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Everyone's glasses appear to be just glasses.

No one has discovered the light thing by accident.
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"I still believe they did the crime before midnight." Damien said. "Which very simply solves the problem by bypassing it entirely. I don't see any other solution that properly deals with the issue."

"If this is true, doesn't it significantly round down the list of potential suspects?"

“Does it? I don’t believe so.” Colin shakes his head. “Fact of the matter is: we have no proof that Rina arrived before 23:55 while we do have proof that suggests she’d arrive at that time.

“If a blind person couldn’t have committed this murder with their remaining senses, perhaps we should instead be trying to find proof of the lucky student’s identity. I think that’s the only possibility we have for the culprit.”
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"If the killer didn't know about the blackout, then it is my belief that they didn't even try to plan around it." Damien explained. "The leading theory is that they killed Rina, then Liza came in with the guns and they fought her before killing her with her own weapon. At no point in that is the killer granted opportunity to do anything about seeing in the dark, and of course Liza could not have been prepared either. The only conclusion I can draw is that the killing didn't happen during the blackout at all."

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“Does it? I don’t believe so.” Colin shakes his head. “Fact of the matter is: we have no proof that Rina arrived before 23:55 while we do have proof that suggests she’d arrive at that time.

“If a blind person couldn’t have committed this murder with their remaining senses, perhaps we should instead be trying to find proof of the lucky student’s identity. I think that’s the only possibility we have for the culprit.”


"Then perhaps we could simply ask Monokuma. Would shooting Liza, and Rina after the fact also, be possible in the dark for the Lucky Student? Then they would also have to navigate in the dark, picking up everything they needed to dispose of and making their way back down to the second floor. That takes a lot of doing, even for someone Lucky. And Monokuma did already tell us that luck can only take you so far. They would also, I should point out, need to avoid all the blood as they were scrambling around in the dark."
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Lucky student would have a better chance of shooting in the dark, but not navigating the hallways.

And in case you're wondering, Student Handbooks go on low battery mode from midnight onwards as well. So the killer couldn't have used their's as a flashlight. It's a glowless kindle display like ZuZu.
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Ohishi tapped her cheek.

"The eel in the bag.
Perhaps it was electric?
Could that be a light?"

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Once an eel is dead, it does not produce electricity. Assuming the killer even caught an electric one that is.
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"Then the pillowcase.
I see no point burning it
Other than for light.

"If it were bloodied,
It could be easily washed
As the spear was, no?"

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"But the ash was by your RC, wasn't it? The killer would need to collect it, then walk all the way over there just to dump it..."
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"It would also have had a bullet hole in it." Damien said. "Most likely, at least."
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"Are all the lamps in the lounge what were originally there? Perhaps they were still on when Liza arrived, or the killer navigated closer to her using the cord?"
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"... 'the killer just waited in their RC, that neighbored the lounge'..." Aria repeated, looking stunned. "That would be my research centre, yes? ... Are you accusing me of murder, your highness? Because that would be rather impossible."

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"If it were bloodied,
It could be easily washed
As the spear was, no?"

"Assuming the pillowcase is not red, black or other similar colours, I would think it would be rather difficult to clean a bloodstain from it. Unless the killer went to either the storage or their cells, got some soap and then went to either the kitchen or their cells and washed it thoroughly. And then leaving it to dry would also take some time."

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"Are all the lamps in the lounge what were originally there? Perhaps they were still on when Liza arrived, or the killer navigated closer to her using the cord?"

"I cannot see why she would linger there that long, but could she have perhaps used the light of the Zoologist Research Centre to lead her into the lounge? Or would the corridors be too dark for that?"

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"Again we run into the issue of how the killer cleaned up the scene and then navigated the hallways in the dark."
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"... 'the killer just waited in their RC, that neighbored the lounge'..." Aria repeated, looking stunned. "That would be my research centre, yes? ... Are you accusing me of murder, your highness? Because that would be rather impossible."

"I...just thought it was a possibility. I don't anymore, I was just getting desperate." Colin's face turned red. "S-Sorry."
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"... 'the killer just waited in their RC, that neighbored the lounge'..." Aria repeated, looking stunned. "That would be my research centre, yes? ... Are you accusing me of murder, your highness? Because that would be rather impossible."

"That should be quite clear.
I'd more readily believe
You're able to fly."


She sighed and folded her arms again.

"...Then what about this?
The killer had spear and case
Both at the crime scene.

"When the lights went out,
They crafted a makeshift torch
Using those two things.

"But the flame grew fast,
So, as not to start a blaze,
They threw it outside.

"Out the lounge window,
It landed near my cottage
Without my knowledge.

"Then later that night,
The killer retrieved the spear,
Leaving the ash there."

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"Then how did the killer successfully shoot Liza, shoot Rina, pick up everything else to be disposed of in the dark while avoiding the blood, and then navigate the darkened hallways to leave the second floor?"
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“The lounge and your cottage are more than a little far away, you know?” Colin rolled his eyes. “Plus it brings us back to the same problem: ‘anyone could’ve done that.’”
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Light from the Zoologist RC could possibly guide Liza. But she closed the door behind her.
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"I...just thought it was a possibility. I don't anymore, I was just getting desperate." Colin's face turned red. "S-Sorry."

"It is alright," she said after some time with a sigh. "I understand suspicion must be put on everyone, but with the kind of dress I wear, such a murder plan would not even be worth thinking about."

Aria glanced at Ohishi, a bit heartened by the latter's trust in her.

She thought on Monokuma's answer. "So if the light of the centre could not be used... as his highness said, is it possible for Ms. Frye to have noticed the lounge lights from the corridor, and followed them into the room? Unless Ms. Nova had the door closed as well, or the lamps were broken by that point..."
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(said this to JM in private, might as well say it here)

Zoologist RC and Lounge are close enough to where Liza could theoretically feel her way around. She couldn't go anywhere else like the Lucky Student RC however.
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"Bzz, Miss Azurine just thought of something!" ZuZu lights up. "What if Liza or the killer brought a flashlight from the storage?"
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"Aria, let me get a few things straight. Pardon the volley of questions," Mikael stated, addressing the Flautist, "You led the victims to their cleaning locations, right?

So Rina to the Lounge and Liza to the Zoologist RC. Am I wrong?

Can you reconfirm when you dropped each person off?

In any case, I think you were the last to see Rina before she died, weren't you?

Did either of them seem to be acting strange in any way?"

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Raymond stands still and silently rubs his chin. "...I'm starting to believe that she died before midnight. If the killer knew what time she'd arrive at exactly, they'd have five minutes to get their job done. Doesn't seem impossible for someone with a little luck, or skill to back them up."
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"Little Blue..." Colin turned to Azurine. "I haven't been able to see it for myself but...when you witness something traumatic, your hat sparks, doesn't it? Enough to create some light?" The mood turned grim. "You said your hat was only a memory and communication aid, but I'd like you to let someone else see it so we could see how many features it actually has."
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"Aria, let me get a few things straight. Pardon the volley of questions," Mikael stated, addressing the Flautist, "You led the victims to their cleaning locations, right?

So Rina to the Lounge and Liza to the Zoologist RC. Am I wrong?

"Yes, you are wrong," Aria said bluntly, and continued, "I've emphasised it once before- I went with Ms. Nova to her research centre and Ms. Frye to the lounge, when the areas assigned to them were the opposite."

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Can you reconfirm when you dropped each person off?

"I do not remember the exact time, but it was after we saw the cleaning schedule in the cafeteria."

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In any case, I think you were the last to see Rina before she died, weren't you?

"Other than the killer and perhaps Ms. Frye, I believe so."

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Did either of them seem to be acting strange in any way?"

"As I recall, no. Though we did not talk that much, besides me wishing both of them good luck with their work."
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Azurine turns to Colin before removing ZuZu.

"Well if you really have to know..." ZuZu buzzes. "ZuZu is capable of memory management, communication and sound production. ZuZu supposes ZuZu can also light up sometimes, but it doesn't last very long. Oh, and ZuZu forgot to mention..ZuZu can work on anyone, really."
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"Aria, let me get a few things straight. Pardon the volley of questions," Mikael stated, addressing the Flautist, "You led the victims to their cleaning locations, right?

So Rina to the Lounge and Liza to the Zoologist RC. Am I wrong?

"Yes, you are wrong," Aria said bluntly, and continued, "I've emphasised it once before- I went with Ms. Nova to her research centre and Ms. Frye to the lounge, when the areas assigned to them were the opposite."

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Can you reconfirm when you dropped each person off?

"I do not remember the exact time, but it was after we saw the cleaning schedule in the cafeteria."

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In any case, I think you were the last to see Rina before she died, weren't you?

"Other than the killer and perhaps Ms. Frye, I believe so."

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Did either of them seem to be acting strange in any way?"

"As I recall, no. Though we did not talk that much, besides me wishing both of them good luck with their work."

"Right, thank you for answering. I apologize for getting confused. Still, do you know why you took them to the opposite cleaning locations?" Mikael asked, "Perhaps something they told you could be important."

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Azurine turns to Colin before removing ZuZu.

"Well if you really have to know..." ZuZu buzzes. "ZuZu is capable of memory management, communication and sound production. ZuZu supposes ZuZu can also light up sometimes, but it doesn't last very long. Oh, and ZuZu forgot to mention..ZuZu can work on anyone, really."

"Hold up, sound production? Can you make the sound of a gunshot?" Mikael wondered.
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Azurine turns to Colin before removing ZuZu.

"Well if you really have to know..." ZuZu buzzes. "ZuZu is capable of memory management, communication and sound production. ZuZu supposes ZuZu can also light up sometimes, but it doesn't last very long. Oh, and ZuZu forgot to mention..ZuZu can work on anyone, really."

"We've determined the killer is somebody who couldn't plan for the blackout, but had a way to deal with it and shoot Liz when it occurred." Colin summarized. "Little Blue, I can't think of anybody else who could be ready for such a scenario."
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Azurine frowns.

"Does this mean you're accusing Miss Azurine? =[." ZuZu whirrs in disappointment. "ZuZu reminds you that ZuZu doesn't work well in the dark, so your theory is wrong. Besides, if the killer was blind, they wouldn't need any source of light..>=o."
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"We already determined that a blind person wouldn't be able to effectively shoot someone." Colin grumbled. "Furthermore, we don't know your real talent. Barring the addition of other plausible suspects, yes, I'm accusing you."
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"Hold up, sound production? Can you make the sound of a gunshot?" Mikael wondered.


"If ZuZu could produce a gunshot," Simon says, "That could explain why Cain heard gunshots and Colin didn't, if the noises were actually simulated closer to him."
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"Furthermore, even if the hat only lights up briefly, it should still be able to assess the dark hallways better than a human being could. Therefore, it stands to reason that it could give Little Blue instructions on how to exit the crime scene."
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"Then how did the killer successfully shoot Liza, shoot Rina, pick up everything else to be disposed of in the dark while avoiding the blood, and then navigate the darkened hallways to leave the second floor?"

"Killing and cleaning;
The culprit would have the torch
To assist their tasks.

"Leaving is easy,
Even without a light source.
The halls are straight paths."


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“The lounge and your cottage are more than a little far away, you know?” Colin rolled his eyes. “Plus it brings us back to the same problem: ‘anyone could’ve done that.’”

She pursed her lips.

"A difficult throw,
For normal folk, of course.
But for a hitman?"

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"I told you she was suspicious! I knew it all along!" Shouted Veronica. "She has to be the hitman!"
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"Monokuma already told us that ZuZu's display doesn't provide enough light to see by. It is the same as the handbooks on low power mode." Damien reminded the others. "A glowless, kindle-like display, is how it was described to us."

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"Killing and cleaning;
The culprit would have the torch
To assist their tasks.

"Leaving is easy,
Even without a light source.
The halls are straight paths."



"Monokuma also confirmed that navigating the hallways would be a challenge. Other than moving between the Zoologist RC and the Lounge, it would be nigh impossible to move about in the dark."
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She pursed her lips.

"A difficult throw,
For normal folk, of course.
But for a hitman?"


"Just because they kill people for a living doesn't mean they have absurdly powerful upper arm strength," Simon says.
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"Monokuma already told us that ZuZu's display doesn't provide enough light to see by. It is the same as the handbooks on low power mode." Damien reminded the others. "A glowless, kindle-like display, is how it was described to us."


"I never claimed it was the display, Clocksucker. I claimed it was the sparks from ZuZu removing a traumatic memory. Regardless, she just admitted that ZuZu does indeed have a light function, even if it only works briefly. That's plenty of time to get off a gunshot!"
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
She pursed her lips.

"A difficult throw,
For normal folk, of course.
But for a hitman?"


"Just because they kill people for a living doesn't mean they have absurdly powerful upper arm strength," Simon says.

"He's right. Especially if this hitman is friendly with guns, and not much else."
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"Now that I think about it," Simon says, "This theory of the pillowcase being used as a torch doesn't make any sense. The killer still had to take all the food out of the fridge, and the pillowcase seems like the best way to accomplish that. However, I don't think a flaming pillowcase would do the job quite as well."
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"I never claimed it was the display, Clocksucker. I claimed it was the sparks from ZuZu removing a traumatic memory. Regardless, she just admitted that ZuZu does indeed have a light function, even if it only works briefly. That's plenty of time to get off a gunshot!"


"Two gunshots, scene cleanup, and hallway navigation. A brief flash of light won't account for all that unless it can be done repeatedly. Not to mention Azurine would first need to wrestle the gun off Liza, also in the dark with only brief flashes of light for assistance."
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"Monokuma already confirmed that going from the Zoologist RC to the Lucky Student is impossible in the dark without some kind of guidance. That means the killer must've been prepared and had the guns with them. Regardless, the light was only needed for Little Blue to shoot Liz. Everything she did afterwards could've been an instruction from Zuzu."
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