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-The blackout lasted until everybody left the crime scene to complete their respective investigations
-The fusebox is underneath the broken step (should've mentioned this one earlier. All I could think of as the answer to "What's below the stairs?" was the floor and water :/ )
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"The gym is a big place, with many rooms." Sakura replied. "If she was in, say, the weight-lifting area, SiRRen probably wouldn't have heard her."
"Well, sure, but what about when the killer had to move her body to the classroom..?" Ryuji asked. "I'm sure Sirren would have noticed a killer moving Karega's body. It seems risky that the killer would kill Karega in the gym where most of us were...not to mention the signs of a struggle that indicate a fight had happened. Even if they were in different rooms, it wouldn't be hard to hear a fight going on."
Ryuji scratched his head.
"W-well, if we assume Karega died in the gym, I don't think it would be in the weight lifting room...don't know why she would need to go back there. So...maybe the pool?"
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Regarding the point about the stairs, that seemed to confirm it. "Something must have been dropped through the step onto the fuse box." Sakura said.
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Ryuji tilted his head.
"If Karega got the coffee bag at 9 PM, could she have been carrying the dumbbells in the bag, and not the toaster..?"
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(I can't be online all the time, so BP is helping to lighten the load as a co-mod)
(Also another clarification, the kiln Slezak was in wasn't on. It was just hot because it's a stuffy space)
(And in general, you guys should add theories/timeline to the google doc instead of just evidence)
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CaptainPancakes wrote:
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"If Karega wasn't killed in the classroom, then she was killed elsewhere somehow, which is definitely important. But also, it means the sounds of struggle Subaru heard were faked. Maybe Subaru was lying, or maybe the killer made the sounds themselves to mislead us into thinking a murder was happening in there. They were also stabbed in there, and paint was used to make it look like they bled in there. All of it would point to someone setting it up to look like that's where the crime happened." Sakura said. "So she was killed a little before Subaru heard the sounds of struggle, which would mean she was probably killed in the gym somewhere, in a location away from the soccer pitch. Did anyone find anything interesting about other areas of the gym?" She asked.
"What are the different levels of the gym again? It's definitely possible that she could have been killed on the other level of the gym and then moved," SiRReN said.
"If she WAS killed in the gym, then Subaru saw the killer moving her body to the classroom, and that is why they were walking unsteadily. They would have had to then stay in the room until Subaru and myself were gone, and either returned to the gym or somehow got passed Matt to return to the bedrooms."
"T-that wouldn't be possible," Ryuji started. "Karega died a little after you left the group. Meaning that you would have heard Karega die if the death scene was at the gym."
"No, Karega left first, she would have been dead by the time I left," SiRReN corrected. "I've said this a few times now, I left after Karega did."
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"Right," Ryuji said. "But you left around 3 AM, and that's around when Karega died. So we're assuming Karega stayed in the gym in this scenario. So if there was a fight, where both parties wound up injured, then I think it's far-fetched to assume that you wouldn't hear anything, not even a small crash. Not to mention after the fight, as you were leaving, the killer would have to take Karega's body back to the classroom, where Subaru was hanging out."
"I left a few minutes AFTER 3am. She died AT 3am - she would have died while I was still in the gym with you. If you didn't hear anything, then why should I have?"
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SiRReN wrote:
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"Right," Ryuji said. "But you left around 3 AM, and that's around when Karega died. So we're assuming Karega stayed in the gym in this scenario. So if there was a fight, where both parties wound up injured, then I think it's far-fetched to assume that you wouldn't hear anything, not even a small crash. Not to mention after the fight, as you were leaving, the killer would have to take Karega's body back to the classroom, where Subaru was hanging out."
"I left a few minutes AFTER 3am. She died AT 3am - she would have died while I was still in the gym with you. If you didn't hear anything, then why should I have?"
"W-well then she probably didn't die in the gym," Ryuji said. "It just seems too convenient for me. Subaru was at the classroom when the blackout happened, which is around the same time Karega died. So for Karega's killer to dodge all of us, and Subaru, while dragging Karega's body, while unlocking the door to the classroom, all during a blackout...I don't buy it."
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KamiPanda wrote:
"SiRRen walked out of the gym and met Subaru, who'd already heard Karega die." Sakura said. "So it sounds like if she did die in the gym, it happened before SiRRen left."
"Yes, and it is sounding more and more plausible to me.
Everyone playing soccer was on the second level of the gym. Either on the stairs leading down or on the first floor Karega met and was killed by the killer at 3am. They then carried her body to the classroom and positioned her, stabbing her with her own knife. This give credence to Subaru's claim that he noticed someone walking unsteadily towards the classroom ahead of him in the hall. The noises he heard in the room would be the killer positioning her body and pouring paint on her.
After hearing this Subaru went to the gym, where he saw me leaving and tells me to meet him in the cafe."
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CaptainPancakes wrote:
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"Right," Ryuji said. "But you left around 3 AM, and that's around when Karega died. So we're assuming Karega stayed in the gym in this scenario. So if there was a fight, where both parties wound up injured, then I think it's far-fetched to assume that you wouldn't hear anything, not even a small crash. Not to mention after the fight, as you were leaving, the killer would have to take Karega's body back to the classroom, where Subaru was hanging out."
"I left a few minutes AFTER 3am. She died AT 3am - she would have died while I was still in the gym with you. If you didn't hear anything, then why should I have?"
"W-well then she probably didn't die in the gym," Ryuji said. "It just seems too convenient for me. Subaru was at the classroom when the blackout happened, which is around the same time Karega died. So for Karega's killer to dodge all of us, and Subaru, while dragging Karega's body, while unlocking the door to the classroom, all during a blackout...I don't buy it."
"No," SiRReN said again. "Subaru was in the hallway when the power went out, he was not at the classroom yet."
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SiRReN wrote:
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"SiRRen walked out of the gym and met Subaru, who'd already heard Karega die." Sakura said. "So it sounds like if she did die in the gym, it happened before SiRRen left."
"Yes, and it is sounding more and more plausible to me.
Everyone playing soccer was on the second level of the gym. Either on the stairs leading down or on the first floor Karega met and was killed by the killer at 3am. They then carried her body to the classroom and positioned her, stabbing her with her own knife. This give credence to Subaru's claim that he noticed someone walking unsteadily towards the classroom ahead of him in the hall. The noises he heard in the room would be the killer positioning her body and pouring paint on her.
After hearing this Subaru went to the gym, where he saw me leaving and tells me to meet him in the cafe."
"T-there's no evidence at the gym surrounding her death from what I've heard," Ryuji said. "No possible murder weapons that wouldn't leave blood, and I doubt the killer could have beat the Ultimate Survivalist in a fight, considering that she even had a weapon on her."
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"Because right now, the people in the hallway between 3am and 4am were me, Subaru, and you two. Assuming none of us are the killer, there was a fifth person in the hallway of the classroom, and they would have had to leave at some point in order to not be in the classroom when Van, Subaru, and I broke in."
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"No," SiRReN said again. "Subaru was in the hallway when the power went out, he was not at the classroom yet."
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"...from the direction of the gym, and we don't suppose they saw us when they entered the room."
"S-Subaru clearly saw someone coming from the gym, and entering the classroom. Ignoring the fact that he wouldn't have seen a body, which is possible due to the blackout, the timing is just too strict."
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Matt sighed. "So what was she murdered with, Sirren?"
"Does anyone know if Karega could swim? Maybe the killer drowned her? I don't know. I'd like to hear more about who investigated the lower floor of the gym and what they saw."
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"No," SiRReN said again. "Subaru was in the hallway when the power went out, he was not at the classroom yet."
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"...from the direction of the gym, and we don't suppose they saw us when they entered the room."
"S-Subaru clearly saw someone coming from the gym, and entering the classroom. Ignoring the fact that he wouldn't have seen a body, which is possible due to the blackout, the timing is just too strict."
"I don't know what it is about those two statements that is confusing you, it sounds plausible to me."
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"A mix of a lot of pigments is going to reflect light very poorly. In fact, in a blackout scenario it could make you almost invisible especially in firelight or light from our student ID screens. There's black paint on the floor because the killer covered themselves in paint! That might solve the locked room too. The paint Charlie smelled may not have been on Matt, but on some invisible phantom!"
"That's it, right?" he says, looking between his classmates.
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"No," SiRReN said again. "Subaru was in the hallway when the power went out, he was not at the classroom yet."
"I d-don't mean to interrupt you or derail the conversation," Monomi spoke up, "But just in case it becomes an issue later, if I remember correctly, when Subaru gave his alibi, I think he said..."
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"Shortly before we exited our room to get a bottle of water, the blackout happened, so we headed to the gym, where most of the students were at, to know what was going on."
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KamiPanda wrote:
"I thought as much... But I do feel like it's most likely just in the killer's bedroom. It would be the best hiding place.
"I thought so too, so I went to check out a bedroom in particular..." stated Arthur. "Miss Monomi wouldn't let me in, but she did assure me that Monokuma had said that the killer didn't hide any evidence in their room. "
He turned to the bear. "Take from that what you will. "
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"This paint sounds incredibly suspicious now." She then said, agreeing with Matt.
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Datamatt wrote:
"And cold water was the water from the pipe in the basement, right?"
"Righto! Though, anybody who tried soaking in that would be in for a shock..."
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KamiPanda wrote:
"I thought as much... But I do feel like it's most likely just in the killer's bedroom. It would be the best hiding place.
"I thought so too, so I went to check out a bedroom in particular..." stated Arthur. "Miss Monomi wouldn't let me in, but she did assure me that Monokuma had said that the killer didn't hide any evidence in their room. "
He turned to the bear. "Take from that what you will. "
"This brings up a question I wanted to ask now that I've looked over who went were," SiRReN said. "Arthur, what did you do? Because you refused to follow Sayako's instructions and went to investigate by yourself."
"Flo, Crimson, please tell us everything you saw in the gym, in particular in the pool."
"And there's only one problem with the idea that the killer was covered in paint - there would be black paint everywhere in the hallway between the basement and the classroom, but there is not."
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