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Was Odoroki supposed to be a prosecutor?Topic%20Title

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Because there's a ton of concept art of him on the prosecutor side without his badge...was this originally intended to be Phoenix Wright 4 with ol' Apollo being the prosecutor?
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There's no mention of something like that in any of the interviews I've read--GS4 was never going to star Phoenix as the attorney again. I think the sketches you're refering to just happen to be facing left, not because he was meant to be on the prosecution side.
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There's no mention of something like that in any of the interviews I've read--GS4 was never going to star Phoenix as the attorney again. I think the sketches you're refering to just happen to be facing left, not because he was meant to be on the prosecution side.

But he doesn't have a badge in those concepts. :eh?:
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AGAIN: My theory is that Apollo will become a prosecutor later on, in say, 5-4 or something.

After all, Phoenix WILL get his job back. How else are they gonna do a cannon tutorial case?
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There's no mention of something like that in any of the interviews I've read--GS4 was never going to star Phoenix as the attorney again. I think the sketches you're refering to just happen to be facing left, not because he was meant to be on the prosecution side.

But he doesn't have a badge in those concepts. :eh?:

He's missing a lot of detail in several of those concepts.

That's why they're concepts.
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He's certainly boring enough to be a prosecutor, by all accounts...
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If Odoroki ever becomes a prosecutor, it'll probably be when they create a third main-character DA in (presumably) GS7. Won't that be epic? [/minor sarcasm]
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It could also imply that they wanted :kyouya: to be the defense attorney you play.

Of course, that would be alot less epic in the long rurn.
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It could also imply that they wanted :kyouya: to be the defense attorney you play.

Of course, that would be alot less epic in the long rurn.

It was kind of odd that they rushed Odoroki's backstory out and that Kyouya is so nice to you, and that Minuki likes Kyouya so much.
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I'll be Happy If Phoenix Will Be Back As A Defense Attorney again
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I don't think Phoenix will ever be a defense attourney again.

There is A LOT of bad memories from that job, and I'm sure he wouldn't want to be reminded. Besides, if there is a next game I hope they put way more focus on the new characters. Whats the point of thinking up a new defense attourney and then trashing him.
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That's what I said.

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I don't think he'll ever be the main character in a Gyakuten Saiban game again, but he will probably be an attorney...

Spoiler: Endgame
As the credits roll, he says he'll retake the defense attorney's qualifying exam, why not? He already passed it once, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. But I doubt he'll be the main character through another game again.
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I highly doubt that Phoenix will never get his badge back.
Spoiler: Last case
As it ends up confimed that Phoenix had been set up. He wouldn't have got his badge back BEFORE then because it couldn't be proven he hadn't had the forge made... or something like that.


I also highly doubt that he will EVER be the main again. However, unless intend to make a massive, complex Case in which Phoenix's the victim (I'd murder capcom if they used something like that for a 2nd case) I don't think he'll ever actually leave the series.

I also don't think that Edgeworth or Maya won't EVER apper. That, to me, would be a little odd.
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I don't think he'll ever be the main character in a Gyakuten Saiban game again, but he will probably be an attorney...

Spoiler: Endgame
As the credits roll, he says he'll retake the defense attorney's qualifying exam, why not? He already passed it once, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. But I doubt he'll be the main character through another game again.


But right after he says that, he laughs it off. I took it completely as a joke. I don't think Phoenix will ever be a lawyer again.

It would be kind of pointless, wouldn't it? Takumi already said he was finished with Phoenix even before GS4, so I can't imagine he'd change his mind and put him back as the lead. But if Phoenix was a lawyer without being the lead, all we'd ever hear is side gossip about cases we don't get to actually play.

I could maybe see Phoenix stepping in as an assistant, if something happened to Minuki. Or maybe even take half a case, if something happened to Odoroki (like in GS3~). Other than that, though, I don't think it would work.
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Phoenix will never completely leave the series. Capcom said that Phoenix MUST BE INCLUDED in GS4-6.
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I thought Capcom just said Phoenix had to be in GS4? Not that there's really any doubt that Phoenix will at least make a cameo in GS5.

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I thought Capcom just said Phoenix had to be in GS4?


They said he had to be in Odoroki's arc.
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What happened if Phoenix WAS the victim in the last case of the series!
The killer shot Phoenix with a pistol (justified self-defense...don't know why yet.), and then Apollo came in, saw everything, and suffered severe brain damage by a bullet. Kyouya was the defendant, and Minuki the defense attorney, and only to find out that...Minuki killed Phoenix!
When she gets the death sentence, the screen turns red, and Welcome to the Black Parade begins by My Chemical Romance.

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AGAIN: My theory is that Apollo will become a prosecutor later on, in say, 5-4 or something.

After all, Phoenix WILL get his job back. How else are they gonna do a cannon tutorial case?


You mean the 1st case in each game will be a tutorial one?
If Phoenix got his job back, that would actually make sense. He could be the one on the sidelines helping out/giving advice, a la Mia in GS1 or Maya.
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AGAIN: My theory is that Apollo will become a prosecutor later on, in say, 5-4 or something.

After all, Phoenix WILL get his job back. How else are they gonna do a cannon tutorial case?


You mean the 1st case in each game will be a tutorial one?
If Phoenix got his job back, that would actually make sense. He could be the one on the sidelines helping out/giving advice, a la Mia in GS1 or Maya.



Not really. Anyone could be a tutorial person. Hell, they can always make a new character that helps Odoroki out, like they did in GS2 with Maggey.

He's not going to be coming back to the defense attourney ring, there would be no point in doing so.
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...Hopefully someday... xD

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Not going to come back. I mean...Now it's OH's time.
Maybay he will do a small comeback in 5th game but that's propably it.
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Not going to come back. I mean...Now it's OH's time.
Maybay he will do a small comeback in 5th game but that's propably it.


I would personally like to play as a defense attorney MAYA. That'd be cool.
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...Hopefully someday... xD

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Defence Attorney Maya...She donsn't know anything of trial things...so...(dead end)

But then again...How this sounds:
Ace Attorney Maya Fey and turnabout juicy burgers!

That has sound in it! ^^
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At this point its still up in the air, while the logical thing would be to continue the plot with Apollo as the main character, they may pull a Metal Gear Solid 2, making you play part of the game as one character and the other part as another.

Fans seem to have a love it/hate it relationship with new main characters. Halo 2 with the Arbiter, MGS2 with Raiden, etc.
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Phoenix WILL get his job back. But I also agree he probably won't be the main character in any more Gyakuten Saiban games.
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Phoenix WILL get his job back.

Are you 100% sure? Interesting...Yeah he will propably only give some advice's to OH.
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Zinle wrote:
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Phoenix WILL get his job back.

Are you 100% sure? Interesting...Yeah he will propably only give some advice's to OH.


If he has other cases he's taking, then yes. I mean, they have to have him doing something, lest he become Mia Fey 2 and show up every time you might possibly be unable to figure something out.
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But wouldn't it just piss you off if you knew Phoenix was taking cases you couldn't be a part of? I think at this point it would suck if Phoenix became a lawyer again. Either he'd hang around Odoroki all the time and not do anything despite being the best defense lawyer around... or he'd be off doing things we wouldn't be able to see, because as an audience we follow Odoroki.

I feel bad for Phoenix, but I'd rather he be Odoroki's cryptic sidekick than Odoroki's mentor.
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I wouldn't feel bad if Phoenix was off doing "stuff" offscreen. He pretty much was already like that in GS4. I just don't think he deserves to be a lawyer again.
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I've gotten attatched to Nick at this point, so it would be annoying for me if Phoenix is shown taking cases and doing stuff we are not spectators to.
If he turns up in GS5 as "cryptic sidekick" wouldn't that be MayaFey2?
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But wouldn't it just piss you off if you knew Phoenix was taking cases you couldn't be a part of? I think at this point it would suck if Phoenix became a lawyer again.


Not personally.
1) It would help with the verisimilitude. There is more than one major case going on at any one time, I'm sure.
2) Phoenix would be continuing back on the destiny that we fought to get him back in Trials & Tribulations
3) I recognize that the series creator (I do not remember his name) feels like he is done with Phoenix. So I accept that we won't be getting any more of him as a major character (I feel his importance in AA4 was part of the 'handing over the torch' - kinda like Star Trek: Generations); even so, this would allow us to see point #2 somewhat in action.
4) It would be possible in one of the games to tie Phoenix's cases with Apollo's - that is, at case 4/5 in AA5 or 6, we're dealing with a serial murderer case and when Phoenix jumps in, it ties together, but it's too late for the trial to switch lawyers. (Let's say he contacts Apollo via cell phone.) That way we'd get a good idea of what his cases have been like without him dominating the game.

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I feel bad for Phoenix, but I'd rather he be Odoroki's cryptic sidekick than Odoroki's mentor.


Bah. Cryptic sidekicks annoy me. That would make him an "always-on Mia Fey". *shudder*

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I just don't think he deserves to be a lawyer again.


Come again? This about 4-1?

Though I just had a random thought... most judges were once lawyers. Seeing "Judge Wright" could be cool.
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Well I definately don't want him to be around as much as Mia was - that's why I said sidekick instead of mentor. I think the role he played in 4-3 was just enough for him to be around, but not so much that he really gave anything away or solved the case for you.

I just think that so many people are complaining already about not being able to play as Phoenix, that having him take cases in game that aren't connected to Odoroki would be frustrating. Not only that, but it means the police have to screw up twice as much (poor Ema, don't lose your job!). And unless Phoenix and Odoroki were taking cases simultaneously (which would be remarkable, given that neither of them work at all more than 4 times a year) it wouldn't make any sense for Odoroki to get hired with Phoenix around.

I think I would rather Phoenix spend his time offscreen without any need for explanation, than have him offscreen taking cases.

(Plus I like his hobohat <3)
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I'm pushing for the 'Judge Wright' idea now. Udgey's gotta be close to retirement age.
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I don't think he can be a judge because of the numerous times it's been stressed (and in fact outright stated by Edgeworth) the methods by which he finds justice and truth (which are to be in court facing a prosecutor).

I don't know that I would be comfortable with the idea of Phoenix singlehandedly making verdicts as it seems to have bene made fairly clear that he's only at his best and sharpest when he has opposition.

I'd rather they just drop him completely to be honest because from what I've heard so far they made a bit of a hash of including him in GS4.
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Come again? This about 4-1?


Yep.

KingMobUK wrote:
I'd rather they just drop him completely to be honest because from what I've heard so far they made a bit of a hash of including him in GS4.


This is fine too:

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Zinle wrote:
Defence Attorney Maya...She donsn't know anything of trial things...so...(dead end)

But then again...How this sounds:
Ace Attorney Maya Fey and turnabout juicy burgers!

That has sound in it! ^^


Will Powers asks Maya if she wants to become a defense attorney in JFA

Maya Fey! Ace Attorney!

Turnabout McDonalds

Turnabout Burger King

Turnabout Wendy's

Why the hell not? KFC!
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This is fine too:

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Yeah, that would work :redd:
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I fully endorse this as well! :gant:

Here's hoping we get to see it, unlike the first time Hobo gets decked.
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And to activate that cut scene, the player has to yell "TAKE THAT!"

Or it could look something like Rose&Camellia.
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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? People get hit in GS4 all the time.

Spoiler:
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