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A another thing that gets me is Mia's amnesia about Dahlia being her cousin. Mia is older and I got the impression that the twins were in the village until they were about five years old (my estimate) at which point Mia would be nine. Maya wasn't born yet so these two would have been the closest relatives around her age at that point in time. But when Dahlia first showed up in court in 3-4 Mia doesn't recognize her at all even when she found out her real name, in fact the game suggests that she didn't even know that she was Morgan's daughter until 3-5. I admit Mia does seem to have problems with peoples names when they first meet (problem I share, usually have to know the person for a bit before their name sticks) but I don't think she could have been that isolated from her cousins at that age.
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2) I figured that after such a long time they wouldn't recognize each other or something.
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Edit: Also, maybe they just didn't talk much? I mean, they were kids, I don't know about you but I wouldn't have spent much time with younger cousins at that age, even in the same village- they probably just weren't close, and after so long you'd forget.
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Perhaps Iris could have just said she dyed her hair that one day and this was her real hair color or that she likes to on occasion dye it red.
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On the hair...Hey, she could have just said 'I've been dying my hair since the day I met you'. Dahlia possibly dyes her hair as well, maybe, so it would make perfect sense for it to look a little different when Iris 'becomes' Dahlia. Red dye is annoyingly fickle. And also... he only meets the real Dahlia what, once? Or did he meet her more times...? So really, he wouldn't notice would he?
I'm pretty sure Dahlia is a natural redhead.
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1) Hair dye. How would Nick notice any problem? I don't want to discuss this further as it may lead to whether the curtains match the drapes and that's just freaky.
She could have waxed the floor.
2) I figured that after such a long time they wouldn't recognize each other or something.
She could have waxed the floor.
2) I figured that after such a long time they wouldn't recognize each other or something.
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Franzise Deuxnim wrote:
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On the hair...Hey, she could have just said 'I've been dying my hair since the day I met you'. Dahlia possibly dyes her hair as well, maybe, so it would make perfect sense for it to look a little different when Iris 'becomes' Dahlia. Red dye is annoyingly fickle. And also... he only meets the real Dahlia what, once? Or did he meet her more times...? So really, he wouldn't notice would he?
I'm pretty sure Dahlia is a natural redhead.
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But then what's Iris using? If they're supposed to be identical twins, then having black and red hair is a major difference in the gene structure.
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Feenie: "Dollie, what happened to your hair?"
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Feenie: "I think it looks good on you!"
Iris: "Really? OH FEENIE you're so sweet." *smooch*
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Dahlia = da Liar (HURF HURF PUN). Don't belive her. Her real hair colour must be BLUE. GENE MALFUNCTION AIHGHAJGKDFFHKFSAJURRLLSURHUGHLS
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Takuya wrote:
Ethed wrote:
Dahlia = da Liar (HURF HURF PUN). Don't belive her. Her real hair colour must be BLUE. GENE MALFUNCTION AIHGHAJGKDFFHKFSAJURRLLSURHUGHLS
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Takuya wrote:
Ethed wrote:
Dahlia = da Liar (HURF HURF PUN). Don't belive her. Her real hair colour must be BLUE. GENE MALFUNCTION AIHGHAJGKDFFHKFSAJURRLLSURHUGHLS
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I thought they named Dahlia after the flower. (Saw something on Google about it)
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I think you have the first part right, but you're just a little mistaken.
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So yeah, the whole Fey branch family are references, direct and indirect, to Nathaniel Hawthorne's work.
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If Dahlia's intention was to kill Maya (as she states herself) and she was being channeled by Maya, how come she didn't do something to Maya's body while possessing it? Didn't she know? Or doesn't that work?
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By that time, I guess she was too pissed to think clearly and attempting "suicide" didn't occur to her. There isn't a lot she could have done at that point to try without giving anyone a chance to stop her anyway.
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RegyRusty wrote:
Hmm... here's a possibility which may have been overlooked: Perhaps Iris has dyed her hair black.
It originally crossed my mind that the hair detail may have simply been a way to distinguish the two characters but later on I realized that was stupid.
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Being identical twins, Dahlia and Iris cannot have different natural hair colors.
Objection!
Growing up, I knew two girls in high school that were twins. They shared the same face, skin tone, hair style and they had the same eye color, posture and tone of voice. I blame the later on years of choir antics.
The behavior could be matched to a | since they usually fought over everything. The problem with these two particular girls is the hair color. 96% of others could NOT distinguish the exact color and thus could not tell them apart from each other. Only me and one other guy could. While the color difference isn't red and black like the case with Dahlia and the like(zomg hi Pearls! 
), there was still enough of a difference that I could identify them with a bit of concentration. The other guy claimed it was through detection of the soul. He always seemed to know which one was closer to him in close distance even though there may have been something as obstructive as a brick walled room between them. Creepy? Yes. Conclusive? You bet your ass! 
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Also, there was one bothersome stunt that their mother pulled that made the way they lived and played very cumbersome ordeal. It made it easier to spot differences in behavior, but not by much. You see, the whole identification of these two nothing short of 100% sadistic in nature: Their names were Erin and Erinn. Too damn exact not to be able to be sure about not being sure about telling the difference. Now THAT is confusion!
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Genetics simply doesn't work like that. Therefore, since Dahlia apparently does have natural red hair, Iris must also. Perhaps, after her sister was convicted for Doug Swallow's murder, Iris decided to put their connection behind forever, and dyed her red hair black.
Iris has no reason to conceal her identity after leaving for a sub-permanent stay at Hazakura. Since it's in the middle of nowhere, what are the chances of Po-hoe-nix ever getting his beady little eyes on a photo of her?
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2. mia sucks at long term memorization.
personally, i think that the fact that mia would have known the two of them was completely overlooked by the writers
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Miss Prince wrote:
I find it more likely that Dahlia died her hair than Iris.
no way, that would mean that dahlia had already died her hair before she met phoenix, and wouldn't phoenix notice that in 3-1, her hair wasn't black anymore?
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andrx wrote:
Miss Prince wrote:
I find it more likely that Dahlia died her hair than Iris.
no way, that would mean that dahlia had already died her hair before she met phoenix, and wouldn't phoenix notice that in 3-1, her hair wasn't black anymore?
No, I mean that Dahlia's natural hair color was black, and and some point before she met Phoenix she started dying it red. Iris would still have to dye her hair to pass as Dahlia, but she'd be doing it for a reason, instead of having natural red hair and dying it black like someone else suggested, which I just don't see Iris doing.
Dahlia's spirit having red hair could just be a reflection of the way she views herself.
Anyway, any explanation we come up with is reaching. I doubt the creators of the game gave it serious thought, but it is fun to speculate.
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andrx wrote:
personally, i think that the fact that mia would have known the two of them was completely overlooked by the writers
It seems like Dahlia knew Mia, though.. the way she kept screaming MIA FEY.. and freaking out in court. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
I wish they had established some sort of connection between Iris and Pearl at the end, though. You'd think she'd be excited that she has a sister D:
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Miss Prince wrote:
andrx wrote:
Miss Prince wrote:
I find it more likely that Dahlia died her hair than Iris.
no way, that would mean that dahlia had already died her hair before she met phoenix, and wouldn't phoenix notice that in 3-1, her hair wasn't black anymore?
No, I mean that Dahlia's natural hair color was black, and and some point before she met Phoenix she started dying it red. Iris would still have to dye her hair to pass as Dahlia, but she'd be doing it for a reason, instead of having natural red hair and dying it black like someone else suggested, which I just don't see Iris doing.
Dahlia's spirit having red hair could just be a reflection of the way she views herself.
Anyway, any explanation we come up with is reaching. I doubt the creators of the game gave it serious thought, but it is fun to speculate.
Why is it more likely that both sisters dyed than just one to match the other's natural hair?
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Dahlia...you let me down. You couldve been the first person in the world to commit murder...and suicide...SIMULTANIOUSLY!
She could have, stupid girl. I'm sure she could have used something to stab herself.
On Topic, Hair Dye or could have just told Phoenix that she dyed her hair. I really don't think Phoenix would have cared to notice though.
With Mia and her sucky memory. I thought that Dahlia was out of the village because her father took them? So Mia couldn't have known her. Or maybe just like me, I don't remember my cousins all to well and years went by too. I think Mia just forgot over the trauma of her mother and having to take care of Maya, and trying to be a good Defense Attorney.
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Franzise Deuxnim wrote:
Miss Prince wrote:
No, I mean that Dahlia's natural hair color was black, and and some point before she met Phoenix she started dying it red. Iris would still have to dye her hair to pass as Dahlia, but she'd be doing it for a reason, instead of having natural red hair and dying it black like someone else suggested, which I just don't see Iris doing.
Dahlia's spirit having red hair could just be a reflection of the way she views herself.
Anyway, any explanation we come up with is reaching. I doubt the creators of the game gave it serious thought, but it is fun to speculate.
Dahlia's spirit having red hair could just be a reflection of the way she views herself.
Anyway, any explanation we come up with is reaching. I doubt the creators of the game gave it serious thought, but it is fun to speculate.
Why is it more likely that both sisters dyed than just one to match the other's natural hair?
I was just speculating on the idea that they are identical and have the same natural hair color. Someone mentioned that maybe both Iris and Dahlia had red hair, and Iris dyed hers black for whatever reason, which seems weird to me. I presented the opposite idea, that they both had black hair, and Dahlia started dying hers. I can see her doing it to piss off her father, for example. Years after that, Iris has to pose as Dahlia and dyes her hair as well.
I'm not saying it's more likely than the two just having different natural hair colors, but I like the idea of them as identical twins because it raises all sorts of interesting psychological issues. If Iris is such a good person, maybe there was something human in Dahlia after all; if Dahlia was so evil, maybe there's something dark hidden in Iris's nature as well.
Alternate theory: Some chemical accident turned Dahlia's hair red
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Miss Prince wrote:
Franzise Deuxnim wrote:
Miss Prince wrote:
No, I mean that Dahlia's natural hair color was black, and and some point before she met Phoenix she started dying it red. Iris would still have to dye her hair to pass as Dahlia, but she'd be doing it for a reason, instead of having natural red hair and dying it black like someone else suggested, which I just don't see Iris doing.
Dahlia's spirit having red hair could just be a reflection of the way she views herself.
Anyway, any explanation we come up with is reaching. I doubt the creators of the game gave it serious thought, but it is fun to speculate.
Dahlia's spirit having red hair could just be a reflection of the way she views herself.
Anyway, any explanation we come up with is reaching. I doubt the creators of the game gave it serious thought, but it is fun to speculate.
Why is it more likely that both sisters dyed than just one to match the other's natural hair?
I was just speculating on the idea that they are identical and have the same natural hair color. Someone mentioned that maybe both Iris and Dahlia had red hair, and Iris dyed hers black for whatever reason, which seems weird to me. I presented the opposite idea, that they both had black hair, and Dahlia started dying hers. I can see her doing it to piss off her father, for example. Years after that, Iris has to pose as Dahlia and dyes her hair as well.
I'm not saying it's more likely than the two just having different natural hair colors, but I like the idea of them as identical twins because it raises all sorts of interesting psychological issues. If Iris is such a good person, maybe there was something human in Dahlia after all; if Dahlia was so evil, maybe there's something dark hidden in Iris's nature as well.
Alternate theory: Some chemical accident turned Dahlia's hair red
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