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Edit: Can I just say that I'm glad they chose to use demon negotiations over shuffle time for recruiting new Personas? Shuffle time just felt like a random drop on top of a random drop. And at least here, negotiations have some pattern to them instead of just being whatever the demon feels like saying (looking at you, Strange Journey).
Or the randomness of negotations in SMT IV, where it didn't matter WHAT you picked, there was a chance the demon was gonna run off after you gave it money or items or told it to F off. There was no set way to know what to say to what demon, they kept changing.
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"[M]aybe we could study some things we don't have experience in yet..." That line near the end of the romantic version of Makoto's Rank 10 conversation bugs me. There's room for alternative interpretations (almost certainly deliberate on the game's part, for which I am thankful), but it comes off to me as a rather blatant double entendre. I prefer to think that Makoto and Tetsuya aren't the kinds of people who would do something they might regret nine months later--never mind that they've only been dating for a few days at that point in my playthrough.
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sumguy28 wrote:
Can I just say that I'm glad they chose to use demon negotiations over shuffle time for recruiting new Personas?
Honestly, this is my least favorite part of the entire game. Sure there's a pattern but it can only be figured out through trial and error and the game doesn't shed even a sliver of light on what response works best. I think Yahtzee said it best: "You may as well just press your cheeks together and make wet farting noises."
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sumguy28 wrote:
Can I just say that I'm glad they chose to use demon negotiations over shuffle time for recruiting new Personas?
Honestly, this is my least favorite part of the entire game. Sure there's a pattern but it can only be figured out through trial and error and the game doesn't shed even a sliver of light on what response works best. I think Yahtzee said it best: "You may as well just press your cheeks together and make wet farting noises."
But... there was a tutorial that explained it, called "Shadow Personalities". Shadows have a personality that determines which kind of response they like best, and it's shown in the upper left in a hold up (but it goes away after you start talking).
Granted, I often forget to look at their personality before starting a negotiation, but it's definitely explained.
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General Luigi wrote:
but it comes off to me as a rather blatant double entendre. I prefer to think that Makoto and Tetsuya aren't the kinds of people who would do something they might regret nine months later--never mind that they've only been dating for a few days at that point in my playthrough.
Uh... what would even indicate that they do anything without protection? Plus, from what I know, Japan has, like, condoms in those vending machine dispensers. One quick trip, is all.
Shadow personalities? I either completely forgot about that part or I never paid much attention to it.
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blahmoomoo wrote:
Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
sumguy28 wrote:
Can I just say that I'm glad they chose to use demon negotiations over shuffle time for recruiting new Personas?
Honestly, this is my least favorite part of the entire game. Sure there's a pattern but it can only be figured out through trial and error and the game doesn't shed even a sliver of light on what response works best. I think Yahtzee said it best: "You may as well just press your cheeks together and make wet farting noises."
But... there was a tutorial that explained it, called "Shadow Personalities". Shadows have a personality that determines which kind of response they like best, and it's shown in the upper left in a hold up (but it goes away after you start talking).
Granted, I often forget to look at their personality before starting a negotiation, but it's definitely explained.
I don't remember the game explaining that to me but I'll check it out next time.
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Plus, from what I know, Japan has, like, condoms in those vending machine dispensers. One quick trip, is all.
I wasn't aware. I can only imagine the outrage that would ensue if that were introduced here in the United States...
[clears his throat]
Okay, scratch that particular reason why I prefer to think my character and Makoto didn't have sex...
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General Luigi wrote:
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Plus, from what I know, Japan has, like, condoms in those vending machine dispensers. One quick trip, is all.
I wasn't aware. I can only imagine the outrage that would ensue if that were introduced here in the United States...
[clears his throat]
Okay, scratch that particular reason why I prefer to think my character and Makoto didn't have sex...
Hmm is that really odd in America?
Here pretty much every pub and club has a vending machine in the men's toilets that sells condoms, "male enhancement pills", pleasure rings and chewable toothbrushes for the travelling gent.
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General Luigi wrote:
"[M]aybe we could study some things we don't have experience in yet..."
Shin (my MC's name): "Wait, you mean like... sex?"
Makoto: "Oh, gosh! No, that came out wrong. I just meant I wanted to study new things with you. I mean, for all I know, you already know all about that--which would be... understandable--it's just that my statement was meant to imply we'd be learning things neither of us could possibly have any experience in.
Shin: Like what?
Makoto: Like... parenting! No, wait... That came out wrong again...
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Shin (my MC's name): "Wait, you mean like... sex?"
Makoto: "Oh, gosh! No, that came out wrong. I just meant I wanted to study new things with you. I mean, for all I know, you already know all about that--which would be... understandable--it's just that my statement was meant to imply we'd be learning things neither of us could possibly have any experience in.
Shin: Like what?
Makoto: Like... parenting! No, wait... That came out wrong again...
Makoto: "Oh, gosh! No, that came out wrong. I just meant I wanted to study new things with you. I mean, for all I know, you already know all about that--which would be... understandable--it's just that my statement was meant to imply we'd be learning things neither of us could possibly have any experience in.
Shin: Like what?
Makoto: Like... parenting! No, wait... That came out wrong again...
That sounds more like a conversation between the Persona 4 player character and Yukiko.
Sae: Stop. I know I said "tell me everything," but unless it's relevant to the case, don't tell me what you did with my sister.
Tetsuya [flustered]: Whoa-whoa-whoa! We haven't even been together for a month! [He exhales to regain his composure.] I know I've got a reputation for being a delinquent and all that, but nothing raunchy happened, okay? And that was the only date we've been on so far.
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Hmm is that really odd in America?
Maybe I just haven't been to the right places.
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Sae: Stop. I know I said "tell me everything," but unless it's relevant to the case, don't tell me what you did with my sister.
I know Sae only has so much time for interrogation, but now I'm imagining the MC explaining every single thing he did over the past half year.
"And then I worked at the flower shop and made a bouquet with red flowers. That night I took the Captain Rank Big Bang Burger Challenge. The next day I had sex with your sister (SFW)."
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General Luigi wrote:
TheDoctor wrote:
Shin (my MC's name): "Wait, you mean like... sex?"
Makoto: "Oh, gosh! No, that came out wrong. I just meant I wanted to study new things with you. I mean, for all I know, you already know all about that--which would be... understandable--it's just that my statement was meant to imply we'd be learning things neither of us could possibly have any experience in.
Shin: Like what?
Makoto: Like... parenting! No, wait... That came out wrong again...
Makoto: "Oh, gosh! No, that came out wrong. I just meant I wanted to study new things with you. I mean, for all I know, you already know all about that--which would be... understandable--it's just that my statement was meant to imply we'd be learning things neither of us could possibly have any experience in.
Shin: Like what?
Makoto: Like... parenting! No, wait... That came out wrong again...
That sounds more like a conversation between the Persona 4 player character and Yukiko.
Well, keep in mind, I'm still stuck until I can max out my charm. That said, they're both Priestess types, so I wouldn't say the above conversation is out of the question...
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Well, keep in mind, I'm still stuck until I can max out my charm. That said, they're both Priestess types, so I wouldn't say the above conversation is out of the question...
Well, if Makoto's culture festival scenes (which I failed to see in my current playthrough due to insufficient Charm) are any indication, you're not wrong...
On that note, I've always kind of resented how the player character and his significant other are never able to be open with others about their relationship--to say nothing of how no one even figures out that they're dating. It kind of hurts suspension of disbelief when Kison (my Persona 4 character) can go on a date with Yukiko to the Summer Festival and no one learns about it. Never mind the implausibility of a date with Rise, an idol, not becoming a subject of gossip (not that my character has ever dated her). Do people just not talk about that kind of thing in Japan?
Yosuke: D-Did you go with someone else the next day...!?
Kison: Yeah. I went with Yukiko. Didn't I mention that we were dating?
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General Luigi wrote:
Sae: Stop. I know I said "tell me everything," but unless it's relevant to the case, don't tell me what you did with my sister.
That would certainly be weird. So, I can tell you all about the talking cat that changes its form; about Mishima wanting to get Ann to model nude for him and how a teacher is a physical bully and his Shadow Self was prancing around in pink undies; but here you suddenly draw the line?
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CatMuto wrote:
about Mishima wanting to get Ann to model nude for him
You're thinking of Yusuke, Mishima is the other blue-haired guy with the EXP abilities.
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Oh, this one is at the very least way better than the P3 and P4 Temperance Links by a large margin, I just thought it was funny
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Oh, this one is at the very least way better than the P3 and P4 Temperance Links by a large margin, I just thought it was funny
Speaking of great,
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Persona 5 being an RPG, I'm not exactly surprised that the final boss takes a very long time to defeat and has big cutscenes before, during, and after the fight, but I find it rather frustrating that from the moment I entered the final battle, I had no chance to save my game. The PS4 I'm playing my copy on belongs to my sister, and it's in her room, so I had to put the PS4 into Rest Mode mid-cutscene so she could go to bed on time. Ideally, I'll be able to pick up where I left off tomorrow, but I'm told that the console sometimes spontaneously makes a racket while in Rest Mode, which would wake my sister up, in which case she will turn it off, unsaved data be damned. I'm going to be really annoyed if it turns out that I was mere minutes away from a save point when my sister kicked me out; she's reasonable enough to allow a few more minutes if I'm close to a stopping point, but since I'm playing blind, I have no way of knowing.
Regarding Ann, I'll admit that she didn't make an impression on me. I don't hate her or even dislike her (though it's generally pretty hard for me to flat-out dislike a character, let alone hate them), but I don't think I'd react negatively to her being replaced with someone else unless her replacement appealed to me even less. As things stand, I'd probably rank the team as follows from favorite to least favorite: Makoto, Futaba, Morgana, Ryuji, Yusuke, Ann, Haru. That said, Makoto and Morgana are the only team members whose Confidants I have completed, so it's possible my opinion will change after additional playthroughs.
Edit: There was a save point mere minutes after the moment my sister forced me to stop playing. Good thing she didn't turn off the PS4 during the night.
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
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Unrelated, I just recently found out that the kanji in Makoto's name can be pronounced the same way as the name I gave my protagonist.
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Unrelated, I just recently found out that the kanji in Makoto's name can be pronounced the same way as the name I gave my protagonist.
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I sometimes feel as though the game itself wants the player character to date Makoto. First there's that scene with Makoto and the player character holding hands (though technically just because Makoto was scared) when trying to meet Futaba, to say nothing of Sojiro mistaking them for a couple when he finds them, then there's the whole "posing as a couple to investigate Tsukasa" bit from her Confidant, and on top of all that, one of the DLC packs allows the player character and Makoto to dress as Vincent Brooks and Katherine McBride, respectively.
On a different note, I can't help but compare Sae to Lana Skye in my mind. They're both prosecutors, they both come off as aloof at first but are actually decent people on the inside who care very much about their respective younger sisters,
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was anyone else absolutely infuriated at how frustratingly stupid Ryuji was?
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So far the characters in general aren't really growing on me as much as the P4 cast did; there's a couple exceptions but not many
It's a shame since the game mechanics and such are a lot better
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At least his confidant route is decent, but as usual S-link stuff with the party members doesn't change how they act in the story. It's nice that confidants provide additional benefits to gameplay, but impacting the story in some way doesn't exist yet (beyond something simple like who you can hang out with during special vacation events). I'm not complaining, since that would add a significant amount of complexity to developing the scenario, but it would be nice if it could happen one day.
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