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Given that the intro sequence used in the demo will be the one for the game, the waitress may not be the killer! This is mostly conjecture of course. But the way she was cowering just screams I didn't do it. *please don't hit me.*
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Given that the intro sequence used in the demo will be the one for the game, the waitress may not be the killer! This is mostly conjecture of course. But the way she was cowering just screams I didn't do it. *please don't hit me.*
You bring up an interesting point. Until now, the first case opener has always made it clear who the killer was (less so in GS3, but still)
However, think ABOUT the first case in GS3, and about how cute and charming the true murderer in that case was. I wouldn't write off anyone in GS4 yet.
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That said I could be totally wrong that waitress is chinami v2.0
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My thoughts that she is the killer came from the point that in all GS games so far, only one witness appears in the first case:
And they were all murderers.
Maybe they changed it this time... maybe. Maybe there'll be two witnesses or something. It would be refreshing.
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... Buuuuuut. Reviewing what we know.
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Our primary suspects for GS4-1 are Phoenix, Waitress, Shoe, the Victim, and Garyuu.
Phoenix can be discounted considering he's the defendant, and he's Phoenix. Those two on their own make him not guilty automatically of any villany with the law. Unless Takumi is more daring then I give him credit for.
The Waitress I think has a 50% chance of guilt. However, there is a problem...
I'm no real expert on Male vs Female hands, but my impression is that they are very much big male hands. The waitress looks female, but then again these are sketches and not photograhs, so that may be discounted.
Shoe is obviously the mastermind, but he wouldn't be caught dead doing his own dirty work. Dr. Claw escapes again.
The Victim is an interesting concept, it could've been a suicide, but to my knowledge he wasn't wearing gloves. And if that was the case it'd be cut and dry who killed him. Not to mention we'd have not much of a case.
Garyuu is the other half of the coin. He did mention that he was there that night, and Phoenix deliberatly has Odoroki defend him in place of super lawyer Garyuu... hmm... But then again, he does appear on both the game's cover, and the group art. Tricky tricky tricky.
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I don't know really if an article mentioned that she is a witness in that case...But one thing clearly states that she must be the waitress of the restaurant, where the murder took place.
Borscht is a Russian restaurant, and she's wearing an Ushanka and Siberian-Ruissian like clothes. Makes sense?
And Shoe.... how many have you killed now? You dumb cat
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But wait, what if the victim tripped, crack his head of the table, causing the bottle to fall and hit him in head which causes enough momentum to fall back into his chair. Phoenix then puts the bottle on the table, which is why his prints are on it! And 
was there too!
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As far as the point about it looking like a male holding the bottle in the intro goes, it's a good argument, but I personally doubt that the bottle was the murder weapon.
Phoenix is very clear that he didn't touch the murder weapon, and he's too clever and experienced to be caught out like that. When I read that part of the script, my first thought was that Phoenix was giving Odoroki a subtle clue.
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I'm not sure about GS3, but in the other ones there are two witnesses.
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So unless there's another witness (which is possible, considering there are only 4 cases total...they might have extended the usual first case to make up for it) the possible killers are only Waitress girl or Garyuu.
I want it to be Garyuu!
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So unless there's another witness (which is possible, considering there are only 4 cases total...they might have extended the usual first case to make up for it) the possible killers are only Waitress girl or Garyuu.
I want it to be Garyuu!
It would be interesting to say the least.
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Also, she looks awfully young in that screenshot. I wouldn't be surpised if she wasn't even an adult yet. Hmmm...
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I wouldn't imagine cracking someone in the head with a bottle is "an accident".
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Beside accidental murder is still murder. Grossberg sed it himsmelf. (yes i mispelt it on purpose)
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I'm not sure about GS3, but in the other ones there are two witnesses.
But only one of them is an actual 'witness' in each case.
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1) It's a female
2) That hat is a Russian style
3) She's a waitress
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1) It's a female
2) That hat is a Russian style
3) She's a waitress
As I recall, the early scans (in other words, the ones where her face is blocked out) state that the person works in the same restaurant as Phoenix. That alone pretty much confirms the second and third, since it does look that way, and the most obvious job you can get in a restaurant is either waitress or chef (the latter of which doesn't look to be the case, since she's holding a pot with a tray). It would also make sense if it were a russian-themed restaurant, given her outfit.
As for gender, I think it's pretty safe to say that it's a girl, just from a glance. Wether or not she's actually one, we'll have to wait and see, though until then we can't just keep referring to her as "it".
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Now if only I had the autopsy report to check my theory...
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Now if only I had the autopsy report to check my theory...
I could see something like that happening. That is, if he lost his poker game and was upset. That, or holding the bottle to chug it all down in hopes that it was alcohol only to find it was grape juice so he stormed out to get as wasted as possible only to find the victim dead when he returned.
Normally, I would think the waitress did it just because of the traditional rules...but her expression just does not scream murderer as well as other characters have.
Edit: I just realized the theory I added in made no sense...as chugging a bottle would be awkward in a backhand grip...
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Yes HIDEOUSLY familar
Personally, I thought it was FABULOUSLY familiar.
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Garyuu Kirihito.
Well, I don't know almost anything about Japanese, but I know that "hitokiri" (just swap the two kanji) means killer (of men).
So, I'd say Kirihito could most definitely be killing somebody, sooner or later (maybe not necessarily in case 1).
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My other thought is that Ema chases Odoroki off the scene of Case 2, Odoroki goes to the Courthouse maybe to ask Kirihito for help, and he runs into Kyouya whom steps in, and persuades Ema to allow Odoroki access to the crime scene. (Based on the picture of Ema saying the chased some other people off the scene, and the clip of Kyouya in what looks like a park,) but that's off topic.
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The supposed murder weapon is the juice bottle, but in the crime scene photo the bottle is shown intact on the table. You would think if you hit someone with a glass bottle hard enough to kill them, that the bottle would break.
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The bottom of the bottle is pretty strong...go try it yourself if you want
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The supposed murder weapon is the juice bottle, but in the crime scene photo the bottle is shown intact on the table. You would think if you hit someone with a glass bottle hard enough to kill them, that the bottle would break.
Yeah, someone brought that up on the last forum. The explanation I recall is that either it's a major contradiction for the case, or the bottle is made of a really hard, non-breaking plastic.
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Where exactly?
There are too many topics,and "GS4 - latest infos" topic have 110 pages @_@
Anyway,I still think he was hit with the bottom of the bottle
It was like this-
The victim was sitting,then the real murderer was standing,the victim looked up at him,and the murderer used the bottom of the bottle to hit his forehead.
They will probably use it as a contradiction,but Payne will counter it.
Also,even if the middle of bottle hit the victim,there is always a chance that the bottle will not break(very slim,but most things that occurs in the series are like that)
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