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But more disturbingly, he has the second longest win record in the series, beating Franziska and Edgeworth.
Here's the ranking.
1. Manfred von Karma, with 40 years of wins
2. Payne, with 7 years
3. Franziska, with 5 years
4. Edgeworth, with 4 years
5. Godot, with 0 cause he lost all of his
Klavier is unknown as he never mentioned such matters.
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I mean, you can't really take Payne in count, since he's a "rookie killer" =_=
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It's perfect. We could have the Winston Payne
(Also, the fact that the title makes me think of "There's Something About Payne" is itself creepy
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Hmmmm... whatever, it is time to 
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How about the senior citizen mullet? Talk about a mindfuck o.O
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That IS pretty impressive.
Yes.
Really, putting it all in perspective like that, Phoenix seems kinda pathetic. I mean, he was only a lawyer for, what, three years? Loser.
Haha, just kidding Nick, you know I love you.
...Loser.
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Also, it's interesting to note that it wasn't just Mia who broke his confidence. From the looks of it, he fell at the same hurdle that Nick jumped over with Enguard. He fully trusted Dahlia was innocent, and when he turned out to be wrong he freaked out. I think it triggered his Midlife Crisis; he couldn't be sure if any of the people if sent down were really guilty and I bet it still weighs upon his concience even today.
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Also, it's interesting to note that it wasn't just Mia who broke his confidence. From the looks of it, he fell at the same hurdle that Nick jumped over with Enguard. He fully trusted Dahlia was innocent, and when he turned out to be wrong he freaked out. I think it triggered his Midlife Crisis; he couldn't be sure if any of the people if sent down were really guilty and I bet it still weighs upon his concience even today.
That makes a lot of sense. It really messed Nick up when it turned out Enguard wasn't innocent like he had been so sure he was.
I kinda feel sorry for Payne thinking like that. He trusted Dahlia so much, and she turned out to be completely psychotic, I think that could definitely have messed him up, and given him the lack of confidence we see him with, because he was never sure if he was prosecuting a guilty person anymore.
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Payne is officially awesome.
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Also, it's interesting to note that it wasn't just Mia who broke his confidence. From the looks of it, he fell at the same hurdle that Nick jumped over with Enguard. He fully trusted Dahlia was innocent, and when he turned out to be wrong he freaked out. I think it triggered his Midlife Crisis; he couldn't be sure if any of the people if sent down were really guilty and I bet it still weighs upon his concience even today.
That makes a lot of sense. It really messed Nick up when it turned out Enguard wasn't innocent like he had been so sure he was.
I kinda feel sorry for Payne thinking like that. He trusted Dahlia so much, and she turned out to be completely psychotic, I think that could definitely have messed him up, and given him the lack of confidence we see him with, because he was never sure if he was prosecuting a guilty person anymore.
Not in 4-1... he felt pretty sure of himself about Phoenix. Remember what he said in the beginning? "I saw you come in a fresh lawyer... and now I'll see you leave in chains."
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Seven years seem to appear everywhere you look on this game
. Maybe the number was also a trick to make newbie players think he was involved on that thing... seven years ago...(Of course it doesn't make sense if you played the first three games, but could it trick someone who hasn't?)
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this means Payne beat someone.
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this means Payne beat someone.
He was undefeated until he met Mia.
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But more disturbingly, he has the second longest win record in the series, beating Franziska and Edgeworth.
Here's the ranking.
1. Manfred von Karma, with 40 years of wins
2. Payne, with 7 years
3. Franziska, with 5 years
4. Edgeworth, with 4 years
5. Godot, with 0 cause he lost all of his
Klavier is unknown as he never mentioned such matters.
Now I understand how he has a wife...
Payne seems to be like the best character ever right now!
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Haha, just kidding Nick, you know I love you.
...Loser.
That's what makes the fourth game so sad, in my opinion. Phoenix, really, never had a chance. It was all taken away from him.
(Bad smiley choice, but whatever)
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Also, it's interesting to note that it wasn't just Mia who broke his confidence. From the looks of it, he fell at the same hurdle that Nick jumped over with Enguard. He fully trusted Dahlia was innocent, and when he turned out to be wrong he freaked out. I think it triggered his Midlife Crisis; he couldn't be sure if any of the people if sent down were really guilty and I bet it still weighs upon his concience even today.
Everything is always Dahlia's fault.
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Also, it's interesting to note that it wasn't just Mia who broke his confidence. From the looks of it, he fell at the same hurdle that Nick jumped over with Enguard. He fully trusted Dahlia was innocent, and when he turned out to be wrong he freaked out. I think it triggered his Midlife Crisis; he couldn't be sure if any of the people if sent down were really guilty and I bet it still weighs upon his concience even today.
Everything is always Dahlia's fault.
Yes. Yes it is. XD
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It was only a matter of time before he picked wrong and got screwed over.
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When was it ever stated that he was undefeated before he lost to Mia? Obviously 3-1 was by far his most devastating defeat, but that doesn't necessarily mean he never lost before that. Had he lost to another veterans in cases where his witness(es) wasn't the killer, he probably would have been bummed but not 'massive hair loss' bummed.
I pose this line of reasoning because it seems odd to me that he'd start prosecuting at 35 (or 41, if my math is correct). Of course, then you can have fun wondering what he did during the first part of his life (I pick upper-class hair stylist for crack's sake...)
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When was it ever stated that he was undefeated before he lost to Mia? Obviously 3-1 was by far his most devastating defeat, but that doesn't necessarily mean he never lost before that. Had he lost to another veterans in cases where his witness(es) wasn't the killer, he probably would have been bummed but not 'massive hair loss' bummed.
I pose this line of reasoning because it seems odd to me that he'd start prosecuting at 35 (or 41, if my math is correct). Of course, then you can have fun wondering what he did during the first part of his life (I pick upper-class hair stylist for crack's sake...)
Payne stated in the first case of Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, that he didn't lose a single case in his first seven years of prosecuting. I don't remember in which part of the case he said that but I remember he said those words.
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Indeed. I never said I was challenging that point; I recall him saying it as well. I'm just saying that he wasn't necessarily undefeated before he faced Mia in 3-1. Back then, Grossberg said he was ruthless, but I don't recall anyone saying he'd never before lost. He might have lost many times before then, but only to veterans, and without any witnesses breaking his trust. In other words, I'm guessing he was a prosecutor for 15-25 years before 3-1 (was he not termed a veteran?) and was simply undefeated for the first seven.
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this means Payne beat someone.
Well...he DID win 7 years in a roll.
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Indeed. I never said I was challenging that point; I recall him saying it as well. I'm just saying that he wasn't necessarily undefeated before he faced Mia in 3-1. Back then, Grossberg said he was ruthless, but I don't recall anyone saying he'd never before lost. He might have lost many times before then, but only to veterans, and without any witnesses breaking his trust. In other words, I'm guessing he was a prosecutor for 15-25 years before 3-1 (was he not termed a veteran?) and was simply undefeated for the first seven.
Right. Sorry, I misread that one. I still believe he's first loss was against Mia, as he lost his hair after that and seemed like he was defeated to death. I know this means nothing, but that's how the game made it look like.
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When was it ever stated that he was undefeated before he lost to Mia? Obviously 3-1 was by far his most devastating defeat, but that doesn't necessarily mean he never lost before that. Had he lost to another veterans in cases where his witness(es) wasn't the killer, he probably would have been bummed but not 'massive hair loss' bummed.
I pose this line of reasoning because it seems odd to me that he'd start prosecuting at 35 (or 41, if my math is correct).
That's something that confused me about this topic. I don't believe that Mia was Payne's first defeat. He became a prosecutor around age 22, correct? Then, around age 29, he lost his first case. Then, Mia came how-many years later.
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I mean, he's bald on top, and grew it out everywhere else -_-'
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Your logic is amazing. I wish I'd thought of that.
Speaking of Payne being creepy.....he was awful to Pheonix in 4-1!
It was like he was resenting him for his troubles and just mocking him for falling like he did.
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And then Payne goes "Better than a defense attorney who can't defend."
Was he mocking Phoenix, Apollo, or both of them?
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