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"Actually," she added, "if she did use the float, maybe the cord was used to steer it? Meaning she'd have used something to propel it?"
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"There should be no doubt the whale float is how Mitzi escaped, yet I think we ought to consider the timing." Oscar taps his wrist to emphasize. "Would she really have been able to slip out right after putting V.A.L. put of commission? I feel it's more likely she set off while the queen and her butler were locked in the sauna. Otherwise we have no answer for the marks around the handle or... well, the fact they were trapped in general."

"It is possible Mitzi hadn't actually left the spa when the rest of her group found Val. If that's the case, she could've locked Florian and Irene in the sauna using her IV, and then prepared whatever it is she did to escape."
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"It is possible Mitzi hadn't actually left the spa when the rest of her group found Val. If that's the case, she could've locked Florian and Irene in the sauna using her IV, and then prepared whatever it is she did to escape."


"But would Bryan not have seen the obstruction then? And you also, perhaps, if you were there at the time."
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"It is possible Mitzi hadn't actually left the spa when the rest of her group found Val. If that's the case, she could've locked Florian and Irene in the sauna using her IV, and then prepared whatever it is she did to escape."


"But would Bryan not have seen the obstruction then? And you also, perhaps, if you were there at the time."

"Then she simply removed her stand before the others arrived. I don't believe Irene or the butler mentioned trying the door again until much later."
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"And since the whale floatie was probably used by Mitzi, how do you think it got back there?" Bryan crossed his arms. "She left a little after 10:00, and since Florian and Irene used it at 10:15-ish, she'd only have about fifteen minutes to get to where she was going and get it back. Unless she decided to stow away in the whale's mouth, took one of the life jackets just in case, and just waited for it to set sail? Maybe she found a way to lock Florian and Irene in the sauna--like Oscar said--so they'd need to use that..."

He nods at Oscar. "Yeah. Maybe she used her IV stand to trick them into thinking it was locked, but went and got it when she got a chance to."
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"Perhaps she did not need to return the floatie at all. If she left on it with Florian and Irene, there would be no issue. Perhaps she used the curtain to blend in inside the mouth, and used the towel rope to hang on and ensure she did not fall out?"
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"Perhaps she did not need to return the floatie at all. If she left on it with Florian and Irene, there would be no issue. Perhaps she used the curtain to blend in inside the mouth, and used the towel rope to hang on and ensure she did not fall out?"


"I suppose that could work, but, err-- how would Mitzi get off? She would not have anything to help her float, and the whale did deflate eventually."
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"Maybe it's got something to do with that glowing thing you saw?" Bryan suggested. "No idea what it could've been, though..."
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“Was her IV liquid a glowy color? I can’t remember....”
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“Was her IV liquid a glowy color? I can’t remember....”

"Er... It was clear," Bryan replied, scratching his head. "Doubt it would've been anything related to that unless the sun somehow glinted off of the IV stand..."
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"A section of the whale was glowing, and not the entire whale... thus I suppose it could have been an item similiar to a flashlight?" Irene asks. "Err... not much else could cause a glow..."
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"Excellent work, everyone!" Otto exclaims, "Yes, that's correct! When Florian and Irene left on the whale, Mitzi was tied inside the mouth, hidden beanth the curtain! That's the biggest hurdle done with, I might say!"

"Now, here's the next and last topic. I'm sure you all know exactly where to go from here!"

The display on the monitor lit up once again. The topic to the right of Mitzi's face changed to "Who killed Mitzi?"
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"Well, we've got the timeframe narrowed down, too," Bryan stated, looking around at all of the other students. "Since the body was discovered at around 10:35, and Florian and Irene boarded the floatie around 10:15, she was killed some time in those twenty minutes..."
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"Okay, hold on, everyone slow down here, I have no idea what you're talking about," Urumi sighed. "I thought Mitzi was in the washroom knocking the water on the robot. Now all of a sudden, she's on the other side of the building climbing into the floatie's mouth? And why would she need to hold the sauna door shut if she was leaving anyway? Someone explain exactly what happened instead of just tossing out fragmented theories."
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"Okay, hold on, everyone slow down here, I have no idea what you're talking about," Urumi sighed. "I thought Mitzi was in the washroom knocking the water on the robot. Now all of a sudden, she's on the other side of the building climbing into the floatie's mouth? And why would she need to hold the sauna door shut if she was leaving anyway? Someone explain exactly what happened instead of just tossing out fragmented theories."


"That is true, I am not sure how she would have gotten to the other sauna..." Irene says. "Though it does seem like she stole a curtain, short circuited VAL, somehow came into the other sauna and climbed out of the window onto the whale, then hid in the whale's mouth covering herself with the cloth... err, yes."
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"Huh? Mitzi was on the float with us and we didn't even notice?!" Florian hangs his head low in shame. "I have failed as a butler..."

He then shakes himself off. "Never mind all that. Are there any people we can cross out from the list of potential suspects?"
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"In order to do that, we'd need to know where she went and such after getting off that float, right?" Rinea asks Florian.

"Oh, but we can for sure take off Oscar, Koichi and myself, 'cause we were in that locker room together. And I guess other groups who were together the whole time can be taken off as well."
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"I will try to put together Mitzi's actions, though I may not be correct in all details."

"While Florian and Irene were in the left sauna, and Bryan was downstairs after leaving Mitzi to use the washroom, Mitzi tipped the wash tub over VAL to disable it and took a curtain and some towels. She slipped into the right sauna, and waited for the others to go into the washroom to find out what had happened. She then went to the left sauna, I think, to hide again, allowing Florian and Irene to enter the right sauna and Bryan to head back downstairs. She left the sauna to block the right sauna entrance with her IV stand temporarily, letting Florian try the door and find it 'locked', before returning to the left sauna to set up there. She tied the towels into a rope and used that to hold onto the inside of the whale's mouth, and covered herself in the curtain to blend in and avoid notice, as the colours matched. Afterwards she simply waited for Florian and Irene to take the whale and float away, not realising she was stowed inside."
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"I guess I can cross off James as a suspect as well, since I can confirm he was unconscious around that time, but he can't really do the same for me..." Raul said, sounding slightly annoyed at both parts of that statement.
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"I will try to put together Mitzi's actions, though I may not be correct in all details."

"While Florian and Irene were in the left sauna, and Bryan was downstairs after leaving Mitzi to use the washroom, Mitzi tipped the wash tub over VAL to disable it and took a curtain and some towels. She slipped into the right sauna, and waited for the others to go into the washroom to find out what had happened. She then went to the left sauna, I think, to hide again, allowing Florian and Irene to enter the right sauna and Bryan to head back downstairs. She left the sauna to block the right sauna entrance with her IV stand temporarily, letting Florian try the door and find it 'locked', before returning to the left sauna to set up there. She tied the towels into a rope and used that to hold onto the inside of the whale's mouth, and covered herself in the curtain to blend in and avoid notice, as the colours matched. Afterwards she simply waited for Florian and Irene to take the whale and float away, not realising she was stowed inside."

"Wait, so we are saying she snuck into the sauna after all? Nobody said anything when I suggested it so I didn't think anyone was considering it."

Urumi crossed her arms. "So wait, how did she know Florian and Irene would go into the right sauna? And where did she go after she rode on the floatie?"
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"Wait, maybe if we also consider the why..." Jack had an idea. "I think Mitzi was totally planning to kill someone! Why else would she enlist James to get the random execution balloon? He was gonna help her with another murder plan, so they worked together for him to have the balloon to use. So maybe there's a plan beyond what we're seeing, that only James knows about? It just never happened cause she never got to rescue him..."
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Florian turns to Urumi. "Maybe she overheard us when Mister Suarez, Miss Irene and I decided to split up and search in different areas?"
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"There is also another problem, how did she get to the whale from the leftmost sauna? Err, though it could not matter as much, I believe it is still worth-- well, discussing. I also do not think it was important that she knew Florian and I were in the sauna-- just that someone was there." Irene says.

"After she rode on the whale I suppose she went to the ticket office. That is where the shower curtain was found, damp and in a pile."
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"Hey, Your Highness, quick question about the glowy thingy," Bryan began, turning to Irene as he spoke. "Was it, like, a flash, or was it a constantly glowing? And d'ya know about how bright it was?"
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"Hey, Your Highness, quick question about the glowy thingy," Bryan began, turning to Irene as he spoke. "Was it, like, a flash, or was it a constantly glowing? And d'ya know about how bright it was?"


"Uhm..." Irene stammers, oddly enough. "It was of a consistent quality. That is about all."
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"The water had risen up a considerably amount by then, right? I think Mitzi simply jumped out the window and landed in the float. Couldn't have been much of a drop when by 10:00 the bottom floor was already submerged."
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"If I'm understanding the theory, then yeah, she probably could have jumped."
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"Wait, maybe if we also consider the why..." Jack had an idea. "I think Mitzi was totally planning to kill someone! Why else would she enlist James to get the random execution balloon? He was gonna help her with another murder plan, so they worked together for him to have the balloon to use. So maybe there's a plan beyond what we're seeing, that only James knows about? It just never happened cause she never got to rescue him..."


"But James was the one who figured out the balloon's location... and the motive was not known to anyone until 9:00, at which point it was too late for them to collude. This also means whoever flooded the park didn't know about the motive, and therefore the scavenger hunt, when they set it up to happen. The scavenger hunt was not a part of their plan, and likely interfered with it."

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"After she rode on the whale I suppose she went to the ticket office. That is where the shower curtain was found, damp and in a pile."


"It might help us to know of your movements, Irene. You were the one on the whale still after Florian jumped overboard. Where did you, and the whale, go from the spa until 10:30? There is a gap in our knowledge between Florian jumping off and the whale ending up deflated by the park entrance."
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"Wait, maybe if we also consider the why..." Jack had an idea. "I think Mitzi was totally planning to kill someone! Why else would she enlist James to get the random execution balloon? He was gonna help her with another murder plan, so they worked together for him to have the balloon to use. So maybe there's a plan beyond what we're seeing, that only James knows about? It just never happened cause she never got to rescue him..."


"But James was the one who figured out the balloon's location... and the motive was not known to anyone until 9:00, at which point it was too late for them to collude. This also means whoever flooded the park didn't know about the motive, and therefore the scavenger hunt, when they set it up to happen. The scavenger hunt was not a part of their plan, and likely interfered with it."

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"After she rode on the whale I suppose she went to the ticket office. That is where the shower curtain was found, damp and in a pile."


"It might help us to know of your movements, Irene. You were the one on the whale still after Florian jumped overboard. Where did you, and the whale, go from the spa until 10:30? There is a gap in our knowledge between Florian jumping off and the whale ending up deflated by the park entrance."


"I was not on the whale for long after that, as it deflated. So I am not sure where it ended up."
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"But where did you end up?" Keri insisted. "And when did you get off of the whale? It would have been some time before the flooding began to recede, I imagine, so there was no safe place for you to be."
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"But James was the one who figured out the balloon's location... and the motive was not known to anyone until 9:00, at which point it was too late for them to collude. This also means whoever flooded the park didn't know about the motive, and therefore the scavenger hunt, when they set it up to happen. The scavenger hunt was not a part of their plan, and likely interfered with it."


"You are likely correct about the motive being disconnected from flood. Regardless, if the killer planned on using the flood for murder, then how did they plan on navigating through the flood? They would have to get their planned victim in one location. Logically, the killer must have been waiting somewhere...trying to lure their victim in."
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"I believe it was mentioned before, but someone had planned some other things in advance too. The window pane was missing from the left sauna, and inside it were the whale floatie and life vest, which had been taken in advance from the ticket booth. Someone had been planning something before the scavenger hunt interfered with their plans. Perhaps they had prepared the boat specifically for navigating the flood they were going to cause? They had just one life vest, enough for them and them only."

"The window, on the other hand, seems to have been for the purpose of ensuring the spa would flood. Another part of their plan, to force someone's hand perhaps?"
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"Wouldn't whoever set the boat and life vest up have taken the window out, too?" Urumi tilted her head. "I mean, if they were planning on flooding the park, how else were they going to get the boat out of the spa?"
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"I believe the windows can open enough to have moved the boat out, so they would not have needed to remove the pane. But by removing the pane, they ensured that there was no way to stop the flood of water from rushing in."
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"I guess that makes sense..." Urumi admitted. Then she blinked and shook her head. "Wait a minute, no it doesn't. What would someone gain from doing that? Were they planning on luring someone to the spa and letting the slowly rising water drown them?"
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"Yes, it is odd... I cannot see the connection, but, would the closet on the lower floor have anything to do with it? I do now know what other relevance it would have to this case. What was so special about it?" she asked Raul, Koichi and Irene.
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"Maybe the killer was Florian or Her Masjesty, and they already killed Mitzi and put her in the whale mouth? Or they worked with Mitzi to help her get out? In that case, by removing the window pane, they can convince their friend that they have "no choice" but to move the boat out the window?"
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"I guess that makes sense..." Urumi admitted. Then she blinked and shook her head. "Wait a minute, no it doesn't. What would someone gain from doing that? Were they planning on luring someone to the spa and letting the slowly rising water drown them?"

"No, the person who removed the window should be the same person who placed the floatie and the life vest in the sauna. It's more likely that they were trying to force someone to use the floatie."
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"Wait, maybe if we also consider the why..." Jack had an idea. "I think Mitzi was totally planning to kill someone! Why else would she enlist James to get the random execution balloon? He was gonna help her with another murder plan, so they worked together for him to have the balloon to use. So maybe there's a plan beyond what we're seeing, that only James knows about? It just never happened cause she never got to rescue him..."


"I didn't have a plan beyond securing the balloon", James admitted. "I'm not sure whether Mitzi did, but I was simply planning to share the prize with her, nothing more."

He smirked as Raul explained that he supported his alibi. "Well, as you said, I wasn't awake at the time, so I'm not able to say whether you did."
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