guantanamo. THE END.

If Edgeworth were involved: No diffrence what so ever. It is possible that he may smell the rotten fruit, but it is most likely that the pressure he has above will force him to ignore it.

My Comments: Phoenix is doomed. Nobody can take on whoever controls the president.... and even if he somehow manages to survive, the president has the right to pardon, mmm? After all, someone in jail still has the power to slip things out to the press, right? Whoopsie.


Spoiler: Case 3
Case 3-Turnabout Samurai
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Will Powers
Victim: Jack Hammer
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Wendy Oldbag, Penny Nicholas, Sal Manella, Cody Hackins and Dee Vasquez


Before Court: Investigation will not find out about the meeting that happened at the other studio, but they WILL notice some details about the dead body that makes them clear off the spear as the murder weapon. It is unlikely if Will Powers will be charged with anything, as he has no reason to do anything. Oh, and the media rape will basicly mean the progress the police makes will be for naught. Although it is likely that the media will make Will Powers instant-guilty. Which might have an effect on if the police takes him as a suspect.

Court Date: I strongly doubt this case will ever make it to the court. And even if Will is accused, police will already have found the drugs in question by this time. The defense attorney could be terrible and still win. But Vasquez? Hard pressed to be found.

If Wright were involved: See above. No diffrence. The only other evidence, the steel samurai picture, would Wright easily take on and figure out.

If Edgeworth were involved: If Edgeworth was in charge, it is likely that they will find out that Dee was present at the studio. It is also possible that he will put her as the defendant. But it's doubtful.

My Comments: I don't think this case will get anywhere. It is impossible for the prosecution to prove that Will Powers was in the costume, especially with evidence pointing to the opposite. All that will come of it will be a scandal that halts the Steel Samurai production immidietly. Pink Princess and Nickel Samurai are never made.



Spoiler: Case 4
Case 4-Turnabout Goodbyes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Miles Edgeworth
Victim: Robert Hammond
Prosecution: Lana Skye
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Lotta Hart, Yanni Yogi, Miles Edgeworth, Larry Butz and Manfred von Karma

Before Court: I agree that it is VERY likely that DL-6 is re-opened, once they find out who the victim is. All the evidence points at Edgeworth, and on top of that, he even has a motive from that case (as he is likely to blame Robert Hammond for letting Yanni get away).

Court Date: I agree that this will focus on the DL-6 incident. Especially since dobious plead of insanity it is likely that Yanni will be taken in as actually have done it. If they find out who it is. Which I actually doubt they will. Edgeworth would be found guilty because everything points to him. The End.

If Wright was involved: He'd find out that Yanni is who he is. However, this would just mean that Edgeworth admits that he shot his own father. The End.

If Manfred was involved: He'd most likely be able to contain data on DL-6, making Edgeworth instant-guilty. If both Phoenix and Manfred are present, than it might be possible to get Manfred cracked and dig more into DL-6, but no further than Edgeworth admitting guilt.

My Comments: Manfred is untouchable here. I don't see how he could be found guilty of anything. Edgeworth is doomed, no matter which way it goes.


Spoiler: Case 5
Case 5-Rise from the Ashes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Lana Skye and Officer Michael Meekins
Victim(s): Bruce Goodman and Bruce Goodman(?)
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Miles Edgeworth Ema Skye, Lana Skye, Angel Starr, Officer Jake Marshall, Officer Michael Meekins and Commissioner Damon Gant.


Before Court (SL-9): Like case 4, SL-9 will instantly be reopened. Gant will be put aside as internal affairs or CIA, as I agree with you here, will take over investigation. It will be likely that they find out what happened. Maybe some of it.

Before Court: As Gant has been put out of investigation, it is more than likely that the car will be throughoutly examinated. They will not only conclude that they were right about SL-9 (note and knife), and Starr will be found to not be able to witness impartial due to her connections. It will be assumed that Mike Meekins had nothing to do with the murder, and the 2nd investigation is delt with at the same time as the first. This means that they will be unsure if Lana even did it, but they take her as being prime suspect. Edgeworth will also be a suspect (again!) due to the fact that it's his car.

Court Date: Edgeworth WILL testify about how he drove back, I agree. It should be painfully obvious that the car was driven, which is supported by the fact that Angel Starrs witness account is never given! This puts the focus on the other case, and whoops - there is this ID card scanner. Not only will Jake be taken into account for the fact that he, too, was in SL-9, but Gant will be very easily taken because the police will find out he actually was inside. Whoops. Gant is likely to be found guilty. However, wether or not he is found guilty of murder in SL-9 is uncertain - it is more likely that Ema is found guilty here.

If Wright were involved: Ema might not be found guilty, and Gant might instead. Else not much.

My Comments: This one is more easily solved if Gant is taken out of comission. But I don't think that the entire truth will be unearthed.

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Heh, I remember reading this on GF. I forget, did you do one for JFA?
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Spoiler: Case 5
Ive always wondered...whatever happened to the footage of Gant killing Goodman? Even if Gant erased it, Im sure the police would have been surprised at the long "blank" in the recordstarting right after gant entered the evidence room...
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Marshall stated that footage gets erased anyway if nothing happens, so a video of Gant killing Goodman, or the lack of one, could not be used as evidence.
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What do you mean? I thought the video footage got erased every four hours. If that were the case then at the time that the Meekins/Marshal footage (...lol) was found then the Gant/Goodman (both pairings start with the same letter...*cough* anyway) footage would have still been their too.
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Gant erased the footage of him killing Goodman. He could just use the excuse that footage gets deleted anyway if the police ever asked about a blank spot.
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Gant erased the footage of him killing Goodman. He could just use the excuse that footage gets deleted anyway if the police ever asked about a blank spot.

Yes, well it still would have looked mighty suspicious. Gant entered the evidence room at 4:20, and had finished up by 4:40, at which point edgeworth came in. Marshall came in at 4:13, followed within seconds by Meekins. That "crime" then occured. An officer awoke Meekins at 5:30.

Now, if all occured in this fashion, the police would have discovered a bloody handprint in the evidence room. It is highly probable that they would check the security room footage to find out why it was there. At this time, presuming the latest at which they checked was 6, they would discover a twenty minute "blank", starting when Gant entered the evidence room, over the course of which a bloody handprint was placed. The tape wouldnt be logically deleted until 8:40 PM, and there is no way that the police would not discover the traces of murder, namely the blood traces on the floor after until after that time.

What happened at the prosecutors office is this: Lana commits her "crime", which Angel witnesses. Angel detains her and Lana is arrested.

The police would have already seen the footage of Goodman in the room, and would logically wonder why he was dead at the prosecutors office but on film in the evidence room. they would see this blank, starting with gants enterance and ending with a blood stain on the wall, and would hopefully draw the approporiate conclusions.
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Mikker wrote:
Sorry to say this, but I disagree with you here.

Spoiler: Case 1
Case 1- The First Turnabout
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Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright/Mia Fey
Defendant: Larry Butz
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Victim: Cindy Stone
Witness: Frank Sawit


Before Court: When police hears the witness, Frankie, it is likely that they'll grow suspicous of him. However, should they choice to persude Frank instead, they will find very little evidence. It is most likely that they will go ageanst Larry, simply because he has a motive. Grow suspecious of Frank? Likely, however, it doesn't mean that they won't see Larry as the main charracter in the crime. Remember, Frank only confess in court after Phoenix proves that it couldn't have been any other way, and after he accidently overtalks.

Court Date: Most possible that the defense (non-wright) skips the small detail about the time the body was found, or even if he presses on, it is probably most likely that the court will dismiss it as being irellevant. Such a small detail would not be something to continue further on. Especially when the jury has stamped Larry guilty after his little she-dog outburst and the fact that everything points as a normal common love-murder.

If Wright were involved: No diffrence. He'd just be seen as that screaming defense attorney that doesn't know what he's doing. And he isn't much more at this point, either.

My Comments: It is very lucky that Phoenix even got through with this. I think Larry would have been found guilty too fast for Sahwit to confess. Remember, Phoenix 'survived' purely on the Judge's 'hmm, let us hear from the witness'.



Spoiler: Case 2
Case 2-Turnabout Sisters
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Maya Fey and Phoenix Wright
Victim: Mia Fey
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Marvin Grossberg, Redd White, April May, Bellboy


Before Court: Everyone on the investigation team is ordered to ignore basic evidence. They will be coached to do exactly what Redd White says, and hence, won't be able to find any evidence conficting Redd White. It doesn't do so in the game either, so no much diffrence, really. Maya will end up with a very bad defense attorney, unless Wright steps in.

Court Date: Defense attorney pleads guilty after 2 seconds. Maya is found guilty of murder. End of story. Ends after April Fay.

If Wright were involved: It is likely that Phoenix will find evidence to contradict April May. It is also likely that he will find out about the wire tapping. However: This won't do him any good. He broke into a private room, and all he's doing is getting himself found guilty of alot of diffrent things and the wire tapping would be seen as illigal and non-existant evidence. Oh, and even if he managed to battle through court, there isn't much he can do. Redd White will see him as a thread, and have him and Maya declaired Terrorists, get the CIA to 'arrest' them, and throw them into Guantanamo. THE END.

If Edgeworth were involved: No diffrence what so ever. It is possible that he may smell the rotten fruit, but it is most likely that the pressure he has above will force him to ignore it.

My Comments: Phoenix is doomed. Nobody can take on whoever controls the president.... and even if he somehow manages to survive, the president has the right to pardon, mmm? After all, someone in jail still has the power to slip things out to the press, right? Whoopsie.


Spoiler: Case 3
Case 3-Turnabout Samurai
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Will Powers
Victim: Jack Hammer
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Wendy Oldbag, Penny Nicholas, Sal Manella, Cody Hackins and Dee Vasquez


Before Court: Investigation will not find out about the meeting that happened at the other studio, but they WILL notice some details about the dead body that makes them clear off the spear as the murder weapon. It is unlikely if Will Powers will be charged with anything, as he has no reason to do anything. Oh, and the media rape will basicly mean the progress the police makes will be for naught. Although it is likely that the media will make Will Powers instant-guilty. Which might have an effect on if the police takes him as a suspect.

Court Date: I strongly doubt this case will ever make it to the court. And even if Will is accused, police will already have found the drugs in question by this time. The defense attorney could be terrible and still win. But Vasquez? Hard pressed to be found.

If Wright were involved: See above. No diffrence. The only other evidence, the steel samurai picture, would Wright easily take on and figure out.

If Edgeworth were involved: If Edgeworth was in charge, it is likely that they will find out that Dee was present at the studio. It is also possible that he will put her as the defendant. But it's doubtful.

My Comments: I don't think this case will get anywhere. It is impossible for the prosecution to prove that Will Powers was in the costume, especially with evidence pointing to the opposite. All that will come of it will be a scandal that halts the Steel Samurai production immidietly. Pink Princess and Nickel Samurai are never made.



Spoiler: Case 4
Case 4-Turnabout Goodbyes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Miles Edgeworth
Victim: Robert Hammond
Prosecution: Lana Skye
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Lotta Hart, Yanni Yogi, Miles Edgeworth, Larry Butz and Manfred von Karma

Before Court: I agree that it is VERY likely that DL-6 is re-opened, once they find out who the victim is. All the evidence points at Edgeworth, and on top of that, he even has a motive from that case (as he is likely to blame Robert Hammond for letting Yanni get away).

Court Date: I agree that this will focus on the DL-6 incident. Especially since dobious plead of insanity it is likely that Yanni will be taken in as actually have done it. If they find out who it is. Which I actually doubt they will. Edgeworth would be found guilty because everything points to him. The End.

If Wright was involved: He'd find out that Yanni is who he is. However, this would just mean that Edgeworth admits that he shot his own father. The End.

If Manfred was involved: He'd most likely be able to contain data on DL-6, making Edgeworth instant-guilty. If both Phoenix and Manfred are present, than it might be possible to get Manfred cracked and dig more into DL-6, but no further than Edgeworth admitting guilt.

My Comments: Manfred is untouchable here. I don't see how he could be found guilty of anything. Edgeworth is doomed, no matter which way it goes.


Spoiler: Case 5
Case 5-Rise from the Ashes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Lana Skye and Officer Michael Meekins
Victim(s): Bruce Goodman and Bruce Goodman(?)
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Miles Edgeworth Ema Skye, Lana Skye, Angel Starr, Officer Jake Marshall, Officer Michael Meekins and Commissioner Damon Gant.


Before Court (SL-9): Like case 4, SL-9 will instantly be reopened. Gant will be put aside as internal affairs or CIA, as I agree with you here, will take over investigation. It will be likely that they find out what happened. Maybe some of it.

Before Court: As Gant has been put out of investigation, it is more than likely that the car will be throughoutly examinated. They will not only conclude that they were right about SL-9 (note and knife), and Starr will be found to not be able to witness impartial due to her connections. It will be assumed that Mike Meekins had nothing to do with the murder, and the 2nd investigation is delt with at the same time as the first. This means that they will be unsure if Lana even did it, but they take her as being prime suspect. Edgeworth will also be a suspect (again!) due to the fact that it's his car.

Court Date: Edgeworth WILL testify about how he drove back, I agree. It should be painfully obvious that the car was driven, which is supported by the fact that Angel Starrs witness account is never given! This puts the focus on the other case, and whoops - there is this ID card scanner. Not only will Jake be taken into account for the fact that he, too, was in SL-9, but Gant will be very easily taken because the police will find out he actually was inside. Whoops. Gant is likely to be found guilty. However, wether or not he is found guilty of murder in SL-9 is uncertain - it is more likely that Ema is found guilty here.

If Wright were involved: Ema might not be found guilty, and Gant might instead. Else not much.

My Comments: This one is more easily solved if Gant is taken out of comission. But I don't think that the entire truth will be unearthed.



I'm impressed with your deductions. Mine is based on the assumption the Investigation for Cases 1 to 4 are thorough. A few things I wanted to point out I think you may have missed, though--


Spoiler: Case 1
Larry's fingerprints weren't on the Murder Weapon. Also technically, Larry didn't confess to the crime. He'd likely be held in contempt for his outburst, though. Also Larry DIDN'T have a motive to want her dead. He clearly isn't the stalking type and his outburst was the result of him being distraught over her death.



Spoiler: Case 2
At the very least, Wright would get Maya acquitted. That would likely be priority before going after the murderer. A quick look through Mia's Office would reveal the missing files so...yeah. Mia threatened to take what she knew about him to the Media and I can tell you the President isn't going to let White bee the cause of his Impeachment (ala Nixon). You can bet Maya would channel her, who would in turn tell Wright everything she knows about White.

Edgeworth would automatically get suspicious, too because of the sudden urge to have Mia's death pinned on her sister and understudy. After SL-9 it's doubtful Edgeworth would unwillingly make the same mistake again.



Spoiler: Case 4
It's never mentioned, let alone IMPLIED that Edgeworth had animosity towards Hammond. He even SAYS the reason he became a Prosecutor is to punish himself for the death of his father. Remember: Edgeworth when his father died. He was traumatized more than anything--his reaction to that Earthquake is further proof. You also seemed to ignore the obvious fact that it would be for LANA SKYE to decide what's relevant to the case and what isn't as the Prosecutor in charge of the case.

If von Karma tries to interfere she'll catch on to his game. You can tell from her demeanor in Casr 5 that she's not one to be pushed around as well. At the very least, this would give Edgeworth a chance in court. There's that bullet hole in the elevator from DL-6. The trajectory from the gun that fired when Edgeworth was 9 would show that it couldn't have been the bullet that killed his father. It's doubtful his confession after the fact would be relevant despite it being the last day of the Statue of Limitations.

The Witnesses from the current case would at the very least proove that more than one shot was fired--for all anyone knows, Hammond was sniped from a distance. Add to that Lotta's pictures and...yeah.

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mario2000 wrote:
Heh, I remember reading this on GF. I forget, did you do one for JFA?



I started one but I never finished XD

I think I will tomorrow after work ;)
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Sorry to say this, but I disagree with you here.

Spoiler: Case 1
Case 1- The First Turnabout
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Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright/Mia Fey
Defendant: Larry Butz
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Victim: Cindy Stone
Witness: Frank Sawit


Before Court: When police hears the witness, Frankie, it is likely that they'll grow suspicous of him. However, should they choice to persude Frank instead, they will find very little evidence. It is most likely that they will go ageanst Larry, simply because he has a motive. Grow suspecious of Frank? Likely, however, it doesn't mean that they won't see Larry as the main charracter in the crime. Remember, Frank only confess in court after Phoenix proves that it couldn't have been any other way, and after he accidently overtalks.

Court Date: Most possible that the defense (non-wright) skips the small detail about the time the body was found, or even if he presses on, it is probably most likely that the court will dismiss it as being irellevant. Such a small detail would not be something to continue further on. Especially when the jury has stamped Larry guilty after his little she-dog outburst and the fact that everything points as a normal common love-murder.

If Wright were involved: No diffrence. He'd just be seen as that screaming defense attorney that doesn't know what he's doing. And he isn't much more at this point, either.

My Comments: It is very lucky that Phoenix even got through with this. I think Larry would have been found guilty too fast for Sahwit to confess. Remember, Phoenix 'survived' purely on the Judge's 'hmm, let us hear from the witness'.



Spoiler: Case 2
Case 2-Turnabout Sisters
=====================

Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Maya Fey and Phoenix Wright
Victim: Mia Fey
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Marvin Grossberg, Redd White, April May, Bellboy


Before Court: Everyone on the investigation team is ordered to ignore basic evidence. They will be coached to do exactly what Redd White says, and hence, won't be able to find any evidence conficting Redd White. It doesn't do so in the game either, so no much diffrence, really. Maya will end up with a very bad defense attorney, unless Wright steps in.

Court Date: Defense attorney pleads guilty after 2 seconds. Maya is found guilty of murder. End of story. Ends after April Fay.

If Wright were involved: It is likely that Phoenix will find evidence to contradict April May. It is also likely that he will find out about the wire tapping. However: This won't do him any good. He broke into a private room, and all he's doing is getting himself found guilty of alot of diffrent things and the wire tapping would be seen as illigal and non-existant evidence. Oh, and even if he managed to battle through court, there isn't much he can do. Redd White will see him as a thread, and have him and Maya declaired Terrorists, get the CIA to 'arrest' them, and throw them into Guantanamo. THE END.

If Edgeworth were involved: No diffrence what so ever. It is possible that he may smell the rotten fruit, but it is most likely that the pressure he has above will force him to ignore it.

My Comments: Phoenix is doomed. Nobody can take on whoever controls the president.... and even if he somehow manages to survive, the president has the right to pardon, mmm? After all, someone in jail still has the power to slip things out to the press, right? Whoopsie.


Spoiler: Case 3
Case 3-Turnabout Samurai
=======================

Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Will Powers
Victim: Jack Hammer
Prosecution: Miles Edgeworth
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Wendy Oldbag, Penny Nicholas, Sal Manella, Cody Hackins and Dee Vasquez


Before Court: Investigation will not find out about the meeting that happened at the other studio, but they WILL notice some details about the dead body that makes them clear off the spear as the murder weapon. It is unlikely if Will Powers will be charged with anything, as he has no reason to do anything. Oh, and the media rape will basicly mean the progress the police makes will be for naught. Although it is likely that the media will make Will Powers instant-guilty. Which might have an effect on if the police takes him as a suspect.

Court Date: I strongly doubt this case will ever make it to the court. And even if Will is accused, police will already have found the drugs in question by this time. The defense attorney could be terrible and still win. But Vasquez? Hard pressed to be found.

If Wright were involved: See above. No diffrence. The only other evidence, the steel samurai picture, would Wright easily take on and figure out.

If Edgeworth were involved: If Edgeworth was in charge, it is likely that they will find out that Dee was present at the studio. It is also possible that he will put her as the defendant. But it's doubtful.

My Comments: I don't think this case will get anywhere. It is impossible for the prosecution to prove that Will Powers was in the costume, especially with evidence pointing to the opposite. All that will come of it will be a scandal that halts the Steel Samurai production immidietly. Pink Princess and Nickel Samurai are never made.



Spoiler: Case 4
Case 4-Turnabout Goodbyes
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Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Miles Edgeworth
Victim: Robert Hammond
Prosecution: Lana Skye
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Lotta Hart, Yanni Yogi, Miles Edgeworth, Larry Butz and Manfred von Karma

Before Court: I agree that it is VERY likely that DL-6 is re-opened, once they find out who the victim is. All the evidence points at Edgeworth, and on top of that, he even has a motive from that case (as he is likely to blame Robert Hammond for letting Yanni get away).

Court Date: I agree that this will focus on the DL-6 incident. Especially since dobious plead of insanity it is likely that Yanni will be taken in as actually have done it. If they find out who it is. Which I actually doubt they will. Edgeworth would be found guilty because everything points to him. The End.

If Wright was involved: He'd find out that Yanni is who he is. However, this would just mean that Edgeworth admits that he shot his own father. The End.

If Manfred was involved: He'd most likely be able to contain data on DL-6, making Edgeworth instant-guilty. If both Phoenix and Manfred are present, than it might be possible to get Manfred cracked and dig more into DL-6, but no further than Edgeworth admitting guilt.

My Comments: Manfred is untouchable here. I don't see how he could be found guilty of anything. Edgeworth is doomed, no matter which way it goes.


Spoiler: Case 5
Case 5-Rise from the Ashes
========================

Defense: Phoenix Wright
Defendant: Lana Skye and Officer Michael Meekins
Victim(s): Bruce Goodman and Bruce Goodman(?)
Prosecution: Winston Payne
Witnesses: Dick Gumshoe, Miles Edgeworth Ema Skye, Lana Skye, Angel Starr, Officer Jake Marshall, Officer Michael Meekins and Commissioner Damon Gant.


Before Court (SL-9): Like case 4, SL-9 will instantly be reopened. Gant will be put aside as internal affairs or CIA, as I agree with you here, will take over investigation. It will be likely that they find out what happened. Maybe some of it.

Before Court: As Gant has been put out of investigation, it is more than likely that the car will be throughoutly examinated. They will not only conclude that they were right about SL-9 (note and knife), and Starr will be found to not be able to witness impartial due to her connections. It will be assumed that Mike Meekins had nothing to do with the murder, and the 2nd investigation is delt with at the same time as the first. This means that they will be unsure if Lana even did it, but they take her as being prime suspect. Edgeworth will also be a suspect (again!) due to the fact that it's his car.

Court Date: Edgeworth WILL testify about how he drove back, I agree. It should be painfully obvious that the car was driven, which is supported by the fact that Angel Starrs witness account is never given! This puts the focus on the other case, and whoops - there is this ID card scanner. Not only will Jake be taken into account for the fact that he, too, was in SL-9, but Gant will be very easily taken because the police will find out he actually was inside. Whoops. Gant is likely to be found guilty. However, wether or not he is found guilty of murder in SL-9 is uncertain - it is more likely that Ema is found guilty here.

If Wright were involved: Ema might not be found guilty, and Gant might instead. Else not much.

My Comments: This one is more easily solved if Gant is taken out of comission. But I don't think that the entire truth will be unearthed.



I'm impressed with your deductions. Mine is based on the assumption the Investigation for Cases 1 to 4 are thorough. A few things I wanted to point out I think you may have missed, though--


Spoiler: Case 1
Larry's fingerprints weren't on the Murder Weapon. Also technically, Larry didn't confess to the crime. He'd likely be held in contempt for his outburst, though. Also Larry DIDN'T have a motive to want her dead. He clearly isn't the stalking type and his outburst was the result of him being distraught over her death.



Spoiler: Case 2
At the very least, Wright would get Maya acquitted. That would likely be priority before going after the murderer. A quick look through Mia's Office would reveal the missing files so...yeah. Mia threatened to take what she knew about him to the Media and I can tell you the President isn't going to let White bee the cause of his Impeachment (ala Nixon). You can bet Maya would channel her, who would in turn tell Wright everything she knows about White.

Edgeworth would automatically get suspicious, too because of the sudden urge to have Mia's death pinned on her sister and understudy. After SL-9 it's doubtful Edgeworth would unwillingly make the same mistake again.



Spoiler: Case 4
It's never mentioned, let alone IMPLIED that Edgeworth had animosity towards Hammond. He even SAYS the reason he became a Prosecutor is to punish himself for the death of his father. Remember: Edgeworth when his father died. He was traumatized more than anything--his reaction to that Earthquake is further proof. You also seemed to ignore the obvious fact that it would be for LANA SKYE to decide what's relevant to the case and what isn't as the Prosecutor in charge of the case.

If von Karma tries to interfere she'll catch on to his game. You can tell from her demeanor in Casr 5 that she's not one to be pushed around as well. At the very least, this would give Edgeworth a chance in court. There's that bullet hole in the elevator from DL-6. The trajectory from the gun that fired when Edgeworth was 9 would show that it couldn't have been the bullet that killed his father. It's doubtful his confession after the fact would be relevant despite it being the last day of the Statue of Limitations.

The Witnesses from the current case would at the very least proove that more than one shot was fired--for all anyone knows, Hammond was sniped from a distance. Add to that Lotta's pictures and...yeah.


Spoiler: Case 1
Except Larry was Cindy's boyfriend. The entire start of the trial is payne telling why it was almost without a doubt that Larry killed Cindy. Not only was he SEEN (and most likely not only by Sahwit), Cindy was cheating on Larry bigtime - She was basicly in the category if 'prostitude'. Larry had enough motive to commit murder. Especially a hot tempered guy like him. Nothing to do with stalking. He's much more suspicious than Sahwit, as a shock is to be expected from finding a body.


Spoiler: Case 2
Oh, right. The spirit thing. Hmm... I still wonder how much that would help Phoenix. As I said, Redd White would have power over the government. So he could do what he wants to. But it's true, it is not unlikely that Maya get freed, should Wright be involved.

As for Edgeworth, remember how he acted during the actual game. This is crucial. Before case 3, he's basicly a Karma-clone. He would act like this at this time as well. He protected White to the very last, even when he basicly started to confess. There is no hope he would get suspicious, as he's just following orders like he's used to do. Read The Golden Gavel fanfic, it is well descriped there, I'd say.


Spoiler: Case 4 (and case 5)
That is because of how the game goes. If it had started out with basic info on DL-6, then it rather obvious. But this comes in much later, and used to frame Yanni Yogi. But it could just as well have been turned arround and used ageanst Edgeworth. 'You had to make him pay for letting your father's murderer get away.'

As for Lana Skye, that's very doubtful she even has a say in things. Remember how she acts during case 5. She may very well be Edgeworth's supervisor, but she is completely controlled by Gant. And look at the charrecters. Gant and Manfred are of the same age. They both have dark personalities, so they should get attracted to each other very fast. Remember, also, how he acts to Phoenix about Manfred getting convicted. He accuses Phoenix, basicly, for letting the 'good guy' (Manfred) get jailed. As of such, it is most likely that Gant is holding a hand over Manfred - and so Lana doesn't really get to say anything on the subject. Oh, and 'the trajectory of the bullet' is completely irellevant here. All the evidence was aged, and von Karma takes that away before Phoenix can get it. And it's not even certain that the bullet trajectory is taken into account, at least not on the level it does in AA2 (and AA4, for the matter). Modern police wouldn't be able to worked out bad investigation 16 years earlier. Oh, and then, they believed that Yanni stood up and shot. It is only through Edgeworth's testimony that you know that it hit the floor before firing. So that DOES really mean the trajectory wasn't taken into account.

It might be possible for Phoenix to find out about Larrys testimony. As I said, getting Yanni Yogi put in jail might be possible for Phoenix. However, Edgeworth confesses to DL-6. You underplay the importence of this. In the original game, it almost ment that he got the guilty verdict for it, despite being minor at the time (I don't know how that would go during a real life trial).

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