Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Epilogue : Berry Big Circus

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:21 am

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"I realise technically speaking we've already shown Julia's murder is possible, and therefore we don't need to focus on it anymore, but I'd rather clear up what happened before we move on. It sounds as though people's accounts of their deaths can be even more unreliable than master Albrecht's was, so there's no help there. Friedrich's blue truths are a good place to start, I don't have anything to add there. Though I am still curious about the knife that seemed to have been stabbed into her."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:39 pm

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“Say what you want about my show,” Fritz muttered, “At least I never used the same solution twice.”

“Anyway, I guess we’ve still got more to figure out here. Let’s start with what Ingrid saw when she opened the wine cellar. The blood Ingrid saw on Julia was actually wine. Or maybe Julia deliberately faked her death before Ingrid entered the wine cellar. Another option is that the corpse Ingrid found in the wine cellar was made of some synthetic material. Last but not least, everyone in the wine cellar was on drugs.”

“It was just a prank, bro. Julia got upset that nobody was getting along at dinner and wanted people to remember they’re family and love each other. You should know better than anyone how good props, makeup, and the right amount of cow organs can help.” Gideon already knew people wouldn’t be happy with this solution, but he seemed to be enjoying himself all the same. “Don’t be mad at her, it wasn’t her idea—obviously the one who arranged it was planning to kill her and Harley from the start. Harley only agreed because his wife and kids weren’t there and he wanted to give everyone else a scare after the card incident.

“I gotta say Doctor, the killer just needed those two indisposed for a bit and was expecting the evisceration to be found to be fake immediately. Your incompetence made this mystery lightning in a bottle that won’t be repeated.” He bowed his head slightly in thanks. “And yet everybody is going to be mad at me for this coincidence. Life really is unfair, isn’t it...”

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:46 pm

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"Happy to help," Verrier responded with enough sarcasm to drown a horse. "You're saying Harley was in a similar position, though? He was dead before Friedrich broke the window and 'opened' the 'closed room', was he not?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:50 pm

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“Of course, it would be pretty lame if all the solutions were exactly the same. That red truth is still valid. Maybe that’s the impossible crime?”

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm

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"What about the demon's theory?" Verrier asked. "I think I see it now, even if her theory isn't spot on. The killer told Harley about the 'pretend you've been murdered' plan, but then secretly cut the car's brakes. Harley got in the car, locked the door and set himself up to look as though he'd been eviscerated. He ended up crashing, and somehow the crash is what killed him, whether because it drove a knife into him, or simply by the impact itself. I imagine this is what I discovered in the story before the dramatic cliffhanger?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:04 pm

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“I think what you discovered was ‘oh shit he hasn’t been eviscerated at all’! The crash has nothing to do with Harley’s death.”

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:17 pm

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"It was quite a minor crash... I suppose that also rules out him being knocked out by the impact. So what was it then? Harley died to poison, perhaps, or he died from cold exposure. Maybe he suffocated due to being in a sealed space. Something like that?" Verrier suggested.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:24 pm

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“Harley would’ve woken up from the cold. He did not suffocate, and the poison in Gideon’s bedroom requires direct contact either orally or through a cut. And nobody brought any additional poison to the island.”

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:04 pm

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"Out of curiosity, Gideon, what do you qualify as a 'perfect closed room?'" Fritz asked.

"And here's another theory: Harley conveniently died from latent Brandauer's syndrome right after crashing the car."

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Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:12 pm

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"Knowing Harley's weakness, the killer induced a heart attack in him by scaring him with a ghost."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:13 pm

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"Oh, this one's even better," Fritz said. "One of Harley's family members poisoned him before he arrived at Geistfabel. The poison was very slow-acting, and he finally died while driving the car. We never found the poison bottle because it never reached the island."

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Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:14 pm

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“Harley would’ve woken up from the cold. He did not suffocate, and the poison in Gideon’s bedroom requires direct contact either orally or through a cut. And nobody brought any additional poison to the island.”

"Harley was poisoned during dinner, then." Ingrid answered. "If he didn't, say it in red: Harley was not poisoned during the events of the story."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:16 pm

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"I need to stop taking red truth answers at face value, it seems," Verrier commented. "I was too easily dissuaded even though Gideon technically didn't deny my blue truth that Harley was poisoned."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:27 pm

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"All of you are really committed to this idea, huh? Harley's 'killing blow' occurred while he was in the vehicle from midnight to 4 AM. That covers genetic diseases I would think but to be clear Harley did not die of a disease.

"And to answer your question Fritzy, a perfect closed room is one where the only exits are any mentioned doors or windows. If there's a key, it's the only one. Or maybe it can only be locked from the inside. Either way, there's no 'trick' to the room and it stands on its own."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:33 pm

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"Then repeat it in red: Harley did not die to poison," Verrier said.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:44 pm

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"While in the car Harley was pricked by Curare or a similar contact poison."

Lynde said as he slurped down his red bull and then gave a thumbs up to Edelfäule.
"Only thing this needs is some Jägermeister. You got any?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:46 pm

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"I think you all are on the right track, but here's another possibility," Fritz said, "The killer broke the window of the car and escaped that way. Afterward, the winter storm caused a sheet of ice to freeze over where the window used to be. This sheet of ice was the 'window' I broke."

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Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:54 pm

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"Man, you guys are needy. But there's no need for me to repeat that, Verrier. I already said the poison in Gideon's room could only be ingested or entered via cut." Gideon shook his head, being the coy and annoying bastard he is. "No poison existed in that vehicle when Harley entered. This includes any snacks or drinks Harley might've brought with him. Are you guys gonna jump for the blood and entrails next? Those weren't poisoned either. In fact the killer didn't leave anything to chance with a trap or anything, and directly killed Harley. They stared him down as they did so. Do I need to say anything else? Hmmm let's see if this works--Fritz is a dumbass. Wow, even the gods deem it so!"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:58 pm

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Juna's inquisitive gaze had been locked onto a book for a long, long while by now. But as the flow of the conversation switches once again, she finally shut it.

"I think I have the hang of it," She said, admittedly quite late, "The killer directly fed Harley the poison in the car?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:01 pm

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Juna's inquisitive gaze had been locked onto a book for a long, long while by now. But as the flow of the conversation switches once again, she finally shut it.

"I think I have the hang of it," She said, admittedly quite late, "The killer directly fed Harley the poison in the car?"

"Blue truth, invalid. Based off your theory I don't see how the killer could've left the car and left it locked."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:03 pm

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"None of that really rules out Harley being poisoned during dinner," Verrier pointed out. "The killer could have done it right there, with some sleight of hand, poisoning his food or wine right in front of him. Unless you mean to say the act of being poisoned would itself be a 'killing blow' that had to happen after midnight?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:06 pm

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"Exactly. '''''IF''''' he were poisoned, the 'killing blow' would be the moment he was poisoned. But even if he could be poisoned at dinner, I'd say the killer would be leaving something to chance there, no?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:08 pm

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"That doesn't negate my blue. But let me elaborate, Harley was pricked intentionally by contact poison, or given a poisoned snack through an open window that was then closed by Harley. " The cool proclamation was followed by a loud and long slurp of Red Bull and a wink thrown at Juna.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:10 pm

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"So then, the killer filled the car with a poisonous gas."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:14 pm

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"Actually, I got an even better idea. It's likely something was stuffed into the exhaust pipe. Such a blockage would cause the gas exhaust to go into the car, wouldn't it?" Harley suggested before shaking his head. "But then I'd know there was a blockage if that was the case and so would have removed the blockage..."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:25 pm

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KamiPanda wrote:

"So then, the killer filled the car with a poisonous gas."

"The bottle of poison can only be used in liquid form."

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"Actually, I got an even better idea. It's likely something was stuffed into the exhaust pipe. Such a blockage would cause the gas exhaust to go into the car, wouldn't it?" Harley suggested before shaking his head. "But then I'd know there was a blockage if that was the case and so would have removed the blockage..."

"And yet the Benz was not running when it was found."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:35 pm

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"Don't forget the key to the Benz, Gideon. How'd it ends up on the passenger seat? Unless... I realized that I was poisoned and so put the key there on the passenger seat." Harley suggested. "If I was driving the Benz, it means the key was in the igniter and if I crashed the Benz, the key would still be in the igniter... And yet... the key was found on the passenger seat..."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:36 pm

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“The Benz was not running at any point during the story.”

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:46 pm

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"Alright, so it's starting to sound like that the Benz was moved to where it is, as you said that it wasn't running at any point during the story. And after the Benz was moved into place... The killer tricked me into drinking the poison without realizing that I drank poison before I locked the car from the outside..."

"Actually, how fast does the poison work?" The mechanic asked.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:01 pm

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“Immediately. But that poison was not used on Harley.”

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:24 pm

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"'That' poison, meaning another poison could have been used?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:56 pm

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“I believe I already said in red that nobody brought additional poison to the island.” The coy bastard.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:25 pm

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"Harley had an allergy.
"Harley was poisoned via carbon monoxide poisoning or similar.
"Harley choked to death.
"Harley was bitten by a venomous snake.
"Harley was told to eat a poisonous plant."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:31 pm

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"Harley had no allergies. The Benz was not running. Harley did not choke. There are no venomous creatures on the island, nor are there are any poisonous plants."

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:36 pm

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"Hmmm... Gideon, if you know that I didn't take any kind of pill, you would say it in red, wouldn't you?" Harley asked Gideon.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:47 pm

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"You said the Benz didn't run at all, but what about the other car in the garage?" Ingrid asked.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:51 pm

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"You mean the Audi, Ingrid?" Harley asked before it dawned onto him. "You don't mean... I was poisoned by the gas from the Audi? That the killer used a hose to redirect the gas from the Audi's gas exhaust into the Benz?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:52 pm

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"You said the Benz didn't run at all, but what about the other car in the garage?" Ingrid asked.

"There's another car? I can't recall..."

Everybody groaned and threw tomatoes at Gideon.

"Alright, alright. It is so." He bit his lip, realizing he was running out of mysteries to keep everyone busy.

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:15 pm

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"You're kidding me... The killer used the Audi to gas me to death while I was locked inside the Benz, pretending to be dead... Which means that the actual crime scene was the garage... The killer moved my corpse away from the garage and to where Fritz and Edna would find it?" Harley summarized a bit.

"But... wouldn't I have heard the Audi running and realized what the killer was up to? Why didn't I try to avoid being gassed to death?" He asked, clearly confused by this. "Was it that I have to follow Gideon's rules when it comes to creating a locked room mystery?"

Re: Ghost Fables ~ Dead Thread Chapter 4

Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:21 pm

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“Nah, I think you just took some sleeping pills to look dead. You were really committed to the bit, bro! I’ll give you credit, if you didn’t die it would’ve been hilarious. Though to be honest I guess I still found it funny...”