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"Maybe the killer actually found Roxie standing over Deirdre's body in the library, and then when they attacked her they both fell into the glitch wall. The killer wouldn't have known the wall was there, so they could have easily stumbled into it. Then maybe the knife fell on the floor and left the bloodstains that way, and I guess the killer finished the job in the foyer."
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"Maybe the killer actually found Roxie standing over Deirdre's body in the library, and then when they attacked her they both fell into the glitch wall. The killer wouldn't have known the wall was there, so they could have easily stumbled into it. Then maybe the knife fell on the floor and left the bloodstains that way, and I guess the killer finished the job in the foyer."

"Mm... I-I don't know..." Tsubasa frowned. "T-the glitch doesn't work if you just t-touch the wall... y-you have to do it a c-certain way... I-I doubt the killer could just f-fall through by accident... t-they'd have to know how to d-do it..."
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"If what Jenny said is true... Then it would make sense, so the killer brought the knife upstairs to put it where it would later be found during the investigation." Great Dragon said as he think about this. Then Tsubasa points out how the wall have to be touched in a certain wall for the teleportation to work...

"What if Roxie accidently hits the wall in this certain way while she was struggling with her killer?" Great Dragon asked.
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"Well, they could tell by the letter in the library how to do it at least", Max pointed out. "But Ion't think they'd have time to do that if they were gettin' into a fight with Roxie at the time."
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"Do you all think Deirdre herself went out of her way to find the glitch? Or did she find it by accident? If the latter is true, then it's possible the killer did not actually know about it."
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"I think you could still trigger it accidentally," Jenny said, trying to imply that I think WC said it could be triggered accidentally at some point. "Since the letter was left by Deirdre in plain site, I don't think the killer ever read it."
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"If what Jenny said is true... Then it would make sense, so the killer brought the knife upstairs to put it where it would later be found during the investigation." Great Dragon said as he think about this. Then Tsubasa points out how the wall have to be touched in a certain wall for the teleportation to work...

"What if Roxie accidently hits the wall in this certain way while she was struggling with her killer?" Great Dragon asked.


"Actually, she knew how to teleport, so maybe she coulda done that to try and escape from her killer... Thing is though, like Loki said:"

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So, each individual contestant is an entity, and items are objects. The wall, being a bugged-out mess, can potentially read multiple entities and an object as one cohesive unit. The wall will then warp this unit to the foyer because it does not know what to do with it.


"So if she and her killer were sturgglin' together, they'd be teleported together... And then Roxie'd get strangled anyway", Max concluded. "It could happen, I think!"
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"Okay, but, how did nobody notice Roxie getting strangled in the foyer?"
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"Luke's right." Great Dragon nods his head. "Myrion was in the living room, so he'd have a clear view of the foyer... But, he didn't see the struggle between Roxie and her killer. Why is that?"
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"Okay, but, how did nobody notice Roxie getting strangled in the foyer?"


"Think it was 'cuz she couldn't make any noise due to bein' strangled an' all... bad luck nobody was there, I s'pose", Max said, shrugging. "Though Myrion was there in the living room at the time, right? Weird he didn't notice anythin' at all... There was a partition in his way, but he shoulda heard somethin'. Especially if he's claimin' to have heard the library scuffle..."
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"For what it's worth, if you check the map, there's a wall in the living room that would just block off Roxie and her attacker from his line of sight," Jenny replied, "It's a little strange that he didn't even hear a thump or a scuffle though, even if Roxie had died before they warped."

She took a swig from a steaming mug of hot cocoa.

"Unless, of course, Myrion did it!" she shouted.
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"Well, I don't think he did it did it, y'know?" Max said. "Even if this world's virtual, he's not allowed to murder n' all, right? I don't think he coulda strangled Roxie at all intentionally..."
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"Tsubasa didn't make any noise when she warped, so I don't think it's that unreasonable no one noticed," Adel shrugged. "The important thing is Rocky was probably strangled through the wall, right?"

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Planetbox wrote:
"For what it's worth, if you check the map, there's a wall in the living room that would just block off Roxie and her attacker from his line of sight," Jenny replied, "It's a little strange that he didn't even hear a thump or a scuffle though, even if Roxie had died before they warped."

She took a swig from a steaming mug of hot cocoa.

"Unless, of course, Myrion did it!" she shouted.


"Always.... at least one of you always accuses me. Do you seriously like, not trust me or something? I think strangling someone like that is kind of a direct way of killing, don't you agree?"

"And I was just looking at the statues, I really didn't notice anything."
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"Well, I don't think there's any reason for Myrion to lie here", Max concluded. "He could be lying to help the killer, but Ion't think that's likely. So that'd mean that either the scuffle in the foyer happened soundlessly, or Roxie got killed in the library and then got moved. With what we know so far, I think the latter makes 'nuff sense. After stranglin' her, the killer mighta found out 'bout the wall from the letter in the corner and used it to teleport Roxie. The knife coulda probably been teleported with 'em, and then they decided to dispose of it. That add up?"
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"Tsubasa didn't make any noise when she warped, so I don't think it's that unreasonable no one noticed," Adel shrugged. "The important thing is Rocky was probably strangled through the wall, right?"

"I-I don't think so... W-when I touched the wall... I-I warped, like, i-instantly..."
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Loki chuckled. "Interesting theory, Max..."
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Great Dragon seems to think about what Max said and nods his head.

"Of course, the killer couldn't move the knife right away as at 9:10, Great Dragon already left the bar. Meaning that the killer probably was hiding to avoid being seen with the bloody knife. So, the killer waited until Great Dragon went up the stairs at 9:13. Afterwards, they went up the stairs at 9:17, where Max heard them uses the stairs. Once they reached the second floor, they probably went to put the bloody knife by the base of Statue of the Dead... And after they did that...." Great Dragon ponders over this information before his eyes widen in shock. "Wait a second..."
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"Always.... at least one of you always accuses me. Do you seriously like, not trust me or something? I think strangling someone like that is kind of a direct way of killing, don't you agree?"


"Look, pal, I don't know what you expected. You literally came out the gate bragging about how impossible it is for to kill anyone," Jenny said, exasperated. "I mean, I tried that shit when I stole the teacher's peanut butter cookies in kindergarten. But even though I told them I was allergic, they still found out I ate them...mostly because I was covered in rashes, but you get the idea."

"Anyway, what were we talking about again?" Jenny asked, "The goofy wall thing? I guess the idea is that after Roxie was strangled the killer accidentally went through too? Cause otherwise I don't see how this is any different from what I already suggested forever ago."
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Great Dragon seems to think about what Max said and nods his head.

"Of course, the killer couldn't move the knife right away as at 9:10, Great Dragon already left the bar. Meaning that the killer probably was hiding to avoid being seen with the bloody knife. So, the killer waited until Great Dragon went up the stairs at 9:13. Afterwards, they went up the stairs at 9:17, where Max heard them uses the stairs. Once they reached the second floor, they probably went to put the bloody knife by the base of Statue of the Dead... And after they did that...." Great Dragon ponders over this information before his eyes widen in shock. "Wait a second..."


"...Is somethin' the matter, G.D?" Max asked, a bit concerned by this sudden epic cliffhanger. "Y'seem like you just realised somethin' here..."
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"Remember how Woody went back up to his room after the sauce was spilled onto his shirt?" Great Dragon began explaining. "From 8:53 until 9:20, Woody was in his room the entire time. No one have seen him at all... Other than when we met up at 8:20... What if he wasn't daydreaming like he claimed he was? He's the only one who saw an upset Roxie with a letter in her hand while heading up to his room... Although, that'd be a little too obvious, don't you think?"

"Let's think back to when Max heard the footsteps on the stairs at 9:17. This means that it could have been Max as he could easily lie about hearing the footsteps on the stairs. After killing Roxie, he could wait until Great Dragon was up on the second floor so he could put the knife in place by the base of the Statue of the Dead.... However, Great Dragon doubt that Max would have enough time to make it back down the stairs and to the kitchen to taste the tomato sauce that was cooking on the stove... Not to mention that the vending machine was damaged by someone... Max said that he damaged the vending machine around 9:13 after he entered the bar, right? Sure, we can argue that the vending machine was damaged earlier than that..."

He looks in the direction of Ace and Loki. "However... The only witness who would see Max damage the vending machine is Cups, the robot bartender... Great Dragon doubts that Cups will be able to testify on this matter, because well.... you know. Last time we saw Cups was during the investigation and he was in standby mode... And Great Dragon is sure we'll be told that Cups won't testify." The wrestler looks in their direction for confirmation.

The he looks back at the rest of the group. "Regardless of that... Woody was the only one who saw Roxie with the letter. And after he was in his room, he could easily leave his room and go check on Roxie and... you know the rest. But... Great Dragon didn't want to believe that Woody would have done it...."

"Great Dragon thinks it would be best to hold off on the voting until we can be sure..." The wrestler adds on.
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"Yeah, Cups wouldn't be allowed testify even he had nothing valuable to say."
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"What...?" Woody mutters in response. "I wouldn't have shared anything about Roxie and the letter if I was the killer...And when I saw her, we were going in opposite directions. I was going up the stairs while she was going down, and Myrion can confirm that I went up."
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"W-well... I-I mean... y-you could have always gone back down, I g-guess...?" Tsubasa scratched the side of her face. "Um, n-not that I'm saying you're l-lying or anything, b-but... i-is there anything else that can prove it's n-not you...?"
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"So I went up the stairs and then...just came back downstairs, several minutes after passing by Roxie, just because?" Woody raises an eyebrow. "Prove it's not me? Shouldn't you be looking for actual proof that it is me? There were several other people who've been unaccounted for almost the whole day..."
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"T-that's why I'm trying to f-find ways to, uh, d-discount people... w-we haven't found any p-proof pointing to one person..."
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"Um, a-actually..." Tsubasa added after an uncomfortable silence, "G-Great Dragon...? I was t-thinking over the alibis again, and... I, uh, n-noticed something a little s-strange... um, y-you said you were in the g-game room, then heard shouting and t-thought it was coming from the kitchen... b-but it was in the library, r-right...? T-that's, like... the k-kitchen and library are in opposite directions... f-from the game room, I mean... um, i-is there some reason you thought the s-shouting was from the kitchen...?"
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"Well... The shouting came from the general area, so Great Dragon decided to check the kitchen first." The wrestler replied to Tsubasa.
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"Yeah, I couldn't tell where the commotion was comin' from either so I'm not surprised the others had the same problem", Max commented. "Anyway, we should be lookin' for some stuff that clears everyone who wasn't accounted for from 9:07 to 9:17, I think. I think we can eliminate G.D somewhat safely since he found my hat and smelled the ketchup and even saw Cups there low-powered. We can eliminate Myrion too since he literally couldn't do it. Now that just leaves Ryleigh, Nature-boy an'... well, me! Outta the three of us, Ryleigh had the least time to pull it all off, though she coulda heard the commotion from the kitchen. Ion't think it's likely that she coulda went in, found Roxie, strangled her and then went and thrown the knife away just in time to come back to the dinin' room to hear me scream."

"And speakin' of me, I know I look kinda suspicious here", he admitted, tipping down his hat. "I had the most time to do it all and I was just missin' for most of the day. I coulda even lied about the footsteps on the stairs! Thing is though, I'd been in the bar at 9:13, and that broken vendin' machine is my proof there. Sure, I coulda done it earlier to set up my alibi, but remember that our killerino probably was caught off-guard by Deedee's death even happenin'! If that were the case, then there'd be no reason for me to have done it otherwise before 9:13. And after 9:13, well... there ain't much time for me to have thought of doin' all that, right? Especially since I had to be in the kitchen by 9:20 since I was heard by Ryleigh at that time... so I think y'all can trust me here when I say I didn't do it", he said, with a bit of a relieved smile.

"So of course, in that case it'd leave poor Nature-boy as our killer here... Obviously, he saw Roxie for a bit but then passed by Myrion afterwards, so he definitely went upstairs. I'd even believe if he went up to his room n' changed! That said, I can't quite believe he stayed there the whole time till 9:20. He definitely coulda just gone down after changin'. Maybe he was suspicious about Roxie n' her letter, or maybe he was goin' back to the kitchen to help cook! But either way, he woulda heard some commotion comin' from somewhere, and have gone to check it out. All it'd take for him after that would be to stumble into the library and take a look at the scene there and then..." He shook his head. "The main problem with this theory's that he wouldn't have any reason to even tell us about the letter in the first place, but even then everythin' lines up awfully well if you believe that he just went down after changin' instead of daydreamin'. His encounter with Dragon-man's good timin' as well, and I think out of us all he's got a good deal of opportunity... So unless I'm overlookin' something with G.D or Ryleigh here, he seems to be the only plausible suspect in the bunch", he concluded.
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"W-well, um... I-I don't know if I'd say 'only', b-but... h-he does seem the most likely... w-when you put it like that..."
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"Wait, I'm the most likely?! But I swear I was in my room, I wouldn't just come back down for no reason. And how come you can cross off Myrion so easily? I don't want to believe it's him, either, but still...We can't prove his programming thing is real." Woody frowns.
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"I-it wouldn't have been for no reason... M-Max already explained why..." Tsubasa countered. "B-but we're not getting anywhere n-now... U-umm, maybe there's some e-evidence we overlooked...? C-Cups, maybe...? W-why was he in standby mode...?"
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"Because he's a shitfaced slacker," Jenny explained.

"Though actually yeah, that's a little strange. At first I thought he was deactivated so that he couldn't prove Max was there, but he was on stand-by before the murders even happened. Maybe the killer had some business in the bar? But he wouldn't have been allowed to testify, so I don't see why it matters anyway."

"Maybe the killer took something from him? Like his cleaning cloth or his robo-spleen? But we didn't find anything like that."
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"He was on low power, right? He was probably chargin' up or something", Max stated. "If he was used somehow, I think there'd be somethin' pointin' to that. Ion't think it's really relevant to anythin' here, I'm afraid."
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Max stayed silent for a bit before speaking up. "Fellas, I think we're nearin' the end at this point. Iunno if there's anythin' else to discuss here. Everythin' seems to line up 's far 's I can see here, 'n Nature-boy's not exactly helpin' his case here. I've already listed why he'd wanna go down, and Ion't think throwin' suspicion onto Myrion of all people's is gonna do him any favours. Nothin' seems to be pointin' to anyone else here for reasons I've already explained, and as far as I can tell it doesn't seem likely that'll change, no matter how a look at things. Trust me, I've tried for a while now, but it seems t'be still comin' back to him."

He shook his head, looking away with a somewhat mournful expression. "Though I'll admit, I didn't want it to come to this at all... This all probably wouldn't hafta've happened but Deedee..." He shook his head. "If she were here, she'd probably want us to throw this trial like Luke told us earlier... That said, I don't think I can bring myself to do it. We've lost enough unnecessarily today already, and we'd just be losin' someone else if we went for it... I can't just do that to y'all like that."

He sighed. "Sorry for what I'm about t'do, Deirdre..."

He turned back to the others and looked up.

"WOODY!"
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"...U-Uhh, I don't wanna ruin that really nice moment, Max, but are we really sure it's Woody..? We can't change our votes, right..?"
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"I disagree!" Luke yells out, slamming his hands on the table. "You can't just vote like that! It has to be Myrion!" He responds.

"There's no way he didn't hear the killer strangling Roxie in the foyer. That just isn't possible! Furthermore, he had a perfect reason to throw the knife where he did. If the knife was on the main level, we'd know the killer was also there. But if he put it in the upper level, we'd think it'd be either Dragon-man or Woody. And it's fuckin' working!"

"Then, all he had to do was get back to the living room and he'd have a mostly perfect alibi. How about that then?!"
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Loki groaned. "Oh, bother. Myrion can't kill -- it's against his programming. If you don't want to believe him, you could always... ask him to prove it."
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"Ask him how..?"
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"Um... n-no thanks..." Tsubasa fidgeted awkwardly.
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