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P/M and E/F... completely missing the point?
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Holy Hell wrote:
Phoenix/Miles and ... who?
Phoenix/Maya (who have an ADORABLE and incredibly strong platonic relationship) and Edgeworth/Franziska (who are siblings).
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I dunno.
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I'd go as far as saying some see romantic possibilities if only those platonic/sibling bonds weren't an issue, but as we all know some prefer to just ignore it all and go for it anyway.....
[There was once a manga series, or three, that actually had a protagonist in love with his own sister.... I wonder if it's a subculture thing.. Like cousins hooking up and all that jazz...]
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But also is true, I do it before play case 4 (Yes, I do not know they are siblings XD). And now, I think they are siblings.
But I can't to look Franny with another love.
For this, I can understand the people put Franziska and Miles together,
Well, about Phoenix and maya, its true, they have an adorable relationship, but this isn't love.
/ 
and 
/ 
relationship are the most adorable and best to all the gameI can support the two but, It's only possible in a UA fic
PD: I can't understand this
/ They can to be the best friends, but no more... ...I hope you can understand me (?)
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Or because they fall into the OMG MAIN GUY + MAIN GIRL = LOVE FOREVER heteronormative fallacy.
Yeah, but what are you gonna do about it? Seriously, shipping's the same thing everywhere. There's incest. There's yaoi/yuri. There's everything. People simply don't care what others think when it comes to shipping their favorite characters. It's as simple as that. Otherwise, you would have so many people jumping back and forth trying to discover which couple they find the most adorable together.
As for me? I ship couples but I do them in the privacy of my mind and not for the world to see. It's such a silly thing (in my opinion) to get fussy over. Why do people debate over this dribble anyway?
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I think TaT will deter E/F support a bit, as she right out calls him her "brother" at least once. In JFA she only said "like a brother", which to some seems to translate as "Totally not incest gaiz lol".
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Of course, that won't stop anyone from doing it. (Me included!)
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Busterella wrote:
In JFA she only said "like a brother", which to some seems to translate as "Totally incest gaiz lol".
Damn straight it does.
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For E/F...I would have to say that I've noticed a lot of these "psuedo-incest" pairs in various anime/manga...I agree w/ axl99, it's a cultural thing. Some cultures are very strict about what is considered incest and some don't bat an eye when cousins marry, etc. These sort of relationships don't bother me (though I can understand why they would bother others). I see Franzy calling Miles her brother as being like the sterotypical dating sim character who calls the protaganist "oniichan"...a familiar nick name of sorts. So I don't really see them as being siblings, but childhood friends who grew up together. So, excluding the "omigaw iz totally incestings!" though process (if it squicks you, than it squicks you *shrug*), you're left with two people who spent a good deal of there young lives together during what was surely an emotionally trying time (Daddy!Manny was probably none too fun). It's obvious that they understand eachother on a deeper level than maybe even they notice. Granted, there is no evidence in game that they are romantically linked presently (really, anyone claming that there is any evidence for any pairing that isn't explicitly stated as cannon such as
/ 
or 
/:chinami: bears the burden of proof imho) but it is obvious they share a deeply emotional bond (JFA airport scene: who else could make Franzy weep like a little girl?), whether or not it could turn into something more is up for grabs. I personally like to think that it could become romantic, and enjoy fanfiction/fanart/doujinshi that explore those possibilities. I don't expect to win any "converts", but I'd like to think that I'm not "missing the point" of PW pairings 
TL;DR: Even us het shippers can put more thought into our pairings than just "OMG HAWT PROSECUTOR SEXXINGS"...It'd be nice to have that recognized
I hope no one takes offence from my post, as none was intended against any other pairings. I am simply sharing why I choose to ship this pairing
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If it helps, you convinced me to ship
/ and / 
instead.
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And I'm not talking against het shipping in general; don't mistake that even for a second. (Diego/Mia, Gumshoe/Maggey, Ron/Desiree what?) I feel that with these two pairs, though... shipping them together completely misdirects the point of their characterization and almost devalues the bonds they DO have.
About the sibling relationship of E/F... honestly, in the third game, the way they interact just hammered it into my head, because it really was completely familial. And yes, you're right, they share a HUGE emotional bond (as Phoenix and Maya do)... but I just feel that it's more valuable when not taken as romantic.
Not to discuss the viability or superiority of any other pairings, mind you. It just stands out with these two couples to me.
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PS: Regardless of my shipping prefs, I have to say that your characterization of Franzy in "Follow the Fool" is one of my favorites
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Well yeah, Draco/Harry makes no sense and is one of my most "huh?" pairings >_>
Two words:
Hate Sex.
(back on topic)
Well, everyone has their own opinion about pairings. I personally can't see those pairings, unless I squint and tilt my head a little. I don't think people should make a fuss about what other people support. Just, don't shove your beliefs down people's throats. They're just not delicious to some people.
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Brandon Strong wrote:
and mia entrusted phoenix with taking care of maya. And unless I misread that scene, and Mia was giving maya as a wife to phoenix, then I dont think that the intent was for them to get caught in a crzy love affair.
Oh god, that made me laugh.
I haven't played GS3 yet, but just based on the first and second games, I just...I don't see it. I mean, yes, I see their love as familial, and just...in their case, it just doesn't seem likely. I mean, we're essentially privy to Phoenix's inner dialogue (or under-his-breath mutterings, whichever they happen to be), and...he never seems to be interested in Maya that way. I don't read Edgeworth and Franziska's relationship that way either (which is sad, because I've found found such ADORABLE fanart of the two of them...kind of makes me wish I could ship them, but alas, that won't be happening).
Like I said, I just don't see it.
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Just, don't shove your beliefs down people's throats. They're just not delicious to some people.
Oh god, so much truth and win.
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Spoiler: At some point during JFA and T&T Credits
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Takita wrote:
Phoenix/Maya and Phoenix/Edgeworth are the most popular pairings involving the main charecter. While some jump to Phoenix/Maya because they think 'NO GAYS!!! If I SUPPORT A GAY COUPLE, I'M GAY.' and others just jump to Phoenix/Edgeworth for no reason but 'LOL, I LIEK MANSEX' these are the worst kind of people.
I know what you mean. I do know some people that think like that and if you happen to like/support a yaoi or yuri pairing, they'll be like what the hell GAYYY!!?! I've been called a fangirl just because I support Phoenix/Edgey, even though I can count the number of yaoi pairings I like on one hand. I personally think that to ship a pairing, it should at least make some sense canon-wise (or at least be plausible, let's just say hate sex doesn't quite cut it for me), so that's why there's really not a lot of non-het pairings I support, considering there's usually not enough facts to support them.
On the other hand, there's those who support pairings for no real reason, like you said. I agree that "I like mansex" really isn't a reason to support a pairing, since they could ship ANY YAOI PAIRING WHATSOEVER with that same reason. So yeah, doesn't make sense to me either. But I wouldn't go as far as to say they're the worst kind of people, cause everyone is entitled to their opinion. They can like mansex or hate sex if they want, I have no problem with that at all, but what bothers me is when they ship a particular pairing, and the only reason they give is "whoo mansecks!!!". It kinda defeats the purpose of shipping a pairing, if you ask me. I like discussing pairings and giving facts and good reasons to support them, so when people support a pairing just for the sake of supporting it, it kinda bugs me. I'm very aware that a lot of people don't agree with my reasons for shipping P/E, but at least I try to base my opinion on something.
So, back on topic, I never understood Phoenix/Maya and Edgeworth/Franziska either. Like I said, I don't like pairings that don't have any facts to support them, so it's even worse when there are facts AGAINST them. For those who said that Edgeworth and Franziska are more like "childhood friends that grew up together" than siblings, I disagree. First of all, there's the age difference. When Edgeworth was taken in by Von Karma, he was 9 and Franziska was 2. So even though Franziska refers to him as her little brother (matter of pride, obviously), as far as she remembers, Edgeworth has always been there. They grew up together, and despite all the rivalry, I think it's obvious she's always seen him as a big brother figure. And the way she acts towards him confirms it.
As for Phoenix and Maya, I think it's pretty much the same problem. When Mia died, Phoenix was kinda given the responsibility to look after Maya. Since he couldn't "protect" Mia, I guess he feels like he has to take care of Maya, especially since Mia was the only family she had left. And if I remember well, I think Mia tells him to take care of Maya for her in the first game. Also, when Pearl calls them a couple, they both protest, and it's not in a "*blushes* stop it you're embarrassing me" way, it's really more like "*sigh* you've got it all wrong".
Spoiler: T&T just in case
So, in conclusion, yes I think that shipping Phoenix/Maya or Edgey/Franziska is missing the point, but if people still like them as couples, it's their right I guess. But if they claim that there's a lot of canon facts to support them, it kinda bothers me still.
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I've realized the pairings I ship are more about pseudo-family bonds than anything else. I guess to me, and because of the way I was brought up, love will always be platonic. I remember when I was younger- 3 or 4 years ago- someone asked me what I wanted as a boyfriend, and I answered, "A best friend". I guess that's what really matters to me, and that's why Phoenix/Maya and Edgeworth/Franziska appeal to me so much.
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Srsly... Being in love is so lovely ^_^
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Wait wait...
Phoenix and Maya are more than BFF, right?
They are BFFaE
Love relationships are really great after such a while of friendship.
Totally knowing the other and trusting him at 199% percent it's like great, like you know?
Srsly, thas why that ship is supported.
That and when Iris hurts phoenix and that WILL happen, guess who will be there for him, yeah maya, and then they will realize how great the other is and get all blushie and stuff and phoenix will ask maya for
And they either end withouth a friend and a lover or they have a happily ever after.
I am a GFXer and Anonymous ^_^
I am A male And not Gay by the way...
Have had problems with that before so just cheking...
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Holy Hell wrote:
Phoenix/Miles and ... who?
Phoenix/Maya (who have an ADORABLE and incredibly strong platonic relationship) and Edgeworth/Franziska (who are siblings).
There not siblings. Franzisaka just wishes they were.
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Quote:
Phoenix and Maya are more than BFF, right?
They are BFFaE
Love relationships are really great after such a while of friendship.
Totally knowing the other and trusting him at 199% percent it's like great, like you know?
Srsly, thas why that ship is supported.
They are BFFaE
Love relationships are really great after such a while of friendship.
Totally knowing the other and trusting him at 199% percent it's like great, like you know?
Srsly, thas why that ship is supported.
*runs up and hi-5's you*
Exactly! Hehe, you've managed to articulate how I feel about PxM
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Tinker wrote:
Franziska/Anyone and Edgeworth/Anyone don't fit the characters. But it's fandom, all pairings can be done.
QFT.
I have to admit, I have nothing against P/M or E/F shippers- people can like whatever the Hell they want so long as they do it well- but I cannot see it. It squicks me.
... and I ship Uchihacest in Naruto fandom.
Seriously dude. What is that? XD
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Proudly shipping Everyone/Anyone since May 5th, 2007.
Who said fandom had to make sense? Isn't the fun of fandom making sense of things the creators didn't consider?
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There is a thread for pairings you like. There is a thread for pairings you don't like. There is a thread to debate pairings you do and do not like. You do not need to create entirely new threads implying that a good portion of the fans are wrong in any of their interpretations on the game.
Stop trying to create shipping drama on this forum.
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