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Why aren't the three days of a trial used anymore?Topic%20Title
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Well, obviously, in the game, it's resolved in two, but I don't understand why Capcom doesn't spread it out more like they did in Phoenix Wright 1.

Now, before I say anything, I'm going to preface it with this: Yes, I know that the cases that included two trials in PW2 are just as long as the cases with three trials in PW1.

Anyways, It was something I never quite understood. With three days of a trial and four of investigation, everything felt much more fleshed out and easier to follow. With those numbers both reduced by one, it feels like too much is trying to happen in too little time. I still loved Justice for All (I finished it way back in January, though), but I felt it could have been a tiny bit better if they used the full stature of limitations in the later trials like they did in the first game.

That being said, I really just don't understand why they limited it to "two days of trial" instead of the "three days". I mean, obviously they're not going to make the first or second case three days of a trial, but the later cases in the game they can, and yet they opted for two.

Eh, anyway, I just wanted to know what others thought of this. Any thoughts?
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Four days of investigation? When's the fourth? Are you referring to the tiny period after a case is completed? And actually, wasn't case 2-2 the full three court days long? I don't know why they chose to shorten the other cases, though.

I don't think if it has anything to do with cartridge space so I think they just wanted to variate on the three-day structure, since players would expect the 3-day structure. After all...
Spoiler: GS3 spoilerish
Case 3-4 is only one day long, even.


I have to say, the cases flowed quite naturally, so I didn't even really notice that it was only two days in most of them. Well, I noticed but not in a bad way.
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surasshu wrote:
Spoiler: GS3 spoilerish
Case 3-4 is only one day long, even.


Spoiler: GS3 spoilerish too
Well, don't you start off in the trial? And besides, the defendant... you know, kinda kills himself... No defendant, no trial, right?


But, I noticed that too, that the three-day system was never re-mentioned. I guess its importance gave way... to the Psyche-Lock? I mean, the three-day trial thing was one of the most important things of Yomigaeru Gyakuten (along with the three-year close), and then the Psyche-Lock became the most important thing...

Or maybe they changed their policy in the year between the two games? :yogi:
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Considering the facts, I don't see any reason why they would ditch the "initial trial system". It's not like all of a sudden every case has to be closed in two days. That's simply nonsense! And, I don't think they'll be bringing it back any time soon...
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After just finishing up GS3, I felt the last case was longer than any previous case despite having been closed in two days.

Anyone felt that way, and warm too that the PW trilogy was booked well together like Bourne Ultimatum?
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Macbeth wrote:
Considering the facts, I don't see any reason why they would ditch the "initial trial system". It's not like all of a sudden every case has to be closed in two days. That's simply nonsense! And, I don't think they'll be bringing it back any time soon...


Exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. :keiko:

Napishtim wrote:
After just finishing up GS3, I felt the last case was longer than any previous case despite having been closed in two days.


I'm not denying that (as my preface indicated), I'm merely saying that it would be better if it was fleshed out more with three trials as opposed to two.
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Even in AA3, there are no 3-day-trial cases?
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Szabu wrote:
Even in AA3, there are no 3-day-trial cases?


Nope. Unless I'm mistaken.

But I'm nearly positive there isn't.
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It's mostly because they weren't necessary for the story. In the first game, the three-day-trial system was used as a limiter, an in-story barrier both to put pressure on Phoenix and keep the trials from going on endlessly. In the second game, that rush of urgency was loosened, both because Phoenix had become a better lawyer and the story was more about rushing things along than stretching them out, especially in 2-4.


It isn't so much that three-day trials aren't being used, it's that the stories simply wrap up before that limit is reached. It shouldn't really matter, though, since the cases are still pretty long.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
It's mostly because they weren't necessary for the story. In the first game, the three-day-trial system was used as a limiter, an in-story barrier both to put pressure on Phoenix and keep the trials from going on endlessly. In the second game, that rush of urgency was loosened, both because Phoenix had become a better lawyer and the story was more about rushing things along than stretching them out, especially in 2-4.


That actually makes a lot of sense, now that I think about it. I don't know why it didn't occur to me.

Blademaster_Orca wrote:
It isn't so much that three-day trials aren't being used, it's that the stories simply wrap up before that limit is reached. It shouldn't really matter, though, since the cases are still pretty long.


Well, I understand that the limitation still exists, I'm just saying that cases never go to the third day anymore. I just wish the developers had made some cases last longer to indicate how difficult they were for Phoenix. In addition to doing that, it also makes the case more fleshed out, and less cramped. Although, they pulled it off quite nicely in the second game with only two days.

But I don't know, what you said has raised some insight for me. The only exception I can see in the series would be 2-4.

Spoiler: 2-4
Obviously because you had to win Engarde an acquittal in DeKiller's time limit.

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In 2-4, the time limit and sense of urgency made the two-day case work.
2-1 and 2-2 didn't need three days, obviously, due to being shorter and 2-2's slight sense of urgency as well.
However, 2-3 I wish had three days. There was no sense of urgency as nobody close to you was in danger, and I got bored of the case because of looong blocks of time investigating/in court. Separating it into three days would have broken up the monotony, I think.
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