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Croik wrote:
I'm not sure if you can say Ema "matured"... *tosses food at you*
To be honest, I have no interest in seeing Maya again. Pearl all grown up would be really cute, though. But if either of them show up, I hope it's as a random witness--more than just a cameo, but not another Kurain-related case. I'm sick of defending Feys. Their family polotics have been beaten into the ground by now.
To be honest, I have no interest in seeing Maya again. Pearl all grown up would be really cute, though. But if either of them show up, I hope it's as a random witness--more than just a cameo, but not another Kurain-related case. I'm sick of defending Feys. Their family polotics have been beaten into the ground by now.
Same here. Maya's just a pain to defend. And I agree with some people here
Yeah I'm tired of seeing Maya, although a Cameo or a Witness would be nice
Yeah I'd like to see Pearl Teenage. Although she is already cute enough.
I've seen Ema's Sprites from GS4, and I'll be honnest, she's far cuter in PW:AA than in GS4
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I couldnt imagine the amount of people wanting to get involved.
(Maya, Ema, Pearl, Trucy, and um.......Adrian Andrews).
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I looked over the character list in GS4, Maya isn't there anymore... So she is not appearing in GS4 T_T?
Well, seeing that this topic is turning into "I wish q and x would appear in case where y dies and z is the killer", I will give you a simple answer.
Maya is in Kurain Village, supervising the training of the Fey students and doing all other things that a master of Kurain Village and Fey Family household is supposed to do. And as much as I LOVE Maya and all the medium stuff, let's face it, by GS3 it was getting too old and overused. Now it's Odoroki&Co.'s time to shine, and even if it will be hard to get over with, the old cast is not coming back.
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On a side note, I would love to See Apollo and Trucy visit a new Kurain. That is, assuming Kurain has changed somewhat over the years.
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Speaking of the Feys.. I wonder if the Arumajikis will play a similar role...politics and all.
Too lazy... hur hur.
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I agree with the consensus that, "They had their turn, now it's Apollo and his crew's time to shine," but I would like to see them again, or at least have someone (*cough*Nick*cough*) make a brief mention of what they're up to.
I agree with that.
I'd like to see Pearls all grown up too. Teen Pearls might be cute ;)
I'd like to see Maya again in GS5/6 maybe in a cameo or something, not getting kidnapped (again) but as a witness or something.
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Do that and I'm happy with the old cast never comming up again. Except for Edgeworth being the surprise prosicuter in one game, just because he's Edgeworth and Apollo needs an epic foe to battle >:D
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Plenty of people are holding out hope that the oldies-but-goldies show up in GS5/6... and beyond...
I'd rather they didn't, or that if they did, it's for one case that solves their storyline. Kinda like why I want Shelly to return and be caught.
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As for where she is now? Probably back in Kurain, being the Master of the channeling technique. As for whats happened to her, Pearl, and even Iris (because she obviously gets out of jail judging by game 3's ending, and considering she is Pearl's half sister), all of that still needs to be explained, such as whats happened in the time between the end of game 3, and the begining of game 5 (because obviously virtually nothing is known about any of them during that time, other than Pearl and Minuki are friends(right?)) Its not like they are dead either, because what is known is that Phoenix apparently keeps in contact with some of his "old friends" (just who is included in this is unknown...)
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To say that the team will make up each game as they go along is a bit naieve. It may have been like that in the previous games because they were trying something new to a local audience; but now the series is a multi-regional best-seller! The team, who is made up of nearly all the SAME PEOPLE as the previous games wouldn't leave us in the lurch unless there was a reason for it, like a re-appearance. That's my take on it anyway. :)
And some people's stories have been resolved, we know what happened to Meekins and we know whats happened to Gumshoe too. It actually gives him a chance to return, with it's ambiguity! So I'm certain that we'll get some answers in either GS5 or 6, but hopefully it'll be done in a way that doesn't overshadow Polly ^-^
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The problem I have with a lot of peoples opinions is the assumption that 'Since they didn't address what happened to everyone, they must've forgotten about it'. What gave you that impression? :D
To say that the team will make up each game as they go along is a bit naieve. It was like that in the previous games because they were trying something new to a local audience; but now the series is a multi-regional best-seller! The team, who is made up of nearly all the SAME PEOPLE as the previous games wouldn't leave us in the lurch unless there was a reason for it. That's my take on it anyway. :)
To say that the team will make up each game as they go along is a bit naieve. It was like that in the previous games because they were trying something new to a local audience; but now the series is a multi-regional best-seller! The team, who is made up of nearly all the SAME PEOPLE as the previous games wouldn't leave us in the lurch unless there was a reason for it. That's my take on it anyway. :)
Was this post addressed to me?
If it was, I'm not saying they're making up each game as it goes along, I'm just kind of surprised that despite all the loose ends because of the ending of game 3, that virtually none of that was even touched upon in game 4. Its not so much a fact that I feel they forgot about it, its more that I feel they are either intentionally waiting to answer them, or they simply won't answer them because they're just gonna treat that stuff as nothing more than plot points in their respective cases/scenarios. (For example, many people feel that we will never see Iris again, simply because they feel she was nothing more than a mere plot point for case 5. But I honestly hope the opposite is true, and she will somehow come back into the picture by the time game 5 or even game 6 rolls around. Such as after being let out of jail for serving her sentence, she seeks out the whereabouts of Phoenix, finds that hes for the most part disapeered, and then somehow a case involves the two of them, and they are brought back together. It would be a good way of finally letting Phoenix settle down and for the most part have a reason for staying out of the spotlight of the series even for just a little while.)
All I know at this point is I'll more than likely be extremely disapointed with game 4 (basing those assumptions over what I do know about the game), and the only thing that could save game 4 for me would be to address some of my concerns in game 5, tying the entire series closer together than what has shown so far, and answering several questions (both new and old). I have faith in the writing staff that they know what they are doing, but I pray that what simply was left wide open at the end of game 3 (and the lack of any explanations in game 4) was not just used solely as plot points for their respective cases, never to be answered or seen again.
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Personally though, I think I'll really like AJAA because I can see past the old cast and I like the new one, and the cases themselves look really interesting. I don't mind waiting for details on the others, in fact it makes me more intrigued! But again thats just my opinion.
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What could they possibly do in GS5 that would "wrap up" Phoenix's story any more satisfactorily? We already pretty much know that Maya is the head of Kurain, with Pearl at her side. They could show up in GS5, but they've already reconciled with their family, they're still friends with Phoenix...what more needs to be said other than they're still there? If "I want to see them" is your only idea of "closure" that means they'll have to KEEP showing up every game, relevant or not, just to keep people happy. Sounds like stagnation to me.
And I still don't think Iris was ever meant to be a serious romantic interest to Phoenix. She was introduced in the 11th hour and has barely any art depicting her. Look at the picnic scene in the artbook: Diego and Mia are shown together, so are Gumshoe and Maggey... it was obviously drawn after GS3, but there's no Iris. And since GS4 shows that she didn't leave the temple to be with Phoenix, and he didn't leave the city to be with her, I very much doubt we'll ever see her again.
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TheRedPriest wrote:
I'd say maybe "wrap up" is a bit off, ass GS3/AA3 does pretty much tie up everything from game 1-3. I think it's more the events that GS4 says happen to Phoenix after 3 that give the impression of things needed to be wrapped up. That is to say, GS4 itself creates the situation/feeling. The more I learn about 4, the more I'm convinced, if they REALLY wanted to focus on a new cast and a new direction, they should have left Phoenix out of the game entirely. Or at the very least done something VERY different with him. As I've said, I'm not hung up on the old cast that I don't want to see a new one. I'm quite excited to see it. I also would have had no issue with the old cast not comming up at all. But the fact something that major happened to Phoenix, with NO mention what so ever as to what his friends did for him/were doing/are doing for him in relation to it is unacceptable. And I mean more than a very vague passing comment he might still be maybe in contact with one or two of them. I think this can be very easily addressed in 5 with minimal effort and without detracting from Apollo's story. But until this is done, I'm going to have a big problem with Apollo's arc dispite how much I may enjoy it.
You bring up alot of good points that I pretty much agree with all of. (I still think the ending to game 3 left alittle too much open {but I guess they did leave enough room for them to continue this story if needed}, but I guess you're right that that hole only becomes a major issue with the way game 4 is brought about.)
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What bothers me about the whole Phoenix giving up is why he didn't have Edgeworth defend him? Something had to have happened there becuase there is no way that Edgeworth would leave Nick hanging and relying on another person. So what happened between these three is rather important. At least I think so.
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What bothers me about the whole Phoenix giving up is why he didn't have Edgeworth defend him? Something had to have happened there becuase there is no way that Edgeworth would leave Nick hanging and relying on another person. So what happened between these three is rather important. At least I think so.
Defend him when? If you mean during the events before GS4, there was really no way Edgeworth could have (other than moral support, I guess).
Spoiler: 4-4
Unless you mean in 4-1, in which case, we already know (via 3-5) that a prosecutor can't jump behind the Defense's Table just because his friend needs him. Edgeworth might not have even been in the country at that point, and there wasn't time for an elaborate set up like they had done before. Besides, it was essential that Apollo be his lawyer.
Spoiler: 4-1
I would love to see Edgeworth again in the series, but only if there is a very difinitive role for him to take. I'd even want to see him at a point in which Phoenix wasn't around, so that he and Apollo could relate to each other in their own way, separate from Phoenix. Otherwise you just have Apollo sitting on the sidelines, watching a reunion that has nothing to do with him.
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You point out that in 4-4 why Edgeworth couldn't have helped him. Okay yes, that is true, he couldn't have defended him, persay, but I'm rather suprised that Miles wasn't at all invested in this as either support, or outside leagal council for Nick. Not to mention the fact that Klavin probably has been doing defense for a while, so Miles HAD to have at some point in his career come across this man. It just totally floors me that Miles isn't even mentioned in passing. Considering the fact that we're reminded in various cases about how important Miles is to Phoenix as a friend. This was someone who believed he was innocent even when the whole class was against him. It's just a shock to me that no one in the game's developers thought to even hint that Miles has been working in the background to find something to get Nick back on the bar.
What I mean, when I say defend is, the case pre GS4, when Nick was first accused of the crime. Yes he admitted his guilt, and no Edgeworth couldn't just jump and take the place of the defense attorney, but still it strikes me as odd that he wasn't mentioned as even leagel council during that time. Disbarment from the bar means that you would have to have witnesses of character that can defend you on the stand, so why wasn't this mentioned by Nick? It just feels like the writers, from what I'm hearing here, didn't stop to think of the character they had created.
Of course back to Maya, as I said, it would make the most sense to have her come in as a guest and act as council for a case where there was a spirital matter. This could also allow us to look into other character's pasts and have us catch up. They can't just ignore that seven year gap. I wouldn't be at all suprised if in GS5 we learn that Miles had actually planned a lot of things with Phoenix just so they could catch Kristopher. Basically a, how far are you willing to go to catch this guy, sort of sinario is playing around in my head.
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Croik wrote:
I would love to see Edgeworth again in the series, but only if there is a very difinitive role for him to take. I'd even want to see him at a point in which Phoenix wasn't around, so that he and Apollo could relate to each other in their own way, separate from Phoenix. Otherwise you just have Apollo sitting on the sidelines, watching a reunion that has nothing to do with him.
Reminds me of my 18th birthday... I shall stick with my first statement: People and friends move on and change with the times. Even the most loyal and closest of friends part ways. Apollo is being thrown out of the way for people he doesn't even know nor can relate to, save through Phoenix. If a few of the Phoenix arc characters came back for a time--fine, no qualms from me, but at least give them some role of importance, not just a buddy-buddy conversation with the hobo.
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The writers did not forget about him. Edgeworth ranks consistently at the top of all their character polls, is featured in most of the official group art the series has ever produced (before GS4, of course), and has always been a key figure in the games themselves. I find it impossible to believe that while they were planning GS4 the question of "What was Edgeworth doing?" didn't come up. Which means that him not appearing, not even in a tiny mention like Maya did, indicates a very conscious and deliberate decision on the part of the staff not to include him.
We can only speculate as to their reasonings, but one part that is pretty clear (at least, as far as I see it) is that the game didn't have room for Edgeworth. His relationship to Phoenix has such history that you could probably take up an entire game's worth of time just exploring his reaction to Phoenix losing his badge, and taking in a daughter, and pursuing the person responsible, and forging evidence to catch him... Every step of the way, there are dozens of different ways someone could interpret Edgeworth's actions and feelings. And though it sounds strange, in a way I'm glad that they didn't even try, knowing they didn't have the time to do it well.
2 or 3 rushed lines in the middle of the Mason System would not have done their history justice. Any mention of Edgeworth assisting Phoenix in the present, without any indication of how conflicted he must have felt over Phoenix's "new morals" could only serve to flatten and cheapen him. You almost can't put Edgeworth in a case anymore without making him a focus, because he has so many issues, and the last thing GS4 needed was someone else stealing Apollo's thunder. I'd rather he not show up than show up as a shell of himself.
Maybe Edgeworth will show up in GS5 or 6. Maybe then they will have the time to flesh out a bit more about what he's been up to. I don't think I would want them to tackle him unless they had the full resources to do so.
And in the meantime, he's in fandom's domain now.
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So what does this all say to me, simply put that 1) We probably got Nick in there the way he was because the writers weren't sure of HOW to shoe horn him in. 2) They didn't really expect to use anyone from the first games and since they had to put nick in they really didn't know how to include the others without changing massive amounts of dialogue in there. 3) As with DMC, we're going to see 5 and 6 rectifying all the plot holes left in this game, and hopefully they will give Apollo the chance to actually do better second time around.
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Oh I completely understand what you mean by the whole Edgeworth thing. However we're talking about Capcom here, and they are notorius for bungling things. Best example I can think of is Devil May Cry 2. Not only did the new writers NOT ask "what happened to Lady" the main heroine in the first game, but they did a whole 360 on Dante's personality. Much like what happened to Phoenix. And, seeing as a lot of people said that they added Nick in there as an after effect, i.e. Capcom's higher ups said to do so, that leaves me to conclude that -at least from the writers view point -any question of "What Edgeworth is doing?" probably never once crossed their minds. They were trying to focus in on Apollo and his group, and had to some how alter the plot (which it seems to me at like a stage when they couldn't really change much as it was being developed, because if it was still in the idea writing stage then they would have probably added more then the few throw away lines that they did) to fit Nick in.
So what does this all say to me, simply put that 1) We probably got Nick in there the way he was because the writers weren't sure of HOW to shoe horn him in. 2) They didn't really expect to use anyone from the first games and since they had to put nick in they really didn't know how to include the others without changing massive amounts of dialogue in there. 3) As with DMC, we're going to see 5 and 6 rectifying all the plot holes left in this game, and hopefully they will give Apollo the chance to actually do better second time around.
So what does this all say to me, simply put that 1) We probably got Nick in there the way he was because the writers weren't sure of HOW to shoe horn him in. 2) They didn't really expect to use anyone from the first games and since they had to put nick in they really didn't know how to include the others without changing massive amounts of dialogue in there. 3) As with DMC, we're going to see 5 and 6 rectifying all the plot holes left in this game, and hopefully they will give Apollo the chance to actually do better second time around.
I hope to god you're right with the "filling in the plot holes" because so far I'm really bothered by those plot holes (namely the ending to game 3, and then the 7 year gap up til game 4, and then the events of game 4 themself.)
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GS4 was worked on by the same writer/director that has headed the team all along. Sure Takumi was forced to keep Phoenix, but if the story in his blog is any indication, that decision was made long before Apollo ever existed. If you played and don't like GS4 that's one thing, but you can't really blame it on a change in the team, or Phoenix being shoved in half-way through the development process, or anything like that.
And I still contest the idea that Phoenix "made a 180" in GS4, but that's being discussed in another thread.
I refuse to believe the writers never gave a thought to Edgeworth or Maya. It's mostly the same team that worked on the PW:AA remake--how could they be THAT thick, with the entire fanbase telling them Edgeworth is their favorite? Whether or not they have plans for the two of them is another matter, but I think their absense this time could only have been a conscious decision rather than an oversight.
I mean, hell, they compare Klavier and Trucy to Edgeworth and Maya in several of the interviews leading up to the game. They're not braindead, they just have motives we don't know.
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I'd actually prefer it if that's the last we see of them. Keep them in fandom's domain, and let the newbies shine in all their glory... I would rather not risk stunting later generations of ace attorneys (and their casts) by holding them to the older ones. The characters need to stay fresh to some degree, but that's just my opinion.
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Well now that I think about it, Croik, Phoenix didn't do a 180 personality change... more like a 45 degree angle's worth. It probably just came as a shock when compared to Apollo's demeanor.
Anyway... Mmmm fandom.
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It's not like he'd become a trancendental lawyer of time and space, with a TARDIS. (Although... thats an interesting idea).
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I think, though, that GS5 or even 6 doesn't necessarily have to feature Maya or any of the other previous characters. After all, even a cameo appearance would require some kind of explanation and backstory, and that will detract from Apollo's game no matter how integrated the reasoning. Fandoms often live and breath on two lines or less, so even a short line or two would be fine by me. What I really think Capcom should do is incoporate old characters into the art book, to give us that "where are they now" reply without having to really go in depth. That would satisfy without more Fey drama or hollow character appearances. A picture says a thousand words.
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And as for Pearl as a teenager I can see this situation.
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