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....And promptly forgot most of what happened.

Help refresh me so I can write the case description, will ya? Yanni Yogi

This is a case 1 thread, so I'm not going to tag Case 1 spoilers. I'm gonna update this thread as I finish more. I'm going through the game as fast as I can!

Let's see if I have the crime part down:

Kagerou hired Masaka to help him bring down Phoenix the famous poker player. The plan was that Masaka would slip the 5 of hearts into Phoenix's pocket. Then, near the end of the match, she would deal a fixed hand so that Phoenix would play 3 aces and Kagerou 2, thus making 5 aces - an obvious sign of cheating. By searching Phoenix and "discovering" the 5 of hearts, Phoenix's reputation would be ruined.

That night, Phoenix had dinner with Garyuu. Shortly after Garyuu left, Kagerou showed up and challenged Phoenix to a match. Masaka planted the 5 of hearts, as planned, and dealt the game. But in the middle of the game Phoenix put his hands in his pockets and discovered the card. Realizing something was up, he snuck it into an empty grapejuice bottle.

But when the time came for the "throwdown", Kagerou ended up with the extra ace. He searched Phoenix and didn't find the card. In his anger he grabbed up the grape juice bottle and knocked Masaka out for screwing up his plan.

At some point, Phoenix ripped the locket off Kagerou's neck as well...?

And that's when...in a startling display of callousness towards an unconscious woman, Phoenix leaves Masaka there with the man who just attacked her so he can go upstairs to call the police (??????).

While he's upstairs, Kagerou retakes his seat. The cabinet behind him moves, sliding aside to reveal a secret passage that leads into the restaurant. He turns his chair around and sees Kirihito, who grabs the juice bottle (he would have had to reach over Kagerou to get it?) and smashes him in the forehead. Kagerou falls back in his chair. His hat falls off, and the blood from his wound drips onto the ace of spades left on the table.

Kirihito takes the ace, and replaces the bottle with one he took from Phoenix's stash upstairs. He slips a new card into Kagerou's hand so that it doesn't look like his hand was disturbed, but he doesn't realize that the game being played was with red cards, not blue, and adds the wrong card. He spins Kagerou back around and leaves the way he came.

Phoenix comes back down, and finds the dead body. He notices that Kagerou's hand has been changed and makes a mental note. Deciding it's a good oppertunity to "get" Kirihito (for some reason I assume will be made clear later) he goes back upstairs to call him. But during the conversation Kirihito makes a remark about Kagerou's shiny bald head. Realizing that Kirihito just screwed up - Kagerou didn't take his hat off the entire time he was there, thus no one should realize he's bald - Phoenix ducks back down again, and pops Kagerou's hat back on.

Planning ahead for court, Phoenix talks to Minuki, and has her prepare a fake version of the bloody ace he knew Kirihito must have taken. When he gets to court, he asks that Odoroki be the one to defend him. He would need Odoroki's help to take Kirihito down.

...That about cover it? Adrian

Oh yeah, and then Phoenix gets SLUGGED. That was the best part <3
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In a word, yes. As far as I can tell.
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Phoenix breaking down doors in the past and abandoning unconscious women years later.

What a hero!
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What about teh trial?
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I finished it yesterday, but as I don't know that much Japanese I still have some questions...

Q: Garyuu's motive?
Q: Why take the ace? As far as I understood, it was used to pin the crime on Nick (with who won the game), but the card on it's own certainly didn't implicate Garyuu in anyway, right?
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Ash wrote:
Q: Garyuu's motive?

We don't find out in case one. Kagerou's identity remains a mystery as well.

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Q: Why take the ace? As far as I understood, it was used to pin the crime on Nick (with who won the game), but the card on it's own certainly didn't implicate Garyuu in anyway, right?

There was a drop of blood on it, which proves that the chair was turned with the back to the table when the victim was hit (the trickle of blood runs towards the back of his head). This points out that the murderer came through the secret door and Phoenix couldn't have done it from his position in any plausible way, so the ace had to disappear.
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Aaah, OK, thanks. That clarifies things. Now, back to case two =D
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What about teh trial?


I'll get to it. Yuusaku I probably should have taken notes!
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I got an image of you using two ds's. One to play GS4, the other to jot down notes with Hotel Dusk. Godot Edgy
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So I finished case 2. Now I have case 2 questions!!!!!!

They didn't ever explain what was up with the grafitti, did they...? I can't seem to remember.

By the end Odoroki refers to Koume as Takita's mother. She really is his real mother, right? I wasn't sure earlier in the case.
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Yeah, she's his mother, as far as I can tell.
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Croik wrote:
They didn't ever explain what was up with the grafitti, did they...? I can't seem to remember.

What graffitti? The paint on the door was spilled when Ukkari-Sensei hit Naruhodou, and apparantly ran over the paint cans as well. The reason they were there in first place was because they had the drawings on the fence (the dragon and such) renewed.
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For some reason, the painter they found always ended up messing things around, so the dragon drawing was a ever-going project for Koume...and those cans were kept there until Naruhodou was hit.

I think the exact wording was:

"Last night around 9 pm I heard a very big sound, went out to took a look, and saw your father drowned in an ocean of paints."
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Yeah, it was something like that. Koume is actually one of the cooler new characters, gotta love how she always reaches for her broom-dagger and Minuki totally respects her way of handling things while Odoroki is all scared.
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It was scary, though- when she first did that I thought that I had done something wrong and was going to meet a premature end at her hands.
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Ah, okay. When the screenshots of the house first came out I assumed it was vandalism, so I never really shook the impression while playing the game XD;;.

I'm working on the case description for 2 first, since it's fresh in my mind (and I actually took notes this time!). If you guys want to take a peek at my progress, I'd appreciate it:

http://www.court-records.net/gs4-2.htm

I haven't linked to this from the site yet. It's my first time writing a case description after only one playthrough, so I probably screwed up more than once~ It's also not as super detailed as I first intended, but since we're working a script anyway, it's about as detailed as the other descriptions.

I really liked the characters in case 2. I wish I had Takita's hopping sprite! He really grew on me, and his dad, too.
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You have Phoenix as the defendant. Isn't it Takita Kitaki? And are you going to be updating the GS4 character section?
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Oops, bad C&P!!!!

And yes, I am. I did the 4-2 characters but haven't linked that, either (been trying to find the mugshots). But you can peek at that, too, if you want:

http://www.court-records.net/chara4-2.htm
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Cool, thanks! I'm sure E~A can rip some of the mugshots. I'm looking for a few myself.
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Uh-oh...this raises a new localization question. If Mugitsura is the noodle vendor that Phoenix and Maya used to go to all the time, how will that translate to the English one, where they went to get burgers? They can't very well change his whole sprite...nevertheless, I love how Takumi brought back an old character who never really made an appearance. Does this mean that the weather girl from GS2-2 might make an appearance eventually as well...? Dr. Grey
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I'd think that they'd just need to change the noodle hat, is all. However, how to localize the ramen stand- after all, I've never heard of portable burger restaurants.
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If Mugitsura is the noodle vendor that Phoenix and Maya used to go to all the time, how will that translate to the English one, where they went to get burgers?

Changing the location was a bad idea from the start, and it's rather funny to see it come back to bite the localizers like this. I'm also interested to find out why
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I'd think that they'd just need to change the noodle hat, is all. However, how to localize the ramen stand- after all, I've never heard of portable burger restaurants.


From what I've seen, the noodle hat is kind of the entire "gimmick" of his design. I don't think they'd change it to a giant head-burger for the US release...at least, I sure as hell hope they don't. I think the main reason they didn't worry about future problems when localizing the first game is because they expected it to bomb terribly in the US, hence making no need for a sequel. Nick

But then again, they could explain it away by saying that he switched over from selling burgers to noodles at some point... Yanni Yogi
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They might go for the Naruto & ramen connection, that with Kitakitakitakita (one too much? XD) looking like Naruto ^_~;

Finished this case today too. Quite a nice case with every trial day a good revelation. I loved interrogating Kawazu XD The little 3D animations, while not especially different from the old 2D maps, were quite interesting.

And I loooooove Garyuu's musical theme.
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You guys have never heard of Burger Vans? :F And I'm glad you finnaly got your copy Croik ^_^
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Kyouya air-guitaring away your lifebar is just about the awesomest thing ever. Love it <3.

As for the noodle stand...I think the only thing the localization team can do is say he switched. They can't very well change the entire case (since the noodle bowls are all over the place, and are very important in the case).

It's not like they ever bothered to explain why a traditional Japanese village exists outside L.A. Or why there's snow.

Or, they could always just cover their tracks with "I thought I could attract more customers with a unique, Japanese-like gimick!" I know I wish they had ramen carts around here <3
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It worked for Samurai dogs :F It'd sell like wildfire, lots of people in america seem to be really getting into Japanese culture :3 I wish I knew what Ramen is tho...
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We have quite a few authentic Ramen restaurants in LA. Better than nothing. Having a Ramen cart going at 70 mph on the 10 freeway is a scary thought. (lol)

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Ra=stretched, Men=noodle.
Ramen are noodles made by stretching the dough using human hands (without cutting by a blade/machine) . It takes a lot of strength and skills to do that, so most time the chef who makes them are not very easy to find. In Japan, they are very serious on the soup accompanied with noodle, rather than the noodle itself. Most famous restaurants use a soup-base made of secret ingredients, some are as old as the restaurant's history. The owner in Case 2 has a passion on making the soup-base too.


The noodle cart could not be switched into a burger stand
...because the name of the cart has a reversed meaning and the panty thief thought it as something featuring grilled meat. If switching to a burger stand, then Odoroki could not be able to point out the contradiction. That part is very hard to localize.

A pasta cart, that will probably work. They can just explain it is pasta on the owner's head, and he loves ultra-salty pasta sauce.
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Croik wrote:
Oops, bad C&P!!!!

And yes, I am. I did the 4-2 characters but haven't linked that, either (been trying to find the mugshots). But you can peek at that, too, if you want:

http://www.court-records.net/chara4-2.htm


If Hotti/Hotta shows up again in this case, are you going to add him in here, too? Or is it just a little cameo not really worth mentioning or something?
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Hm, I hadn't thought about it. It's just a cameo and you don't really get a chance to speak to him, so I'm not sure it's important enough. Does he show up later in the game, too?

BTW I finished the case description for 4-2, link posted earlier. I'm not going to post it to the site official until I have banners for it (heee~~~) so let me know if you spot any glaring errors.
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Croik, I know you mightn't like the idea, but would you like me to make you a few mugshots for teh characters? It won't be the official one but It'd be something nice?
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
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Oops, bad C&P!!!!

And yes, I am. I did the 4-2 characters but haven't linked that, either (been trying to find the mugshots). But you can peek at that, too, if you want:

http://www.court-records.net/chara4-2.htm


If Hotti/Hotta shows up again in this case, are you going to add him in here, too? Or is it just a little cameo not really worth mentioning or something?


Well, Payne was added Yuusaku
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But you actually interact with Payne, and he has a new set of sprites. Hotti is around for maybe three or four lines...

But I guess it wouldn't hurt to add him.
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Darzie make Croik custom mugshots. I made these from deufeufeu's sprite rips.

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DarzieP wrote:
Darzie make Croik custom mugshots. I made these from deufeufeu's sprite rips.

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Those seem pretty close to the actual ones.
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Those seem pretty close to the actual ones.


REALLY? Awesome.
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Hey, thanks~

The only difference I notice is I don't think you can see Tsunekatsu's eyes on his real mugshot, but that's no biggie. <3
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Hey, thanks~

The only difference I notice is I don't think you can see Tsunekatsu's eyes on his real mugshot, but that's no biggie. <3


Like this?

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Unfortunately I couldn't get that weird university student guy's regular sprites, so no mugshot for him. And Koume's too hard for the time being.
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Yah, thanks :D

I had a shot of Kawadzu from Deu's bgs dump, so I just used that for his mugshot.
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I searched through like 50 files and didn't find the dude only his
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