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So, first, about the new setting itself. I'm gonna admit this much: setting Kurain Kingdom in the far ends of Asia was a pretty slick move on Capcom's part. But, is it just me, or is Ace Attorney slipping more and more into the magical world? I'm mean, we're talking about spirit mediums, magical water, and the lack of defending attornies, here (which I find dumb, TBH. Read on a bit). While I'm kind of hyped about this, (return of Maya! Yeye!) I kind if feel this is starting to get a tad on the rediculous side. (inb4 "We're talking about the powers of the dead, here. It doesn't have to make sense.", or similar. :-D)
Next, the lack of a defense attorney...? I shouldn't have to say the problems this causes, but... didn't the trailer say that defending attornies were illegal? So isn't Mr. Wright kind of breaking Kurain Kingdom's laws? Or at least, disrespecting their customs? Maybe I've thought about it too much, heck if I know.
What I do hope is that they give Phoenix more attention, or they just call it Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice or whatnot. I personally feel as if the series might be crumbling a bit(?). Or I could be over-worrying about things. I just don't want AA6 to be the Mega Man X6 of the series.
So I'd love to hear your guys' response to my thoughts. There are more but I cant rememeber them now.
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My suspension of disbelief only goes so far and this premise seems too ridiculous even for this franchise.
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Fellowzdoomer wrote:
Ok, so I'd thought I'd share my opinions on the up-and-coming GS6. Most of the things listed here might be answered, but I'd thought I'd voice them anyway.
So, first, about the new setting itself. I'm gonna admit this much: setting Kurain Kingdom in the far ends of Asia was a pretty slick move on Capcom's part. But, is it just me, or is Ace Attorney slipping more and more into the magical world? I'm mean, we're talking about spirit mediums, magical water, and the lack of defending attornies, here (which I find dumb, TBH. Read on a bit). While I'm kind of hyped about this, (return of Maya! Yeye!) I kind if feel this is starting to get a tad on the rediculous side. (inb4 "We're talking about the powers of the dead, here. It doesn't have to make sense.", or similar. :-D)
Next, the lack of a defense attorney...? I shouldn't have to say the problems this causes, but... didn't the trailer say that defending attornies were illegal? So isn't Mr. Wright kind of breaking Kurain Kingdom's laws? Or at least, disrespecting their customs? Maybe I've thought about it too much, heck if I know.
What I do hope is that they give Phoenix more attention, or they just call it Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice or whatnot. I personally feel as if the series might be crumbling a bit(?). Or I could be over-worrying about things. I just don't want AA6 to be the Mega Man X6 of the series.
So I'd love to hear your guys' response to my thoughts. There are more but I cant rememeber them now.
So, first, about the new setting itself. I'm gonna admit this much: setting Kurain Kingdom in the far ends of Asia was a pretty slick move on Capcom's part. But, is it just me, or is Ace Attorney slipping more and more into the magical world? I'm mean, we're talking about spirit mediums, magical water, and the lack of defending attornies, here (which I find dumb, TBH. Read on a bit). While I'm kind of hyped about this, (return of Maya! Yeye!) I kind if feel this is starting to get a tad on the rediculous side. (inb4 "We're talking about the powers of the dead, here. It doesn't have to make sense.", or similar. :-D)
Next, the lack of a defense attorney...? I shouldn't have to say the problems this causes, but... didn't the trailer say that defending attornies were illegal? So isn't Mr. Wright kind of breaking Kurain Kingdom's laws? Or at least, disrespecting their customs? Maybe I've thought about it too much, heck if I know.
What I do hope is that they give Phoenix more attention, or they just call it Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice or whatnot. I personally feel as if the series might be crumbling a bit(?). Or I could be over-worrying about things. I just don't want AA6 to be the Mega Man X6 of the series.
So I'd love to hear your guys' response to my thoughts. There are more but I cant rememeber them now.
What is more magical about spirit mediums and the water mirror compared to spirit mediums and summoning the ghosts of dead people in AA1? I don't see much of a difference here.
Regarding the defense attorneys I don't even understand your problem. Yes, Phoenix is breaking their law and defends Bokuto even though it shouldn't be allowed. While I don't know why they actually allow him to do so (the demo doesn't really explain it, maybe they just think: "Let the ignorant foreigner try to defend that kid, Leifa will show him her absolute power!") the whole point of Phoenix being there will be to challenge the system and bring back defense attorneys.
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About the second part, I would think this is a bit too ambitious for Wright. He added the jurist system and he's going to pretty much change an entire law system. It might be interesting, but sincewe have so many characters, capcom is playing a bit of a risk for pplot holes and things.
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With AA6... I'm sort of okay with it only because I've gotten kind of used to the Yamazaki style and he has a canon of 1 (and then 2 spinoffs) of Ace Attorney games establishing this kind of genre for the franchise and AA6 is more of that, and maybe it's even more over the top... Meh, I don't really think so. I think it was always really out there since I played DD and AA6 continuing that direction doesn't surprise me in the slightest. DD gives me confidence AA6 will have likeable, original characters and the returning roles (for the most part) won't be assassinated by the writers, the individual case-scenarios will make me yawn but the overarching plot will leave me wanting to keep playing and AAI2 gives me confidence that this can all amount to something that has a genuine impact on me, even if the means used to get there can border on the insane.
One thing I'm not sold on so far is where Nick's story is going here. I dislike the idea that he will somehow conquer or liberate an entire legal system that isn't in his home country... but when you think about it this already happened in his own country in AJAA (for very specific personal reasons) but again, no one has played it, it's too early to judge. If it's going to suck, it's going to suck but there's a good chance it won't, especially if you like DD or both AAIs already.
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Fellowzdoomer wrote:
Dont get me wrong - magic in an AA game is ok. I just feel as if things are going a bit...over rediculousness for an AA game. Then again, I have to play it myself when it comes out regardless, but... I dunno. It's just... Odd to me.
About the second part, I would think this is a bit too ambitious for Wright. He added the jurist system and he's going to pretty much change an entire law system. It might be interesting, but sincewe have so many characters, capcom is playing a bit of a risk for pplot holes and things.
About the second part, I would think this is a bit too ambitious for Wright. He added the jurist system and he's going to pretty much change an entire law system. It might be interesting, but sincewe have so many characters, capcom is playing a bit of a risk for pplot holes and things.
There has never been any overarching plotholes in the series, the individual cases may have some small ones, but there has never been a straight up "This does not make sense, he couldn't have done x" moment in the series that has significant impact on the cases/stories
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Fellowzdoomer wrote:
Dont get me wrong - magic in an AA game is ok. I just feel as if things are going a bit...over rediculousness for an AA game. Then again, I have to play it myself when it comes out regardless, but... I dunno. It's just... Odd to me.
I don't see how things are getting out of hand. Leifa's powers are only a slight variation of Maya's or Pearl's powers. In a world where people can summon ghosts, can see psyche locks, have the abilitiy to perceive even the smallest quirk on a person, and also have the ability to read emotions (at least with the help of a device), now it's suddenly too much? This seems to be a really arbitrary cut off point.
Fellowzdoomer wrote:
About the second part, I would think this is a bit too ambitious for Wright. He added the jurist system and he's going to pretty much change an entire law system. It might be interesting, but sincewe have so many characters, capcom is playing a bit of a risk for pplot holes and things.
Well, his original ambition to go to Kurain was just to visit Maya. Even when he first defends Bokuto he only does it, because nobody else is defending him and Phoenix is sure of his innocence. To change the whole law system in Kurain isn't even his idea, probably the guy from the prologue anime will use Phoenix to help his cause.
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Lusankya wrote:
Well, his original ambition to go to Kurain was just to visit Maya. Even when he first defends Bokuto he only does it, because nobody else is defending him and Phoenix is sure of his innocence. To change the whole law system in Kurain isn't even his idea, probably the guy from the prologue anime will use Phoenix to help his cause.
Yeah, from the premise you know this is where this story is going to end -- Through Nick's influence, and now heroism, he helps change the evil legal system of Kurain Kingdom. It might not be the reason he goes to Kurain but in the end it's most likely going to be his story in this game.
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linkenski wrote:
Lusankya wrote:
Well, his original ambition to go to Kurain was just to visit Maya. Even when he first defends Bokuto he only does it, because nobody else is defending him and Phoenix is sure of his innocence. To change the whole law system in Kurain isn't even his idea, probably the guy from the prologue anime will use Phoenix to help his cause.
Yeah, from the premise you know this is where this story is going to end -- Through Nick's influence, and now heroism, he helps change the evil legal system of Kurain Kingdom. It might not be the reason he goes to Kurain but in the end it's most likely going to be his story in this game.
This wasn't up for debate. It was obvious, don't act surprised.
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linkenski wrote:
One thing I'm not sold on so far is where Nick's story is going here. I dislike the idea that he will somehow conquer or liberate an entire legal system that isn't in his home country... but when you think about it this already happened in his own country in AJAA (for very specific personal reasons) but again, no one has played it, it's too early to judge.
Tbf, he didn't change the system in Japan. What was an attempt at "recovering" the Jurist system was merely a ploy to catch a serial murderer who couldn't be caught through regular means. Since then, there has been no further attempts made for "revolution", despite what Athena always claims. Instead, the only game that has been successful with overturning an entire judicial system would be PLvsAA.
Now, GS6 is set in a country that is most definitely going to end up in tumult, thanks to its radical approach of violently removing all native defense attorneys. There is a justifiable premise and plenty of means to bring out this theme in full color, and Nick once again is caught up in the middle of it. I doubt he would be able to completely overturn their judicial system in any sense, but at the very least, he can cause people to doubt the legitimacy of their princess' capabilities - even if that's not his intention either.
That, in turn, would lead to the rise of the revolutionaries as more and more people come to question the absolute authority of the royal heir. If Nick actually gets arrested for something, that would be it. Misunderstandings will be flying about. He'll likely be mistaken for a revolutionary, or at least a spy working with them. Of course, we'll have to see what kind of person the leader of the revolutionaries is... and whether or not he'll help Nick out of this jam or simply use his presence as an advantage to gain an edge against the royal family.
And eventually, we'll finally have a final showdown between dragons for symbolism! And there be more symbolism when I figure out how Nayuta plays into this all...
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My concerns are on how Maya and Trucy will be handled. I hope Maya doesn't go the route that Trucy did in DD and I hope Trucy becomes an actual character again.
That's my biggest concern, all i have to say is don't get your hopes up that they'll be anything remotely like theyre old selves, that way if they are then you will be pleasantly surprised and if they aren't then you won't be as angry.
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I have weird expectations on Nayuta: he sounds sharp-tongued as hell with a delicate appearance and I have a soft spot for this kind of characters.
My real concern is: how long will they be able to cleverly use the current characters/universe? As much as I'm interested in the upcoming game, I'm all in for a complete change before the characters get "dull" and overused. And they will eventually, if it's not already the case (isn't that right, Phoenix?).
Because of that, Dai Gyakuten Saiban piques my curiosity so much more and it's a shame it will probably never be localized.
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My biggest concern (coming from a person who hasn't been following all the news) is that all of the cases will be DL-6 where the spirit doesn't know who the killer was and just says what they think happens.
Actually the victims won't tell or know anything. Leifa can only show you what the victim saw, heart, smelled and felt (and I guess tasted) and then she interprets that stuff. So e.g. in the demo the victim sees Bokuto in front of him (after a while his vision turns black), he hears some chantings, smells incense, and later he feels pain.
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DaveIsAnAceAttorney wrote:
I just hope that Maya isn't as badly written as Trucy was in Dual Destinies, they ruined her entirely.
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Actually the victims won't tell or know anything. Leifa can only show you what the victim saw, heart, smelled and felt (and I guess tasted) and then she interprets that stuff.
There's an interesting idea. A case involving food can work, thus utilizing the sense of taste. I'd imagine such a case would definitely involve some type of poison. It could be a poison with a taste for once, or perhaps the taste of something else could mask the taste of the poison. Or, maybe the poison isn't deadly enough to cause death in the first place, and this taste clue could be a big red herring that distracts the police effort.
It's pretty simple to integrate sight, hearing, smell, and feeling into a crime, but I'd like to see how they take taste, if they do include it at least once. This mechanic may just be one of my favorites, if not my favorite, mechanic complementary to cross-examination. There are so many ways to write this...
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
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Actually the victims won't tell or know anything. Leifa can only show you what the victim saw, heart, smelled and felt (and I guess tasted) and then she interprets that stuff.
There's an interesting idea. A case involving food can work, thus utilizing the sense of taste. I'd imagine such a case would definitely involve some type of poison. It could be a poison with a taste for once, or perhaps the taste of something else could mask the taste of the poison. Or, maybe the poison isn't deadly enough to cause death in the first place, and this taste clue could be a big red herring that distracts the police effort.
It's pretty simple to integrate sight, hearing, smell, and feeling into a crime, but I'd like to see how they take taste, if they do include it at least once. This mechanic may just be one of my favorites, if not my favorite, mechanic complementary to cross-examination. There are so many ways to write this...
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As for Witness Testimony... Oh, god...
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Again, I'm concerned about the Witness Testimony and Cross-Examination animations for the Kurain Court. The Cross-Examination one will be easy. In the Japanese version, each kanji flips over one at a time. To keep the same sound file, the following segments of "Cross-Examination" should flip over in the following sequence: First "Cross", then "Exa-", then "-mina-", then "-tion". Only problem will be the tiles sliding past each other, as the paths for the tiles of "Cross" might overlap with those of the tiles of "Examination".
As for Witness Testimony... Oh, god...
As for Witness Testimony... Oh, god...
They handled 5-3's culprit chalkboard stuff very well in terms of animations, and a lot of background art for 5-3 got very clever localization work. I'm sure they can figure out some way to not make the Kurain-themed gameplay prompts look off, even if it means adding one or two more squares.
In fact this is part of the reason we've been getting DD and this so soon after the japanese release. Janet and Co. are working directly with the game creators on the localization as it's being developed, so it has become more of a part of the localization I guess, to incorporate localized additions and changes to the game itself rather than just the text and stuff.
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If Maya has to go to the kingdom to fulfil requirements to becoming the Master, does that mean that Misty had to as well? Considering what a long process this is for Maya, I wonder if Misty actually did considering her involvement in DL-6. Yet even while she left the village, she was still referred to as the Master.
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linkenski wrote:
Kurain Kingdom is probably an immigrant society on the county next to Japanifornia. In 2020-30-something they use airplanes for everything, and Nayuta warping between Kurain and Japan seems less mysterious
Nayuta is already performing ninjutsu. There is no other reason needed to describe how he travels... except maybe by butterfly.
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Honestly, I have a feeling that Kurain might not even be a real country.
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I hope the writing team is a little more creative than that.
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Or maybe Kurain will be set in Japan in the English release.
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I hope the writing team is a little more creative than that.
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Isn't the DLC confirmed to be non-canon?
I think it's possible for the Kurain Kingdom to be a city-state like Vatican City. I mean, we haven't really heard a name of a specific city in the country. And gameplay footage just said "Kurain Kingdom". It didn't say exactly where or any of the cities which I find kind of strange.
I feel like they've could've had the song in Kurainese though since Nayuta has a chant voiced in Kurainese.
Maybe it's not entirely "fake" and I'm not sure if "fake" is a good word to describe it but I defintely don't think the Lawyer Purge was a thing that happened. That's a bit too much, even for Ace Attorney. I think if anything, it was a scare tactic by the Kurain Goverment/Royal family/whatever.
Still the whole placement of the Kurain Kingdom feels a bit strange and come out of no where since Kurain Village in the original trilogy didn't seem to correlate to a country. It was mentioned that the Fey family before Ami invented the Kurain Channeling Technique were priests and priestesses so it's a bit weird to me for the Kurain Kingdom to TRULY be their roots. It's possible Ami studied in Kurain but I can't see the Kurain royal family being biologically related to the Feys, especially since Kurain seems to be Central/South Asian while the Feys are obviously very much Japanese
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Auburnsun wrote:
Maybe it's not entirely "fake" and I'm not sure if "fake" is a good word to describe it but I defintely don't think the Lawyer Purge was a thing that happened. That's a bit too much, even for Ace Attorney. I think if anything, it was a scare tactic by the Kurain Goverment/Royal family/whatever.
I disagree. I think such a lawyer purge is quite fitting for a series that has always put defense attorneys in bad rap with their respective societies. They just took it to the next level to support a weird legal system concept where DAs don't really exist.
The reason I brought up the DLC stuff at all is because while it doesn't prove anything, it suggests that there would be a purpose to bridging the two countries, even if the reason provided was just for funsies. Besides, an unnamed city in a foreign country is not unheard of in fiction. It'd be nice if they came up with a name that obviously isn't "Lhasa" but similar, but the scenery already speaks for itself.
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And Phoenix will be caught up in it solely because he's a dragon too.
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What I do hope is that they give Phoenix more attention, or they just call it Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice or whatnot. I personally feel as if the series might be crumbling a bit(?). Or I could be over-worrying about things. I just don't want AA6 to be the Mega Man X6 of the series.
Wow looks like we got a winner here. Wasn't that hard to guess in retrospect.
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