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This is a general discussion thread for episode six of the Ace Attorney anime, "Turnabout Samurai - 2nd Trial".
The Steel Samurai has finally made his debut, and the fate of the children's hearts is in Phoenix Wright's hands! With the first trial gone by, and the windbag's testimony torn to shreds, the duo finds itself in another jam! How will they get out of it and turn the case around? Stay tuned to find out!
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It feels as if Turnabout Samurai was actually adapted for TV rather than just taking the games script and adding animation, the changes made make it flow better as a TV series, which is good.
Animation was also still pretty okay. Not as good as episode 5, but still a major step-up from the first four episodes. Music is fine too.
Directing was fine too, the Seiji Kishi adaptation style has seemed to have escaped the courtroom though (OH GOD WHY).
Comedy was on-point too.
Very enjoyable, hope it can keep this up for the rest of the show (or possibly get better).
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Aside from that, even though I can't help but feel that the events were flowing too quickly, I think this episode's pacing was miles better than the previous ones.
I'll be honest: Oldbag and Cody made this episode for me. Cody was pretty entertaining, and I even felt bad for him when the subject of the Steel Samurai losing was brought up. He was handled very well. As for Oldbag, some of her rants were hilarious. But when the accident of 5 years ago came up, I thought she was more likable than ever, though the "justice" part was kinda cheesy. Seriously, these two are this episode's spotlights.
As for Sal Manella... eh. He's alright. The fanservice was... questionable at best, but seeing Maya as the Pink Princess was kinda cute, I guess.
I have to say though, the "erasers" lacked their unique and badass character design, and the "showdown" didn't feel nearly as tense as the one in the game.
Lastly, I want to say that the original music doesn't really fit into the series' aesthetic IMO, but the Cross-Examination Allegro remix a the end was a pleasure to listen to.
In short, this episode was definitely better that the previous ones, but many of the previous issues the anime has had so far still remain.
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and yet we have to endure this high-pitched madness
Again, this is the standard for the genre. Also, I have the distinct feeling that Maya in the japanese version of the games is closer to this than the US localisation, though I have no actual proof of this to hand.
Plus, the 'Save Me Steel Samurai' line was adorable.
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Plus, the 'Save Me Steel Samurai' line was adorable.
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...not gonna lie, it actually was.
But the main problem I have with anime Maya as a whole is that she doesn't portray her original self well. She had much more character, and her chemistry with Nick was priceless. Here, Maya is nothing but "cuteness" and high-pitched screams, which I feel like is an insult to her original self.
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Also, I disagree somewhat. I've seen a lot of Maya-like things IMO, it's just that she's more energy and less snark.
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Animation was also still pretty okay. Not as good as episode 5, but still a major step-up from the first four episodes.
I generally find that the animation is best outside the courtroom. With a few exceptions, all of the Investigations animation looks better than the Court sections.
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The show really made Nick look good too. He worked out the whole Hammer in Steel Samurai costume without any prompting or help and the way he helped Cody was really sweet.
Very true. I really liked that as well. I just thought that adding this thing about the pose was not really necessary. But it wasn't really anything bad.
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I'll be honest: Oldbag and Cody made this episode for me. Cody was pretty entertaining, and I even felt bad for him when the subject of the Steel Samurai losing was brought up. He was handled very well. As for Oldbag, some of her rants were hilarious. But when the accident of 5 years ago came up, I thought she was more likable than ever, though the "justice" part was kinda cheesy. Seriously, these two are this episode's spotlights.
Definitely. Heck, during the game I sympathized with Oldbag when she started talking about Hammer. And the anime adaptation is no different.
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As for Sal Manella... eh. He's alright. The fanservice was... questionable at best, but seeing Maya as the Pink Princess was kinda cute, I guess.
I thought that was a bit odd. I know Sal Manella perved over Maya in the game too, but I always thought that he perved over Maya for being a young-looking girl. Instead, what we saw in Manella's vision was a big-breasted Maya. (And later, Maya as the Pink Princess.) Can you imagine someone here saying "Yeah, I really like Maya's looks. Especially her big breasts are great." It just makes no sense...
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But the main problem I have with anime Maya as a whole is that she doesn't portray her original self well. She had much more character, and her chemistry with Nick was priceless. Here, Maya is nothing but "cuteness" and high-pitched screams, which I feel like is an insult to her original self.
Yeah. For example, this moment:
What the heck was Maya thinking? "Hmm. Nick is stuck in the gutter. How do I help him? Oh! I know! Push him deeper!"
I always thought Maya was a clever girl in the games, but even a 5-year-old has more brains than anime Maya at this point...
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I think that the sleeping drugs was a rather big point in the game, since they helped establish that Hammer acted on with intent and planning. Using a simple posing as a replacement for him being discovered as wearing the suit lacks the impact. It's not that the posing was a bad thing to have, but it's simply weaker than what it is replacing.
After thinking a little about it, they obviously moved Cody to rebalance their time use. The time they spend with him here is time they don't spend in court. This is a bold move, but it just might work out for the better. The removed quests really didn't add anything and was safe to remove.
But I have to agree, the confrontation at the end felt lacking. Not only did the mysterious men look less threatening visually, they are moving part of the crossexamination out of court. The reason for the confrontation is also much weaker here. Without confronting her about the accident, it's more badgering her for little reason than a heavy discussion about an old incident. Then there is the simple part of changing the place for the confrontation. The mere act of Vasques to move inside the trailer helped set the mood for the conversation to follow. Even Gumshoe's role became less interesting here, instead of bursting in at the right moment, he just happens to walk up to them at the right time? They deprived him of a chance to look cool here.
Overall, I feel as if they are really aggressively looking for things they can move out of court to make time for "something" in the next episode. I can't say if it's worth it yet, but I fear that it might not be.
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Gerkuman wrote:
I'm assuming that they knew that this would go out to worldwide audiences and thought that Sal would be too creepy if he was lusting over flat-chested maya.
I did think of that, and that is probably the reason. Doesn't really make it any less strange, though
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They have removed the keycard, the sleeping drugs and the plates as evidence, which so far works ok.
Actually, I think they'll push this to the Court segment. It'll be submitted as evidence the moment Sal Manella mentions it. They'll probably find the drugs in it either on the spot, or after court.
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But I have to agree, the confrontation at the end felt lacking. Not only did the mysterious men look less threatening visually, they are moving part of the crossexamination out of court. The reason for the confrontation is also much weaker here. Without confronting her about the accident, it's more badgering her for little reason than a heavy discussion about an old incident.
The confrontation itself was just fine for me. I still felt plenty of tension. But...
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Then there is the simple part of changing the place for the confrontation. The mere act of Vasques to move inside the trailer helped set the mood for the conversation to follow. Even Gumshoe's role became less interesting here, instead of bursting in at the right moment, he just happens to walk up to them at the right time? They deprived him of a chance to look cool here.
This I can completely agree with. It sure set the mood when you were led inside, and Gumshoe did feel cool and heroic when he came there to save you.
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As for the confrontation thing, I just don't really understand why it even happened. Phoenix didn't really have a reason to confront Dee Vasquez about it specifically. Since he didn't know about the accident yet, there was really no reason to confront her about it, when it could have just as easily been Sal who killed him.
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Phoenix didn't really have a reason to confront Dee Vasquez about it specifically. Since he didn't know about the accident yet, there was really no reason to confront her about it, when it could have just as easily been Sal who killed him.
I think the justification was that she lied about the location of the murder, and silenced all the key witnesses, which makes her fairly suspicious.
Mayoi/Maya comes across as she did in the Japanese games, but with less one-liners at Naruhodo's expense.
I think the amount of falling over jokes, and wackiness of Mayoi/Maya is to appeal to a younger audience. The show is broadcast at 5:30pm on a Saturday after all.
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Another kind of funny thing is that Penny Nichols is even more of a minor character than in the game. She says literally nothing and appears for about three seconds of screen time, in total. Sad times.
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And I spoiler-tagged it due to its size
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Phoenix didn't really have a reason to confront Dee Vasquez about it specifically. Since he didn't know about the accident yet, there was really no reason to confront her about it, when it could have just as easily been Sal who killed him.
I think the justification was that she lied about the location of the murder, and silenced all the key witnesses, which makes her fairly suspicious.
Yeah, she was acting far more suspiciously than Sal Manella was, but I still find it weird that he'd directly confront her about it even without really having any direct proof. Granted, Phoenix seemed to enjoy confronting known murderers in quiet, secluded areas in the original game, so it's not that big of a deal.
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I think the amount of falling over jokes, and wackiness of Mayoi/Maya is to appeal to a younger audience. The show is broadcast at 5:30pm on a Saturday after all.
Unless Japan just has a lot of cultural differences that I'm not aware of, I'm not sure why they would be marketing a show based on a T-rated series featuring violent murders to people young enough to appreciate slapstick comedy.
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What the heck was Maya thinking?
"Whoooooo....! Those are some excellent muscles!"
(Well, out of context, it looks that way...
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Jean Descole wrote:
"Whoooooo....! Those are some excellent muscles!"
In his butt!?
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Jean Descole wrote:
"Whoooooo....! Those are some excellent muscles!"
In his butt!?
He doesn't ride that bike for nothing.
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Seeing Phoenix watching the entire stack of DVDs immediately made me think about Apollo Justice, as I'm playing that again right now. I enjoyed how he used his newfound Steel Samurai knowledge to deduce that Hammer was the person in the suit, and to cheer up Cody.
A plus for me is that the next episode will be the last trial. In my opinion, this case should have only had two investigations and trials, not three. Turnabout Goodbyes and Rise From the Ashes need the maximum three days, but not this case. So, I can say that this time the time constraints were a good thing in the anime.
That said, I do agree that the removal of the sleeping pills takes away from the story, unless it somehow gets worked into the next episode (I doubt that). Also, while Phoenix did have a reason to confront Vasquez in the anime with Cody's picture, I don't think it was enough of a reason for her to call in the erasers.
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ouboros wrote:
Mayoi/Maya comes across as she did in the Japanese games, but with less one-liners at Naruhodo's expense.
I think the amount of falling over jokes, and wackiness of Mayoi/Maya is to appeal to a younger audience. The show is broadcast at 5:30pm on a Saturday after all.
I think the amount of falling over jokes, and wackiness of Mayoi/Maya is to appeal to a younger audience. The show is broadcast at 5:30pm on a Saturday after all.
Well, I see Maya from the Jp games much more of a brat than she actually is portrayed here, and the localization is true enough to that point. This thin veil of Maya's character really is my least favorite aspect of this series, but I enjoy the slapstick nonetheless. Her voice doesn't bother me in the slightest because I'm so used to hearing Hanamura as her anyway.
But the scene with fanservice Pink Princess Maya and her grabbing of Nick by the butt were a little lowbrow for my tastes...
All in all, I look forward to how the anime portrays its minor characters. Cody, Will, Oldbag, heck even Sal were so on point. Vasquez and her gang, though... just a little disappointing, as some have mentioned above.
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This is a general discussion thread for episode six of the Ace Attorney anime, "Turnabout Samurai - 2nd Trial".
The Steel Samurai has finally made his debut, and the fate of the children's hearts is in Phoenix Wright's hands! With the first trial gone by, and the windbag's testimony torn to shreds, the duo finds itself in another jam! How will they get out of it and turn the case around? Stay tuned to find out!
This is a general discussion thread for episode six of the Ace Attorney anime, "Turnabout Samurai - 2nd Trial".
The Steel Samurai has finally made his debut, and the fate of the children's hearts is in Phoenix Wright's hands! With the first trial gone by, and the windbag's testimony torn to shreds, the duo finds itself in another jam! How will they get out of it and turn the case around? Stay tuned to find out!
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I also think that we forget that Maya took a bit to develop. I don't remember loving Maya until the 2nd game. Her self-esteem was shot throughout the first one.
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I also think that we forget that Maya took a bit to develop. I don't remember loving Maya until the 2nd game. Her self-esteem was shot throughout the first one.
I dunno, I remember some cheekiness from her in the first game. Heck, the whole stepladder thing originated in 1-3, and I think it perfectly exemplified what kind of girl Maya was.
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Also, MAYA TIDDIES?
NO TIDDIES!
Sal wasn't annoying in this episode, I'm really liking this case overall.
Still not happy we don't see Penny.
>mfw Maya touching Nick's ass
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10/10 Had Maya.
What do you think of her appearing as the Pink Princess?
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Nurio wrote:
DoMaya wrote:
10/10 Had Maya.
What do you think of her appearing as the Pink Princess?
DoMaya wrote:
MAYA TIDDIES?
NO TIDDES!
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to people young enough to appreciate slapstick comedy.
Wow, that's a pretty uninformed opinion. I'm sure Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin and the Marx Brothers would disagree with you there.
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to people young enough to appreciate slapstick comedy.
Wow, that's a pretty uninformed opinion. I'm sure Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin and the Marx Brothers would disagree with you there.
I've seen most of those, actually! I just didn't think about that when I wrote that post.
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I kind of like the character development happening with Olbag. I'll assume the thing she was holding at the end there was the picture of the accident five years ago.
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