Fantastic idea. This idea (similar) I had is one where Apollo/another character switch bodies, and the other character (in Apollo's body) has to take the tutorial case! :D
Apollo/Minuki bodyswap? :o

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No Freaky Friday.

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Augh, I d that movie so much.

How about the tutorial case be a dream sequence? The case seems effed up at first, because you have no idea where you are and stuff, and at the end of that case, Minuki's gonna be all like 'Wake up' and then Apollo wakes up from his lil' nap and then they go...eat out or something. Go visit Noodleboy or what.

I like that idea!
What sort of dream would it be?

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A dream sequence for first case has already been suggested - and is also quite a possibility, I agree.

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I'd rather see a flashback to one of Kristoph's cases, with a teeny Odoroki as defense aide! I could die from cute <3333

Of course, that would only work if Kristoph was then involved with GS5, which I wouldn't mind, either.

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Wasn't GS2 (JFA) Tutorial a sort of dream sequence? It starts out with a dream doesn't it?

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Oh, so you mean that Kristoph explains court record, CR-button, cross-examination, objecting and pressing to Odoroki during the case? That would be classy, actually.

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No, it's starts out with memory loss.

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Yeah, but the actual game itself starts out with the dream Nick has and getting "whacked" in his dream by the judges gavel.

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Or it could be that Kristoph is the defense attorney on his first case and Apollo is the defendant who is accused of murder. And I guess it could be around... When Apollo is 13-14

I want it to be a Kristoph flashback so bad. Complete with inner monologue... it would be a little different to be sure XD And if you had like a teenaged Apollo or something... or even his first case, though I'd like one with his current personality, so personally I'd want it to already be in place by that point...

I wouldn't want Apollo accused of murder though. We've already explored whatever consequences that would have I think.

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wasn't Apollo's first case the one where he defends phoenix....?

Aryies means Kristoph's first case. I see where you'd get confused though.

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I want to see more of 2-4. Not every single thing but I want the final case of this game to have just as many split-second, last-moment, unexpected twists as that. Seriously, any case that can keep me on the edge of my seat for the whole duration is worthy of being dubbed "Best Case Ever" in my book.

I love all these ideas about improvising, body switching, and general trickery and tweaking the rules to your advantage. Apollo needs to undergo a revelation like how Phoenix did and learn that there's more to being a defense attorney than getting a "Not Guilty" verdict.

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Again? Nah, no thanks.

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Exactly. Thats part of why I was disapointed with 3-5 (other than the ending), because 2-4 was just so damn good. On the edge of your seat from the moment the case began, with new twists and turns, and those heart wrenching moments where it feels like its all over.

Exactly! 2-4 was just so good (*does not want 3-5 spoiled*)

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If we wanted a Kris trial, then we only have to go back a year or two. It could be Pollys first time in the courtroom, and is in the co-council seat watching his Mentor at work.

If they REALLY did it well, it could seed new ideas for the rest of the game.

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Everybody dies. Big AIDS party.

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That was a joke.. right? ;) :D

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No everyone does die...apart form Phoenix. Thats why no one else is in GS4. :(

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I meant Kristoph's first case. Sorry, bad wording ^^;

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Been thinking this over and this might work, mind you of course I'm just playing on what I know about mysteries and what people tend to like.

GS5: (since it has five cases then first one shouldn't be connected directly to Apollo) (While Yes I'd like to see Kristopher's first case, I think that should be saved for the last game. Since this is the middle of the story you can't reveal your hand, as a magician would say, so early in the game. Soooo.....)

Case 1: Turnabout Airbrushed Art -Phonenix Wright

Defendent: One Justin DeWitt, artist by trade
Victim: His model, Lily Vandermer, also girlfriend.
Guilty Party: Fellow artist Model Veronica Habadash.

Plot: Basically this would be the ONLY time you play Phoenix at all. Yes I know he laughed off the idea of being a attorney, but this is Nick, and if this is takeing place a few months after GS4, then this would give him time to actually reconsider it. Also, it would be fun to play him one last time. In this case it's Apollo who's with him as an Aid. The defendent is actually a neighbor of Apollo's. The crime itself is simple. Basically jealous girl, gets into fight with girlfriend, accidently kills girlfriend, covers it up but winds up framing the guy she likes. Phoenix has to prove that Veronica was behind the murder using his wits.

Case 2: Turnabout -Deadline -Apollo Justice

Defendent: Amber Dextric, investigative Journalist
Victim: Sam Wilson -Ex basketball star
Guilty parties: Sam's PR Assistant. Ashely Winters -singer

Basics: A woman arrives at the Wright, Justice, and Co, anything office. She introduces herself as Ashley Winter's lawyer, and she wants Apollo to take a case for her. It's for her client, Ms. Winters. It's in the paper already that Sam's been murdered. He once dated Ashley's sister Angela Winters, who was a rising singer, and killed her. Problem is that it was never proved. Ashely asked Amber to look into the crime to see if she could do a report about it and bring it back up. During a meeting with Sam, after discovering he is guilty, Ashley shoved him in the same fashion that Sam shoved Angela, and made him hit his head. He died because of the fact that the PR guy was in love with Angela, and wanted Sam to pay for his crime. This is the first time you meet with the new Proscuter, a young woman by the name of Athena Devine, who's come in from Europe and has been studying under...wow what a catch...Miles Edgeworth. (Although you don't see Miles yet) Athena is the same age, a year older perhapse, as Apollo. And right off the bat they are rivals.

Case 3: Unknown.

In the back of my head I see a case where you get Klaviar back, I'm not sure he will be prosocuting though. I see him helping out in the case with Apollo. Amber becomes a bit like Lotta Heart, only less annoying and more intent on finding out about Edgeworth. You discover through game play and unlocking that she was the one that had put out about Edgeworth screwing around with evidence. This though ties into this case as it has to do with the murder of a couple that had been scandelized in the newspapers. You also learn you can use a press pass. This case would also bring up more of Apollo's past and Amber talks about finding out things about Kristopher. He's some how connected to the dead man, it was one of his first defendents.

Case 4: Unknown, something to do with ghosts.

A man is killed during a seance. The medium is arrested and this brings in Pearl and Maya. However, Maya's role is small and like Phoenix's to be there only to answer questions when needed. Pearl is the one that helps out. In this case she acts as a way to find out what's going on with the fake medium and why the man was killed. You also through her get a means to possibly break the black locks on Kristopher. You learn how to use it in this case and use it on a witness. By the end you discover that Nick and Maya are still friends and you also learn something about Apollo's father.

Case 5: Again unknown.

Not sure about this one, The basics would follow that this case has a lot to do with Apollo and Klavir. Apollo and Athena team up on this one and Apollo meets Edgeworth who is mentoring Athena. He's come to see this case as she's been having some trouble. Kristopher talks to you, but escapes before you can break his locks. This is also the case where Apollo finds out that Trucy is his younger sister, but the man that tells him this becomes a victim himself of the true killer. Eventally Apollo brings this guy down, and Nick talks to him about looking into Apollo's past and it's connections to Kristopher. Athena tells Apollo that she's leaving at first, but he convinces her to not run away and that together they'll find out the truth, that's what they're good at. She smirks and tells him she'll stay, if he's up for the challenge. This last case would be a locked room mystery where finding the real killer and the way they killed their victim is not an easy one at all.

Just my two cents.

While we COULD use Kris' first case, it wouldn't really have much to do with the plot. He was an established Defence Attorney before State VS Arumajiki after all. But a case that happens closer to the events of GS4 wouldn't just have plot significance...

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So I got to thinking about how the game could include Edgeworth without shoving Apollo out of the spotlight. And I realized that the easiest way is for the case Edgey appears in to very clearly revolve about Apollo's character development.

So Edgeworth cut off contact with Phoenix after he heard about him losing his badge, hence not being mentioned at all during GS4. But when he learns that Phoenix is mentoring a young new attorney, Edgeworth feels the need to "save" him from becoming what Phoenix became. Possibly with a nod to 1-5 to tie it together.

The whole time you get a lot of "The Wright I used to know would be doing this right now" and similar crap. Edgey is only giving Apollo two options: "Become the old Phoenix" and "Become the new Phoenix." How very like him. Eventually Apollo finds the courage to stand up to Edgeworth, and just bursts out saying he's NOT Phoenix, nor is he interested in becoming any Phoenix. And in the process he calls Edgeworth out on being arrogant and presumptuous for everything he's done here. The idea of Apollo defining his own individuality and at the same time standing up to Edgeworth is badass.

As the case nears its end you have to make a choice that appears to have two options, each corresponding to old Phoenix and new Phoenix. Apollo, of course, finds a third option. The "Apollo" option.

Ooooh... I like that. Sounds interesting!

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That's our Edgeworth. Always testing people in the most subtle of ways.

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This? This is the best idea ever and I love it. Great way to establish Apollo as a strong character as well (I mean, Edgeworth is pretty intimidating). Awesome. Are you listening, Capcom?

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But would Edgeworth call out Apollo? I always had a feeling he may have been helping Nick behind the scenes, that this whole thing about him being a bum was actually a cover up that Edgeworth helped Nick create.

Although it would be interesting if Apollo did have to go through something like that. I just don't know if Edgy would really be up to putting the boy on the spot like that. I'm sure he's mellowed some in seven years time.

I'm not even sure why he would actually care.

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I would normally think of a bum as someone wh is unemployed, but Phoenix is a piano player at a resturaunt. I wouldn't call him a hobo, through his occupation. Unless you guys are stereotyping off of his looks, just for being super-casual.

Anyway, an older wiser, and less tortured version of Edgeworth in the next game would be a nice idea...in the last case of course(in my opinion). I wouldn't say he should be a prsecuter in this one, or a defendent.

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Actually, he's a professional poker player. He just does piano on the side.

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I know...but still, he is employed to do something, right?
Anyway, Maya is pretty much done, she's had her fun and she needs to retire. I don't think she should come back at all, not even a flashback.

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IF in the next series, GS5 (ZOMG yes! keep it coming!!):
- phoenix stops being a hobo, and players can choose either phoenix or odoroki at the start of every case. After all, It's the best compromise i can think of, that Capcom could make. I mean, They did it with the megaman series after all (X and Zero).

I'll think up more preposterous ideas, just to stir up some comment.

I hope this is the not the wrong lobby again....just got kicked out by some angry defense attorney

the problem with this is.... they'd have to write more than one script per case. One for phoenix, one for Apollo. The characters personality and characteristics, even the way they talk are completely different. Plus it has almost no chance at all of creating solid character development that makes sense for either character.

The reason dual characters worked like that in megaman x is that its not text and story driven, or even character driven. X and zero might as well be the same character but picking one gives you red armor and a sword, and the other gives you blue armor and a gun type thing.

In phoenix wright/gyakuten saiban/apollo justice it just wouldn't work well at all, with the only possibility of it even working would never happen due to the cost of developing a completely seperate script for the same case. At that point they might as well just double the number of cases and give half to phoenix, the other half to Apollo. And even then its all about cost management. If you throw 8 or more cases into 1 game, as opposed to releasing 2 different games, each with 4-5 cases, you make more money with the later instance, because isntead of buying 1 game, you buy 2. Therefore its more cost effective to split things up like that. Thats why we didn't get games 1,2 and 3 in the same ds cart when it came out in the states. Would it have fit on one cart? probably. Would it be cost effective to do so? Oh god no, not even the slightest bit. would it have been nice? Maybe... but then it would make 2-1, and 3-1 seem waaaay too easy, and then 2-2, and 3-2 would seem a bit short compared to stuff like 2-4, and 1-4 and 1-5.

I had the weirdest idea. Phoenix goes with Iris and then Maya attempts to kill iris. hmmm. Interesting. But they find out that Maya was not the one instead someone was tryin to frame maya cause they knew she liked Phoenix. Weird?

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No.

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I think Mugitsura, Hamigaki and should return.

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Hmm...here's what I would like.
Major Spoilers for Trials and Tribulations.

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