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"I mean, is there any difference between the roof and the vent? Like in terms of the killer making it now to the back of the train. Maybe Nina would have bumped into the killer if they went back using the roof, and after the crash obviously there were people in the vent."

"I'm just trying to get our options straight, here."
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"Is it possible that Siri set up the thing with the boxes..? Maybe she rigged it so whoever opened the door would get crushed by the boxes! The outside struts could have scratches cause they would have been ripped away from the wall, or because some contraption was done to cause the struts to rip out, rather than deliberately removed!"
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"I think we should assume that the ones that look scratched up are the ones that broke loose and released the crate, right? Either way, it looks like the middle one didn't suddenly break because if it did, it would have left some sort of marking, right?"

"I think maybe the theory where the killer took out the middle one which eventually caused the other two to weaken seems most plausible, but maybe that idea isn't good enough."
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“Unless we can think of another weapon, I’m saying the middle strut did it. A quick blow to the head with one of those things will knock you out, unless you’re weak like me. Hit one leg so it can’t move, then pin the other down with the smaller box. Now even if she wakes up, she can’t escape the giant box crushing her.”
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The teacher frowned. If he followed the logic of Mr. Agne, and took that to a logical extreme...

"Mr. Keyes. Normally, I wouldn't wish to inflict this upon you, but as the thought has just occured to me, and you have spent the most time with her, I must ask you." He leaned forward, as much as he could. "Did Ms. Hall exhibit any signs that she would wish to harm herself?"
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Marshall stares at Nick intensely, his eye twitching. There's clearly something there like hostility, but in a moment, Marshall chokes it back.

"I don't think so. I think she completely loved herself... She had a big future ahead of her I think, or at least a big plan for herself. I mean, I don't think she would fear death if she encountered it. She was just bigger than fear. I don't know, it just felt that way when you were around her."

"Yeah she wouldn't..."

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"... I see. Forgive me for asking such an insensitive question in the way I did."

Well, that was the end of that theory. He wasn't unhappy that it was shot down, though.
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"Indeed, the theory that Siri herself went up the vents and that she blocked the kitchen door does make a good deal of sense here", Evelyn admitted. "I suppose that would make the COD the large container, after all. Nina's theory makes enough sense to me as well- the killer knocked her out with the middle strut, put one container over her leg so as to disable her from moving, and then leave her there for when the second container would finish her off. It's a rather effective timed mechanism, I must say... Though I'm not sure where that leaves us in terms of suspects yet."
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Hoshiko had seemed to be struggling with seeing the dead Siri and the odd game that she now beheld.

"U-um..." she said uncertainly. "Well, I'm sorry I don't have much to add, but I guess I should say so in my own words..."

"I was... Well, I was busy writing the first draft of my paper intro, but I wasn't getting anywhere-- writing in circles and all that, and I got really frustrated... Well, anyway I decided that maybe a little sleep would help-- just a little nap, mind you, because I still needed to make lunch tomorrow for Nana... and Siri and Annabelle..." she trailed off for a moment in thought before snapping back to reality. "...I saw Siri in the room-- she seemed to have the same idea-- she told me so, at least, although I guess that turned out not to be true..."

"Anyway, I didn't really think anything was weird until I saw that she was digging for something under her bed. I asked her and she said she needed extra pillows to get to sleep, and... well..." Hoshiko tried to shrug but she didn't really manage much movement. "...that made sense to me at the time, so I went to sleep."

She looked down, as if recalling it was hard for her. "I... had a very weird nightmare (I guess that's my punishment for oversleeping), and the next thing I know, Nana was over me-- she shook me awake and said we'd been in a crash." she smiled weakly at Nana. "It was sweet of her to worry, but I don't even remember the crash-- I guess I was still asleep. I guess if she really was murdered from a distance, I could've been the last person to see Siri alive... Wow..."

After a pause, she collected herself. "Anyway, sorry I don't have any more insight. If she was lying to me about needing more pillows to sleep, maybe she was lying to me about other things..."

"I don't mean to be overly optimistic, but is it possible that she was setting something up to lure someone else into the room she was found in, and accidentally fell victim to her own trap?"
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"I don't mean to be overly optimistic, but is it possible that she was setting something up to lure someone else into the room she was found in, and accidentally fell victim to her own trap?"

Vic closed his eyes and took a breath. "No. Siri definitely wasn't the type of person do that."
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"I don't mean to be overly optimistic, but is it possible that she was setting something up to lure someone else into the room she was found in, and accidentally fell victim to her own trap?"


"Yeah! That's what I said! Look at that Hoshiko -- we're totally in sync!"
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"I don't mean to be overly optimistic, but is it possible that she was setting something up to lure someone else into the room she was found in, and accidentally fell victim to her own trap?"

Vic closed his eyes and took a breath. "No. Siri definitely wasn't the type of person do that."

"I do not wish to believe Lady Siri was the type of person to do that, but the possibility is still there I'm afraid." Honda responded.
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"I think the struts were screwed down though. Just saying, it's not like the killer just popped the strut off the wall and took out Siri in one swift motion, but I'm not saying it's super out of the question either," Marshall offers to Evelyn.

"Also, I don't know, Siri was a complex person with her own whole life. She told me a few things in confidence about herself, but just don't expect me to openly discuss them, okay? I'm not letting this discussion devolve to that," he states firmly. "Just in case anyone gets any ideas after opening that can of worms."

He looks to Hoshiko and just shakes his head, "I mean yeah I trust that Siri wouldn't do that, but also I just don't think it's too easy to hit anybody with that trap unless they're out, you know?"
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"Why would she even need the pillows? That's certainly a bit surprising", Evelyn commented. "I suppose they could still be another candidate for the COD... Perhaps this will sound a bit far-fetched, but perhaps Siri herself wished to use the pillows to, well...strangle someone else, perhaps?" The look on her face darkened somewhat as she readjusted her monocle in contemplation. "But then they were used on her instead, and for whatever reason the killer used the containers afterwards to hide that she was suffocated... Though, I'm not sure what would change if we found that out. It doesn't alter the suspect pool in any significant way, really. And that brings to mind another question- what happened to the pillows afterwards? I don't recall them being found anywhere on the train? Were they simply put back in the bedroom afterwards? I suppose that could be the simple explanation... And I suppose if they were kept in another room, we would have noticed in our investigations. Still, this little trinket about the victim's actions tells us quite a lot." She nodded, calmly as ever.

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Vic closed his eyes and took a breath. "No. Siri definitely wasn't the type of person do that."


Evelyn took a pause. "We still know little about Siri's motives. We know she was interested in those letters, which paints her as perhaps being Gawain's sister. Who knows what measures she would take for...doing whatever she was going to do." She shook her head. "It pains me to think of it this way, but with this horrific game started, it is in our best interests to reasonably doubt everyone. Even myself, really."
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"Our theories so far point to her lying to Hoshiko about the pillows, moving to the storage via the vent to not get spotted, then blocking the door to the kitchen. Not the actions of an innocent person... believe it, coming from me. It wouldn't be out of question for Siri herself to unscrew the middle strut, only for her target to overpower her and take it from her. Had she really fallen into her own trap, the strut would still be in her hand, or close to it."
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"What's wrong with meeting someone in the storage room in private, huh?! If you're saying she's guilty for it then maybe I am too," Marshall scowls at Nina and shakes his head in disbelief.
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"Because then, why block off an entrance? Why go through the vents to not be seen? If it was a simple conversation, just go in with the target, whisper to each other, and hush if anyone enters. Or just write notes, and burn them after."
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"The crates could have been knocked in front of the doors during the crash, after all, they were awful heavy for someone with Siri's upper-body physique. Plus, you don't want to be seen entering somewhere privately with anyone if you're gonna talk to them, and if they went through the train together, a lot of people would have seen them, especially the people in the kitchen. I mean, I don't see the vents as a way of moving around really, but if I did I would use them to hold an intimate conversation from time to time if I chose to."
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"The lighter ones are difficult to carry for one person. But she didn't need to carry them. Push them to the ground, then push them to the door. And if they wanted a private conversation, they could do it literally anywhere else. Just find any old empty room. No need for vents or staying hidden at all. If it really was just a conversation, then who cares if other people see them? So long as they are alone for the actual conversation, it doesn't matter."
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Nina takes a deep breath.

"Alright, so I don't really care about catching the killer, but I'm stuck here until we find 'em. So, if my theory is correct, that Siri asked to meet someone in storage, removed a strut to knock someone out and crush them, but got overpowered and put in her own trap, then that means the killer had to be someone who had some time alone before the crash. This leaves only a few suspects:

Hoshiko- she was in her room the whole time with next to no one to confirm.
Nana- who left the group briefly just to check on Hoshiko, and this was before the crash. Hoshiko hasn't told us of such an event.
Taylor- who was also alone in his room."

Nina looks down and mutters:

"And... me."
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"Hmm..." Honda muttered. "I've been thinking about something. We still do not know if Lady Siri was killed before or after the crash, do we not? Is it possible that someone pinned Lady Siri in the storage car, then sabotaged one of the struts so the container would fall during the crash to disguise her time of death? If the killer knew the crash was happening in advance, this could possibly give them enough time to set all of this up and rejoin the rest of us, therefore giving them an alibi?"
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Nina gave Honda a look and continued.

"If Kyoya is innocent, then she died after the crash. That was when he heard the thud after all. The struts were strong enough to support the large container for a bit, but not for long. With or without the crush, that thing was toast, the killer didn't need to know about the crash."

She waves it away.

"Let's narrow down my suspect list. Hoshiko, Nana, Taylor, myself. If there's any way we can prove the innocence of any of these, then speak up now."
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"Hoshiko was apparently sleeping like a brick, so I think it's a little easy to rule her out. An explanation for her not seeing her sister was that she was indeed asleep. ...Though I suppose I cannot reject the possibility that Nana used that time to go to the storage room", Evelyn said begrudgingly. "There's very little point to or from Taylor, so I have little to say on that. And, well." She gave a pointed glance towards Nina. "I suppose I'm not sure if we can exclude you yet, Nina. The fact that you were on the roof is indeed quite suspect... but as Elijah said, it wouldn't be a good plan to deliberately not give yourself an alibi like that. Unless you knew we would jump to that conclusion, but quite frankly that little bit of circular reasoning is a bit absurd to me, so..." She paused. "I suppose that would mean my primary suspects are either Nana or Taylor currently."
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"Mr. Adam. I do believe this is the first time we've properly met, and though I wish it weren't under such strenuous circumstances, I must ask you a question."

Anderson gestured toward Taylor. "Are you able to, in any way, confirm that Mr. Fournier was in his room before the crash? I understand if you cannot; after all, you were rather... busy with other things."
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"Taylor would not do this." Honda replied, rather quickly. "So that leaves us with Lady Hoshiko, Nana, and yourself, Nina."
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"Mr. Adam. I do believe this is the first time we've properly met, and though I wish it weren't under such strenuous circumstances, I must ask you a question."

Anderson gestured toward Taylor. "Are you able to, in any way, confirm that Mr. Fournier was in his room before the crash? I understand if you cannot; after all, you were rather... busy with other things."

"Any data I would have collected during this event has been lost to me," Adam says plainly. "Ever since Eve has boarded the train, she was hacking my systems. I apologize for not being able to answer your question."
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"Mr. Adam. I do believe this is the first time we've properly met, and though I wish it weren't under such strenuous circumstances, I must ask you a question."

Anderson gestured toward Taylor. "Are you able to, in any way, confirm that Mr. Fournier was in his room before the crash? I understand if you cannot; after all, you were rather... busy with other things."

"Any data I would have collected during this event has been lost to me," Adam says plainly. "Ever since Eve has boarded the train, she was hacking my systems. I apologize for not being able to answer your question."

The teacher sighed. "Regrettable, but understandable."
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"Taylor would not do this." Honda replied, rather quickly. "So that leaves us with Lady Hoshiko, Nana, and yourself, Nina."


"Why?"
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"Taylor would not do this." Honda replied, rather quickly. "So that leaves us with Lady Hoshiko, Nana, and yourself, Nina."


"Why?"

"Ngh... Fine. I do not like to admit it, but it is indeed possible that Taylor could have killed Lady Siri. However I personally do not believe he did."
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"Taylor would not do this." Honda replied, rather quickly. "So that leaves us with Lady Hoshiko, Nana, and yourself, Nina."


"Why?"

"Ngh... Fine. I do not like to admit it, but it is indeed possible that Taylor could have killed Lady Siri. However I personally do not believe he did."

"Thats fine. Honda I don't think we should accuse anyone cause we think they did it, but for the sake of proving they without a doubt couldn't." Vic smiled.
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"Taylor would not do this." Honda replied, rather quickly. "So that leaves us with Lady Hoshiko, Nana, and yourself, Nina."


"Why?"

"Ngh... Fine. I do not like to admit it, but it is indeed possible that Taylor could have killed Lady Siri. However I personally do not believe he did."


"Hey! Screw that! I'll tell ya why, Nina! I've been livin' with him for a good while! ...E-Err, more like, a couple days, but...Hell! A guy like me can tell when a person is good at heart! Little T wouldn't do something like this! Swordsman's honor!"
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Taylor sighed, looking around at the others, having kept quiet for the most part, deep in thought. Upon heading Honda and Nicos defend him, he looked over and gave the minstrel and swordsman a faint, genuine smile. "I don't think many people think the same way, but, uh..." Cue the awkward cough. "Thanks, you two. I, uh, I mean it."

He then cleared his throat, turning his attention back to the other Ultimates as a whole. "There's not much that I can say in my defense other than I was thinking about my talent, but like I said, nothing came to my mind," he stated with a shrug. "No one can confirm I was in my room, so other than me swearing on my word... yeah. I get the suspicion, but it wasn't me. That's all I can really say on the matter, as much as I want to prove it."

"And actually, there is one thing I'm wondering. If Siri's body -- or, if she was still alive, Siri herself -- really moved through the vents, it would've made a lot of noise, right? Well, Honda was playing his violin, and Kyoya and Vic were having a toast-off or some shit... maybe that accidentally masked the noise that would've been made?"
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"Well, I think Siri was definitely still alive, and it makes sense that she entered the storage room herself. And I still think Hoshi and I are on the right track...Siri could have set the 'timed box trap' thing herself, and then something went wrong when the real killer showed up..!"

Nicos rubbed his temples.

"I-I didn't really get a good look at how the room was formatted, though...can't remember where the struts were in regards to the door, or where Siri's body ended up..."
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Nina puts a hand to her chin for a bit.

“It’s possible, she didn’t seem the most sure-footed, and could have fallen under a light container followed by a large one. Add her to your suspects list if you want... however, some things don’t make sense. If she accidentally killed herself, but wanted to put someone else in the trap, then the would-be victim would have entered the room and saw her dead. Or if they decided not to go to storage, then why keep quiet? They could have told us they found the corpse, or that Siri tried to bait them into the room, and they wouldn’t lose anything.

If it was goin’ to be suicide from the beginning, then why not throw herself off the train, or just use a noose? Both are more effective.”
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Evelyn nodded. “I do not think this was an accident, nor do I believe this to have been a suicide. It seems absurd for that to be the case, as Nina has stated. This was clearly deliberated by someone else to me.”
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"Evelyn do you remember anything about the corpse's head?"
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"The corpse's head? I wasn't able to notice any peculiarities about it", Evelyn responded. "But due to the SC- that is to say, the storage container which had crushed it, it's not like I would have been able to notice anything strange about it even if there was something there."
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Due to suddenly receiving new confirmations via Discord, Nina decided to update her WIP theory.

"Siri stuffs pillows in her bed and climbs the shaft to the storage room. The killer arrives in the storage room, as promised. Maybe the killer came intending to kill her, maybe Siri intended to kill them. One of them had a bludgeon no matter. They fight, Siri gets knocked out. The killer sets Siri's unconscious body beneath the big SC and removes the middle strut so it will eventually break and crush her. They also push a smaller SC on her leg so she can't wriggle free if she wakes up. They could't lift it down, only push it off. That's why her leg got bruised. They go back to wherever, securing their alibi. Then the crash happens, immediately breaking the remaining struts and killing Siri. During Kyoya's investigation, one of the smaller SCs falls, maybe due to the kitchen crowd being loud and makin' a SC tip over."

Nina looks up.

"Shakiest part of my theory is the smaller SC just coincidentally fallin' to alert Kyoya. If anyone's got any other ideas, then feel free."

She pauses for a few seconds.

"And I guess if the killer set the trap to set an alibi for themselves, it would be strange to be Taylor and Hoshiko. They didn't have alibis, so why set a trap just to make an alibi? Which means... it could only be me or Nana... unless the killer was devious enough to give themselves no alibi playing mind games with how we would unravel things."
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"'During Kyoya's investigation, one of the smaller SCs falls, maybe due to the kitchen crowd being loud and makin' a SC tip over.'" Adam quoted with unnerving accuracy. "The rest of your theory appears to hold weight, but, this part seems flimsy.

"I calculate with 87% accuracy that a smaller container falling would not have made quite the same impact as Kyoya, outside the carriage and listening through a microphone, would have heard. Thank you."
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Nina closed her eyes and slowly spoke.

"But the only things in that room were containers. All big containers were in place besides the one. Which means the only thing that Kyoya could have heard, was the big one fallin' on Siri."

She opened her eyes.

"Which means, the middle strut was still in place durin' the crash, as otherwise, the big SC would have fallen then. The killer could still have gone out earlier to knock her out and pin her down with the small container. But then they'd have made two trips, the second one just to remove the strut. It really doesn't make sense unless... they somehow knew the crash was goin' to happen."

Nina looked around at the rest of the class.

"Is it possible? The killer must have known about the killin' game beforehand, could they have also known about the crash?"
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