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"Ah, Mr. Okamura, I actually have a question for you. Earlier you mentioned you examined the storage car because you heard a 'thud', as you put it. Could you describe that sound for us in more detail?"
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"Why of course, Doctor! It sounded something like THUD." Kyoya recited proudly.
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"Why of course, Doctor! It sounded something like THUD." Kyoya recited proudly.

"I see, I see... That is quite interesting! Could you have actually heard the moment Ms. Hall's body was crushed?"
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"One more thing, Kyoya," Eli asked, "When you said you found Siri, did she have both of the storage containers on her? Or just one?"
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"Uuugh, this is really hard to figure out," Nana pouted. Suddenly her eyes lit up. "Oh! Why don't we just call the police? That's what you're supposed to do when there's an accident, right? I'm sure they can take care of everything!"

She attempted to get off her mech before remembering she was being held in place. "Um, Miss Eve? Do you have a phone we can use? And, uh, can you please make the call? I don't think I can do it right now."
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"Ah, sorry Nana," Eve said, clapping her hands together in apology. "We're out of range here, and I think the crash must've knocked out the Wi-Fi on the train. We're on our own out here. On the plus side, that means there's no-one who'll come get in our way!"
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"Ha! Just wait until I slice you up, evil being! If anyone is gonna get in your way, it's me..!"
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"Also..." Rose adds. "You guys keep saying that no one could have known about the killing game before the trip began, but what if that's not true?" She says, crossing her arms. "My guess is that whoever the killer is is someone who had already struck a deal with Eve before showing up here. Someone masquerading as an Ultimate, when they're actually just a filthy traitor.." The perfumer carefully scrutinizes the others in the room.
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Annabella was quiet for a while, seemingly deep in thought. "I'm not sure if anyone brought this up before, but are we certain Siri was killed in the storage car? Maybe she was killed elsewhere, before the crash, and was hidden in the storage car."
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Evelyn cleared her throat, turning to Nana. "So, about your sister. She was in Siri's room sleeping, yes? Did you happen to notice anything strange there? Did she happen to tell you what she was doing till then?"

At Annabelle's suggestion, she tilted her head in thought. "Hmm, a definite possibility. Though it would also imply that the COD was not the storage containers, and that the containers were used to crush her corpse post-mortem to hide her true cause of death. In that case, perhaps it would have to do with where she was killed? It could not have been due to the kitchen fire though, as I did not happen upon any burns on the body."
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“Please. I’ve solved this mystery many-a-time before. If my toast disappears, it’s because someone ate it!”


"Ah, and concerning this...", Evelyn added, double posting because why not. "I believe this 'missing toast' is but a red herring. Althie says she didn't acquire any toast that day, which I believe might have led you all in the wrong direction. She was unconscious in the vent, after all, and did not get to see Kyoya throw the toast at her. So I believe the clear solution here is that the toast must still be in the vents, wasting away. So we can discard that, I suppose."
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"What a waste of good bread...man, I'm starved...hey, Kyoya, get me one of your famous toasties! And a milkshake! Do you do back rubs..?"
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Evelyn cleared her throat, turning to Nana. "So, about your sister. She was in Siri's room sleeping, yes? Did you happen to notice anything strange there? Did she happen to tell you what she was doing till then?"

At Annabelle's suggestion, she tilted her head in thought. "Hmm, a definite possibility. Though it would also imply that the COD was not the storage containers, and that the containers were used to crush her corpse post-mortem to hide her true cause of death. In that case, perhaps it would have to do with where she was killed? It could not have been due to the kitchen fire though, as I did not happen upon any burns on the body."

"Ah, if the containers were intentionally used to crush the body, that could explain why only some of them fell over! It must have been sabotage." she seemed pretty pleased with herself, but right after saying that she hung her head low. "I guess this means that abhorrent machine isn't the killer after all then..."
Somehow, she still didn't seem fully convinced.
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"Well, I'm not sure if we have any evidence of the true cause of death, considering we didn't find anything cleaned or suspicious like that. But we do know the killer dropped that crate on her somehow, and it seems like Kyoya knows when it dropped. So maybe we could figure out how the killer dropped it at that time. Most of us were together, right?"
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"Aww, no phone, really? What a bad break," Nana sighed.

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Evelyn cleared her throat, turning to Nana. "So, about your sister. She was in Siri's room sleeping, yes? Did you happen to notice anything strange there? Did she happen to tell you what she was doing till then?"

"Um, dreaming, probably?" Nana tilted her head. "She was asleep when I checked on her before, and when we found her. I don't think I saw anything strange though... besides the room being a mess, I mean."

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"Ah, if the containers were intentionally used to crush the body, that could explain why only some of them fell over! It must have been sabotage." she seemed pretty pleased with herself, but right after saying that she hung her head low. "I guess this means that abhorrent machine isn't the killer after all then..."
Somehow, she still didn't seem fully convinced.

"Huh? How would someone do that, though? Aren't those container things, like, really heavy?"
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"Well, I'm not sure if we have any evidence of the true cause of death, considering we didn't find anything cleaned or suspicious like that. But we do know the killer dropped that crate on her somehow, and it seems like Kyoya knows when it dropped. So maybe we could figure out how the killer dropped it at that time. Most of us were together, right?"


"I didn't happen to notice anything strange with Nicos, Althie or Skylar", Evelyn said simply. "I do not think they were involved, however."
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"One more thing, Kyoya," Eli asked, "When you said you found Siri, did she have both of the storage containers on her? Or just one?"

"From what I remember, nothing changed from when I first arrived at the scene to when I fetched everyone else." Kyoya grumbled. "Anyway, I believe the issue of our time-delayed container fall is quite simple. The killer removed the outermost struts and left the container to only be supported on the middle strut. After some time the weight of the container ripped the strut from the wall. This matches your observation of the wall's markings, correct?"

Kyoya spun the car as mobile as he was able with the spiders around. "Yes, the killer can be any one of us! Miss Hall was certainly killed much earlier!"
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"So it was a timed trap to set it to fall onto her corpse?", Evelyn asked. "Yes, well, I think that does work well. They must have used it to procure themselves a good alibi rather than to hide any other wounds...though the question now is what the initial COD was, and when the crime actually took place. Once we find that out, I'm sure we shall start eliminating suspects much faster."
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Kyoya spun the car as mobile as he was able with the spiders around. "Yes, the killer can be any one of us! Miss Hall was certainly killed much earlier!"

"But, but, you mean to say... What we thought we knew about the alibis thus far is useless?!" she started panicking, trashing against the spiderbot again. "It, it, it wasn't Eve? Any of us could've done it?!"
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"Marshall, Annabella, Honda and I were together the whole time, so I think we're good," Nicos sighed. "'Course, Nana stepped out to check on her sister..! But I don't know if she had enough time....and if we have to solve stuff even before than that, then..."
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"From what I remember, nothing changed from when I first arrived at the scene to when I fetched everyone else." Kyoya grumbled. "Anyway, I believe the issue of our time-delayed container fall is quite simple. The killer removed the outermost struts and left the container to only be supported on the middle strut. After some time the weight of the container ripped the strut from the wall. This matches your observation of the wall's markings, correct?"

Kyoya spun the car as mobile as he was able with the spiders around. "Yes, the killer can be any one of us! Miss Hall was certainly killed much earlier!"


"This makes a lot of sense," Eli replied, "But in that case, I'm not sure what the point of the second container was. You'd think just the one would have been enough. Unless that had something to do with the truth cause of death?"

"Though to my knowledge, there's no evidence of a murder happening anywhere else on the train, unless someone knows a way the evidence could have been cleaned up. Though...I guess if she was suffocated with one of those pillows, it wouldn't have left much behind."
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"Suffocation is a definite possibility. But then, that puts Hoshiko under suspicion, as she was nearest to said pillows", Evelyn commented. "Though it could just be that she was so exhausted that she fell asleep, then someone used the pillow to strange Siri without waking her up...somehow."
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"Um, but, hey..." Nana chimed in timidly. "Isn't taking the strut things out from under that box thing really, really risky? Like, having-the-box-fall-on-your-head risky? I'm kind of surprised it stayed up as long as it did."

She chewed her lip. "So, um, why did it stay on the wall that long, anyway? You'd think it would fall when the train crashed, right? Unless they took the struts out after the crash, I guess..."
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"Suffocation is a definite possibility. But then, that puts Hoshiko under suspicion, as she was nearest to said pillows", Evelyn commented. "Though it could just be that she was so exhausted that she fell asleep, then someone used the pillow to strange Siri without waking her up...somehow."


"I wouldn't say it's too unbelievable. Even if Siri woke up, the pillow would have blocked any noise she made. And it sounds like Hoshiko was sleepin' like a brick."

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"Um, but, hey..." Nana chimed in timidly. "Isn't taking the strut things out from under that box thing really, really risky? Like, having-the-box-fall-on-your-head risky? I'm kind of surprised it stayed up as long as it did."

She chewed her lip. "So, um, why did it stay on the wall that long, anyway? You'd think it would fall when the train crashed, right? Unless they took the struts out after the crash, I guess..."


"The killer couldn't have anticipated the crash, so once it occurred they might have decided in the heart of the moment to use it as cover for the murder by taking the struts off the box," Eli replied, "Though you're right about that being dangerous. How easy even is it to reach the struts, let alone tamper with them?"

"Though, if this was entirely unplanned, it could point to the killer having had no knowledge of this 'game.'"
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"This makes a lot of sense," Eli replied, "But in that case, I'm not sure what the point of the second container was. You'd think just the one would have been enough. Unless that had something to do with the truth cause of death?"

"Oh! Perhaps the second container really did fall on accident? We only found marks indicating the removed struts supported the larger container, correct? So maybe the second one wasn't as secured?"
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While everyone discussed the containers, it seemed Annabella was interested in something else. Her head was looking back and forth between Nana and Hoshiko, until she finally stopped on Nana. "You two are completely identical, right? There's no way we could tell you apart just by looking?"
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"Oh! Perhaps the second container really did fall on accident? We only found marks indicating the removed struts supported the larger container, correct? So maybe the second one wasn't as secured?"


"Perhaps, but that seems a little random to me," Eli replied, "My momma always said that everything's got a purpose...though not sure how well that's holdin' up right now."

Eli looked upwards, slowly rubbing the brim of his hat in thought. "Another possibility if we're running with the theory that Siri was attacked earlier. She may have received that bruise on her leg while fighting off her assailant. In that case, the killer might have left the container there to account for the wound and disguise where it really came from."
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"This makes a lot of sense," Eli replied, "But in that case, I'm not sure what the point of the second container was. You'd think just the one would have been enough. Unless that had something to do with the truth cause of death?"

"Oh! Perhaps the second container really did fall on accident? We only found marks indicating the removed struts supported the larger container, correct? So maybe the second one wasn't as secured?"

"Maybe the killer got the idea from the first crate falling?"
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"Maybe the killer got the idea from the first crate falling?"

"Perhaps, perhaps... If the lighter crate fell on Ms. Hall first, a result of the crash, she would be pinned in place. Correct? In that case, the killer could set the delayed container trap Mr. Okamura outlined earlier knowing for sure she would be there when it fell."
She tried to put a hand on her chin, but the spiderbot disagreed with the use of such an overplayed gesture.
"This would place the time of death after the crash..."

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"Perhaps, but that seems a little random to me," Eli replied, "My momma always said that everything's got a purpose...though not sure how well that's holdin' up right now."

Eli looked upwards, slowly rubbing the brim of his hat in thought. "Another possibility if we're running with the theory that Siri was attacked earlier. She may have received that bruise on her leg while fighting off her assailant. In that case, the killer might have left the container there to account for the wound and disguise where it really came from."

"Ah, but, would any of us really be able to place that container over Ms. Hall like that? It seemed quite heavy to me!"
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"But why not yell for help? Would the sound of the crash have covered that up? Or would she need to be drugged?" Kyoya turned almost wistfully away. "In fact, I see no reason why the killer wouldn't just kill her at the first encounter and set the container to fall on their corpse. We received no time of death, so I don't believe it was worth the risk and effort to leave her alive until the container fell."

[Minor detail that I misremembered but it was the middle strut that came cleanly off, so that was probably the one removed by the killer. Which seems to solve the issue of the killer being able to remove the strut without the container tipping]

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Vic forced his hand to his chin with great force, he wasn't about to let these bots tell him what to do. he moved his head in the direction of eve giving a defiant grin...he unfortunately couldn't move his hand away from his chin afterwards.

"Mind if i give my thoughts on what I think happened? I think sometime before the crash Siri had been knocked out by the killer, perhaps the pillows were used to suffocate her her in her room, makes sence since even the crash didnt wake hoshiko up, maybe she had been drugged. afterwards siri was dragged through the vents to the storage area, my guess is sometime after getting there the crash happened. the container fell and crushed part of her, perhaps the killer saw this as an idea to cover up any signs of a struggle and prepaired the crate to fall, from there escaped. thats what i think happened, feel free to tell me anything that might not match up or something, this isnt exactly my forte afterall."

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"Perhaps, perhaps... If the lighter crate fell on Ms. Hall first, a result of the crash, she would be pinned in place. Correct? In that case, the killer could set the delayed container trap Mr. Okamura outlined earlier knowing for sure she would be there when it fell."
She tried to put a hand on her chin, but the spiderbot disagreed with the use of such an overplayed gesture.
"This would place the time of death after the crash..."


"That would mean the thud Kyoya heard really was the exact time of Siri's death, which puts us right back at square one," Eli said, "Though either way, we don't have much of an explanation for how Siri actually got to the storage room without being seen. It doesn't maker much sense for her to have been crawling through the vents, even more so if she'd already passed away."

"Though I still think Kyoya's right. The large container being meant to throw off the time of death is a pretty simple, sensible solution."

At Vic's remark, he added, "Yeah, that's mostly what I was thinking, but I'm not sure how the killer could have dragged her through the vents..."
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"But why not yell for help? Would the sound of the crash have covered that up? Or would she need to be drugged?" Kyoya turned almost wistfully away. "In fact, I see no reason why the killer wouldn't just kill her at the first encounter and set the container to fall on their corpse. We received no time of death, so I don't believe it was worth the risk and effort to leave her alive until the container fell."

"Actually theres a reason they might have not just killed her there, as I recall nana checked up on her sister before the crash right? Perhaps they had heard her coming and didn't have the time to finish the job in the room."
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While everyone discussed the containers, it seemed Annabella was interested in something else. Her head was looking back and forth between Nana and Hoshiko, until she finally stopped on Nana. "You two are completely identical, right? There's no way we could tell you apart just by looking?"

"Huh? No, that's not true at all. Our bangs are a little different, and..." Nana went to raise her hand again, found herself still restrained, then tilted her head to one side to let her hair fall away from her ear. "See, I wear earrings! Oh, and a ribbon on my leg. Sis doesn't wear either of those things. She usually has her backpack, too."
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"Huh? No, that's not true at all. Our bangs are a little different, and..." Nana went to raise her hand again, found herself still restrained, then tilted her head to one side to let her hair fall away from her ear. "See, I wear earrings! Oh, and a ribbon on my leg. Sis doesn't wear either of those things. She usually has her backpack, too."


"Well, you could just take those off, right? And I don't think anyone would notice different bangs." Annabella replied. "Maybe...is it possible you two could've switched places when you left during Honda's performance?"
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"Nuh-uh," Nana shook her head. "Sis was sleeping when I checked on her. If she switched with me, she'd be sleepwalking. Sis doesn't do that. Not that I've ever seen, at least."
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"Huh? No, that's not true at all. Our bangs are a little different, and..." Nana went to raise her hand again, found herself still restrained, then tilted her head to one side to let her hair fall away from her ear. "See, I wear earrings! Oh, and a ribbon on my leg. Sis doesn't wear either of those things. She usually has her backpack, too."


"Well, you could just take those off, right? And I don't think anyone would notice different bangs." Annabella replied. "Maybe...is it possible you two could've switched places when you left during Honda's performance?"

"Its possible for the ribbon, but the earrings might not depending on the type of earring and if her sisters ears are also pierced."
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"I didn't notice anything different...but maybe I missed something?"
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"Even if they switched, would that really accomplish anything...? One of them would still have no alibi, and it's not like they knew about the game's rules beforehand."
She looked at Nana uneasily.
"Ah, unless you did know..."
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"Really? We're still on this bit?" Skylar rolled her eyes for the millionth time. "C'mon, nobody could've possibly known about the game beforehand. Why is that so hard to accept?"

She thought for a moment.

"Also, I don't think the twins switched places. Like Althea said, it wouldn't accomplish anything beneficial to either of them."
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