IIRC, Phoenix only escapes death twice. Once by sheer contrivance, and once by cartoon resiliance.

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As someone mentioned before, if Phoenix became a lawyer again, Apollo would be out of a job. Phoenix is practically famous in the world of law, everyone's going to go to him for defence. Who's going to ask poor Apollo to stick up for them when they can ask for the Ace Attorney himself?

Phoenix has matured to a Mia level now. As she looked after him and guided him to success, it's Phoenix's turn to do the same for Apollo. If Phoenix gets a case, it should only be a flashback case, like Mia had in Trials & Tribulations.

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Fuck that, Kristoph deserves a flashback case.

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And then we are shocked to find that Phoenix gets the Mia Treatment and gets X-ed <_<

But I sure hope not >_>

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They won't kill him off. There's enough people pissed because Apollo's not Phoenix. Imagine the outcry if they kill him off.

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True.... >_>
Ah such a nice day for a stroll
I'm sorry but you die now!
Try it and you'll have a massive fan rush destroy the series.
Damn... I'll just kill off apollo then.
WHAT!?

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Not really...is not like he can take 1000 cases at the same time. Or even he could make apollo his parthner so he would take some of the cases...or he could just go work overseas.And then we would have thousands of fans asking for a spin off "Phoenix Wright IN AMERICA" where both Phoenix and Edgeworth would be working.
...Seriously, there are lots of reasons for people to NOT choose phoenix. They may still think he was guilty in that case(just like in Edgeworth's case),they may make Phoenix refuse some cases because he is too busy,there are lots of things that could be done.

Quoted for sheer greatness... and it's Darzie so it goes without saying.

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Alright, let's count all the times again, shall we?

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I think it's safe to say that Phoenix has the most street cred of any Ace Attorney character in the series. =O

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Numbers 4, 5, 8, 14, and 16 (and to a lesser extent 11) can all be explained away by the same cartoon toughness that saved Gumshoe in 2-4.
And what's number 13?

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<3

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Not necessarily. Did you look up 'emulation'?

She emulated what Phoenix did. How, you ask?

One of the biggest reasons Phoenix became a lawyer was to meet Edgeworth. So, why can't Pearl do the same? She was looking for Wright and Co. Law Offices, but only found Trucy there. Pearl kept asking if she knew where Nick was, and Trucy has no clue who this 'Nick' is.

It's plausible.

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Idea: New Minuku Power! Apollo can read other people's internal monologues! I have no idea how it could work game-wise but it's a cool idea.

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Pearls can be a lawyer, but I can't see her as an arrogant (much less evil) prosecutor, she's just too cute.

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Ha, ha. That would be awesome.

MINUKU!
(Damn, this itches. I should get it checked.)
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Here's a few ideas I've exposed over the months, all condensed in case numbers!

GS5-1 - vs. Winston Payne (with new fro and mustache - he's pushing the styling even more, now... you may also add a fro pick for sheer hilarity, too. Have him play with it when he's winning kinda like he does in GS3-4)

State vs. Apollo Justice,

GS5-2 - Turnabout Diplomacy - vs. New Prosecutor (I'd say a woman, somewhat mature, with a provocative look, but a personality that's a mix of Godot's insults and Mia's snarky comments. The insults would be plentiful and piercing. She doesn't have a grudge against Apollo more than she just can't stand him, as an english name, I'd go for Billie Cutlass. Masculine sounding name, and a pun on her sharp wit and feminity with "Cut-Lass", also, a cutlass is a kind of sword.)

State vs. Deuce Twister, translator.

A pish-posh soirée ends tragically once an explosion rocks the place and ambassador Hugues Montaigne's bodyguard, Hugo Mountain, is murdered in a terrorist coup. The only person who knows that he is there is Deuce Twister, the fast-talking translator. The oddity here being that Hugo Mountain and Hugues Montaigne were both extremely large men, and both looked strangely like one another.

Main points:

Investigation first day - You finish with few clues and more questions. Who else could have known so much about the ambassador so they knew the car he was in and where he was, but didn't know that there was one little difference between Hugues Montaigne (the intended target) and Hugo Mountain (the deceased)

Trial second day - Apollo convinces the judge that Deuce Twister did not have the connections nor the know-how to set up the bomb.

Investigation second day - Apollo and Trucy stumble on the secretary's diary, exposing him as a terrorist. They get a moment with the ambassador, and show him this. They formulate a plan to trap him at the court proceedings.

Trial third day - Apollo tries to call the ambassador, but he invokes diplomatic immunity for himself... but his secretary will be glad to answer any question Apollo might have. He has a meeting with the Governor to attend, after all. Secretary fumbles, and with the diary, you can unveil each of his lies, until you reveal that a seemingly unimportant piece of evidence brings all of your conjecture together, as usual.

Victim: Hugo Mountain, ambassador bodyguard.
Accused: Deuce Twister
Guilty: Secretary/staffer
How did he do it: He blew up the car while Hugo Mountain was aboard, wanting to kill the ambassador instead. He was confused because both look like each other.

GS5-3 - Metal Turnabout - vs. New Prosecutor again.

State vs. Axl van Ity, metal star accused of murdering a fan.

What happened is basically this - After receiving a fan letter, Axl van Ity and his group (something really evil sounding, but keep it a T rating) visit the fan. While they're there, the fan is shot in the mouth and dies instantly. The gun is found, and it has Axl's prints on it. Strange, because Axl was wearing gloves that night... How could his prints land on the weapon? And seeing as the family didn't have a weapon... how did it get inside that house?

Main points:

Investigation first day - has enough to innocent Axl, but only from the murder charges, not from the other weapon-related charge.

Trial second day - believed to be a suicide... which still incriminates Axl, however, the prosecution, unable to let the murder angle go, fumbles and forces the judge to allow a second day of investigation instead of ruling for a verdict right now.

Investigation second day - investigates the other possible culprits, Klavier revealing that Michael Paupett has a motive in framing Axl. The rest of the investigation proves that it's Paupett, but they need to convince everyone else that this is the case.

Trial third day - Reveal that it's Axl's bassist, Michael Paupett, who was behind it. Klavier aids Apollo in finding the truth, even though he isn't on that case. Also, the new prosecutor is warming up somewhat to Apollo.

Victim: 15 year old boy.
Accused: Axl van Ity.
Guilty: Michael Paupett
How did he do it: He convinced the kid that life wasn't worth living, and shot him in the mouth to frame Axl. If it was proven that Axl didn't actually kill him, the prints would have convicted him as he would allowed a young kid to kill himself.

GS5-4 - Prideful Turnabout - vs. (secret)

The unthinkable has happened! The police finally caught Shelly de Killer after he killed one of their own (maybe an important character... like someone related to Apollo) and he will be tried for all his crimes! However, he contacts Apollo Justice to defend him... for his latest murder charge, and his latest murder charge ONLY. He will accept the rest of the charges, however, this last murder brings such a black mark to his honor as a "de Killer" that he would rather have Apollo Justice defend him. Apollo isn't sure at first, but after consulting with Klavier, he decides to go for it. He would defend this mass murderer for that last charge, and plead guilty for the rest... as a matter of pride... and as a matter of pride, certain people would rather he doesn't defend this killer... and they will show how much of a mistake that was in court!

Main points:

Investigation day one: Everything looks as though Shelly did it. The card... the M.O.... everything. Except there is something that just doesn't fit in all this, and it's all linked to the witness who claims to have seen Shelly. During this, Trucy accepts to stay behind, maintaining the illusion that Shelly is still in prison while he accompanies Apollo instead. You get to learn just exactly how much of a criminal mastermind is this "Shelly de Killer", and Apollo doubts again his reasons to defend him.

Trial day two: The Judge calls the prosecution to the stand, but they seem late... however, three people step inside the prosecution's bench... Miles Edgeworth, Franziska von Karma and... Phoenix Wright!? All three seem to want to settle the score with Shelly, and show how much of a mistake Apollo did by taking his case. Apollo defends himself well, knowing that Shelly didn't hire him to defend his other crimes, and keeps his bargain with Shelly. At the end of the day, the possibility emerges that Shelly might NOT have killed the victim.

Investigation day two: Everyone is completely flabbergasted by the Prosecutors' office to bring in two out-of-country attorneys (who, granted, had once worked there) and a disbarred and recently rebarred attorney rather than to trust their own. Not knowing how to handle this, Apollo seeks out Klavier, who seems angry that he can't prosecute this case, and lets slip that (New Prosecutor) isn't all happy about it either. Apollo continues his investigations, and they show that someone in the police might be responsible, but he doesn't have a name yet. Apollo asks him for help and he says "If I am at the trial tomorrow... it won't be on the prosecutor's bench."

Trial day three: Every time that Apollo tries to bring up the fact that Shelly did not kill that particular person, Edgeworth objects. The day ends without any further advancement being done, they're still stuck in a rut, because Apollo cannot object without having three people breathing down his neck, not counting the judge.

Investigation day three: Apollo needs to find decisive evidence that Shelly didn't do it or wasn't hired to do it. He eventually finds it, but it won't be any help if he has to shout three times in order to get heard. Klavier has had enough, and will join Apollo on the bench, but who else can help him?

Trial day final: Apollo shows up, and asks that the judge acknowledge that Shelly's defense will be assured by him and Klavier Gavin, and perhaps a third party, but they weren't here yet. At last, Apollo's objections can be heard, but objections fire off everywhere. However, it's clear that the prosecution is winning until a voice is heard from the spectator area. "I can't let this farce of a trial continue." It is (new prosecutor). Now, the final showdown can actually begin. The witness is the murdering policeman, and as Apollo uses the Minuku system onto him, he finds out that it was him who did it. However, Franziska objects because no matter what was said, Shelly's card was still found. (new prosecutor) objects, showing that this policeman recently reopened the 'de Killer' evidence lockers and purloined Shelly's card. Franziska has no more objections. Apollo applies the pressure. Edgeworth objects for motive. Klavier objects and provides Edgeworth with one. Edgeworth has no more objections. Apollo applies the final pressure... but Phoenix objects, bringing forward a fact that had been largely ignored. Apollo objects, showing that it's not relevant. Phoenix objects again, and Apollo's minuku triggers on Phoenix, seeing that Phoenix is bluffing. He calls Phoenix's bluff, and provides the last bit of evidence to win the case.

In the end, Apollo shows that Phoenix isn't ready to be a lawyer again, and that he should concentrate on his talent agency, Franziska and Edgeworth return to where they come from to never come back as this was just a cameo, and (new prosecutor) can now be relegated to Franziska levels GS1-3.

Victim: Important Character (tentative related to Apollo)
Accused: Shelly de Killer
Guilty: Detective who was on the 'de Killer' case, killing important character.

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You have really think this? ^^
Cool plot.

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Thanks.

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Odoroki skewers someone on his hair spikes and is on trial for murder.
...What? I can dream.

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Odoroki is Cutman, after all.

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My idea:

Time Paradox

Apollo is Phoenix.

OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND!?!?!?!

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I'm kidding of course. I would like to see some combination of past villains involved, the Shelly de Killer as the defendant idea was brilliant.

Plus, he's the only actual villain that got away with it. He DID kill someone, yet he was never caught, and most of the blame ended up on Matt Enguarde.

He did still kill somebody.

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It needs at least five cases.

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Personally, I wonder how they're going to handle the tutorial/ first case. We've played first cases for Apollo, Phoenix, and Mia (although, sadly, I can't imagine them putting her in the AJ arc anyway). I figure (and hope!) they bring Phoenix back as a lawyer (although I am not advocating playing as him for any other part of the game. Its Apollo's turn. I love Phoenix, but I think he should take up Mia's role as mentor now) and since it has been seven or eight years since he was last in court, Trucy or Apollo can act as assistant. Probably Trucy would be more likely. She's used to helping Apollo out and it makes sense that she would help her father get back on his feet.
The only other option I can think of seems to make little sense, but might be kind of cool. Kristoph's first case...

For the rest of the game we play as Apollo with Trucy as assistant and Phoenix as mentor.

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Not sure if this has been suggested yet....




Downloadable Cases, via Wifi.

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as much as everyone would love to download cases, that just won't happen. Not sure if the DS has enough memory,but above that capcom wouldn't do that. Why would they release sequels then?

Omake cases that don't affect the main storyline, like, say, at the end of each trilogy (GS3 and GS6, for example).

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That would be perfect! I fully support that idea!

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The idea of Prosecutor Pearl Fey could actually work if the pulled it off right.

1. She shouldn't be evil, of course, just a no nonsense prosecutor. Or as no nonsense as you can get in this series anyway.

2. Her identity as Pearl Fey shouldn't be revealed until the last possible moment. Until then she should be known as Prosecutor P.F. or something like that.

3. She needs a legimate reason for taking the path of a prosecutor, like maybe she became disillusioned with the world after Phoenix lost his badge.

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Attorney Hatman, I like most of your ideas. But don't you think a triple tag match for the finale would be a bit much?

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Prosecutor Pearl Fey? Why do I smell a huge plothole with this idea?

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hmm maybe maya turns to be complety diffrent and pearl like a common teegeaner but i cannot imagine how they will be.

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Surprising as that sounds - yes, I do. As I was writing it (and quite frankly, since I know it'll never happen I'll probably end up writing a fanfic based on the 5-3 and 5-4 ones - I liked those the best, and the interaction between Phoenix and Trucy, considering Trucy would be on Apollo's side on this one, would be awesome), it felt forced, contrived, and too much. However, it has two bonuses which could be interesting. One of them is that is represents legal teams (which haven't been used at all in the PW world). The other, is that it ties up 2-4 (with Shelly's arrest), ties up Phoenix gets back his badge, it ties up Apollo being Phoenix's protégé (in a sense - he still has lot to learn, but after beating Phoenix in court - being the ONLY one who did legitimately would probably make Phoenix lay off the mentoring), and it'd give the fans a hell of a fright. Those who hate the new Phoenix can now put him in his place, and they also get to see two important characters - Edgeworth and Franziska.

Plus, who doesn't want Klavier objecting with Apollo? <3

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