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:hobohodo:

I honestly like the older Phoenix better, because he has a 'trickster' methodology and he appears to be conniving and in control. You honestly aren't entirely sure what he's planning at some points, and everything he does seems directed towards a purpose.

This is mostly personal preference. I like cunning and manipulative characters, and seeing their plans a little more than the 'hot-blooded protagonist' archetype. Lawyer Phoenix was actually pretty smart, despite speaking before thinking. I still like him better than Apollo, because Apollo seems a lot more excitable and less proficient than Lawyer Phoenix was, although that's probably due to his inexperience.
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I think Hobohodou's 'coolness' is all a cover. I was replaying 4-4 today during the Mason system and there was a comment that proved :phoenix: is the same idiot we've all come to know and love.

*after examining the wood modeling doll on the Mishams' desk*
:hobohodo: : :objection: It's been 7 years, but I still can't help saying that after I see that pose. I just have to pretend it's something else...
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Rizuchan wrote:
*after examining the wood modeling doll on the Mishams' desk*
:hobohodo: : :objection: It's been 7 years, but I still can't help saying that after I see that pose. I just have to pretend it's something else...

That was probably my favourite part of Apollo Justice :butzthumbs: It sort of made me want to cry for him, but I was squeeing too hard.

I can also clearly imagine him on the ferris wheel. (In 4-3 somewhere Trucy says something like "Daddy doesn't like heights either... he took me on a ferris wheel once, and when we got to the top he kept saying 'objection' under his breath.") Poor Nick.

Which reminds me of another way that his transition into hobo-dom annoyed me. I know they needed a reason for Drew to stalk obsess over have an interest in Nick, but the fact that he didn't do ANYTHING when they revealed that he was using falsified evidence was really out of character, considering all of the things that he freaks out about in court. He should have done something more like this knowing that he was going to be disbarred.
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Awww, I loved :phoenix: . I dunno, hes just a nice guy, and I kind of connected with him. When I first bought AA I thought he was going to be a scum bag for some odd reason, but he really is a lovable, dorky guy.

I think they ruined him :hobohodo: . I think his whole personality is wayyy too... I guess over the top?
I would have rather had him stay his lovable, dorky self.
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To tell the truth I was on the fence about :hobohodo: until he said "Heya".

Any guy who speaks in snowboarder/surfer lingo is fine by me.

Plus I realized :hobohodo: is hot in a "screw you" sort of way.
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Plus I realized :hobohodo: is hot in a "screw you" sort of way.


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Plus I realized :hobohodo: is hot in a "screw you" sort of way.


:uramidn: hee...hee...hee....Freudian.


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I like :hobohodo: better because he has everything that's good with :phoenix: , but with even more added in. He's snarky, sarcastic, cunning, and he's still chasing after justice and truth. Unlike :phoenix: , who had depended a lot on luck and magatama and last minute turnabouts, :hobohodo: chased down every bit of information that shows him the truth. And he presented it in such a way that it is completely convincing to everyone involved.

In the other games, when :phoenix: comes out with his surprise turnabout, I'm... still a bit unconvinced about the case (except for 1-4 and 1-5). But in 4-4? The truth is undeniable.
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One reason I prefer Hobohodo over :phoenix: is mainly because...
Spoiler: 4-4 kinda
:phoenix: got pretty cocky and kinda arrogant in the flashback during the trial. If that was going to become the personality of de facto Nick, then my liking of him would have seriously dropped.

Too lazy... hur hur.
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One reason I prefer Hobohodo over :phoenix: is mainly because...
Spoiler: 4-4 kinda
:phoenix: got pretty cocky and kinda arrogant in the flashback during the trial. If that was going to become the personality of de facto Nick, then my liking of him would have seriously dropped.

I agree whole heartedly with that. Well, I suppose he learned his lesson. :sadshoe:
But then, with :hobohodo: 's attitude now I can't help but think
Spoiler: 4-4 and Ending of AJ
He wouldn't be much different if he did decide to take the bar again. Hobohodo seems pretty humble, but I still got the feeling he was a bit arrogant during the present parts of the Mason system.
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Rizuchan wrote:
But then, with :hobohodo: 's attitude now I can't help but think
Spoiler: 4-4 and Ending of AJ
He wouldn't be much different if he did decide to take the bar again. Hobohodo seems pretty humble, but I still got the feeling he was a bit arrogant during the present parts of the Mason system.


I think he has the right to be, actually. After all,
Spoiler: 4-4
he did spend seven years collecting all that information and making sure that it's perfect to be able to implicate Kristoph.

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he really is a lovable, dorky guy.

I digress: :odoroki: is ten-thousand times dorkier than :phoenix:. Polly is dorky because he's such an honest do-gooder, but he tries so hard to be cool (I squee'd when he said he was jealous of Klavier :redd: ). The only thing that makes Nick sort of dorky is the way he despairs over being the underdog (or the fact that he is the underdog :yuusaku: ).

Not that dorks don't rule. :butzthumbs:
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:phoenix: , naturally. :hobohodo: lost all cool points when he

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gave Apollo forged evidence. Wow, way to go. You not only put that kid's entire career at stake, you also became a total hypocrite.


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:hobohodo: sucks. He's just.... stupid. They tried to make him all calm and collected.. it's just stupid. Like letting Apollo run his trial and then just do everything himself.
:wtf:

And making everything harder for everyone with being vague. Of course it wouldn't be any fun if he wasn't, but it's just stupid. They removed everything that made him so cool in the first games. I can't belive hardcore fans such as yourselves prefer the new Phoenix... he's nothing like old Phoenix. Bah.

:phoenix: FTW


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naturally. :hobohodo: lost all cool points when he

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gave Apollo forged evidence. Wow, way to go. You not only put that kid's entire career at stake, you also became a total hypocrite.


Not quite.
Spoiler: 4-1
Apollo was never in danger which is made very clear in the game as Phoenix claims all responsibility for that piece of evidence right at the beginning (and its made clear that Apollo took the case last minute and therefore couldn't be involved in the forging due to a lack of time. Phoenix tells the court that Apollo got that evidence from Trucy and Kristoph mentions that he had originally intended to lead the defense until Phoenix changed his mind) so Phoenix would have been the only one to pay for the forged evidence because if it came out as it would be seen as a confession to murder and if he hadn't done something either he or Olga was going to pay for a crime neither of them committed. He needed to prove a fourth person had been in the room and he had very few viable options in the circumstances. Its also pretty clear that he felt horrible about what he did and even goads Apollo into punching him so that he can be punished for his actions.

I won't go into it more then that as I've ranted plenty on this topic and I have no desire to repeat myself.
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Also, what's with people calling :phoenix: "arrogant"?

Spoiler: 4-4
Nick made it clear that Klavier thought too highly of himself and that he was going to cut the rookie down to size. Phoenix has had that "ha! beat that" attitude before when presenting evidence in the first three games. In this case, it was obvious that he was trying to humble Klavier before he started thinking he was so great; he was teaching him a valuable lesson, and Phoenix says as much. How is flashback Nick any different from the Phoenix from the first three games? He isn't. Flashback Klavier is arrogant; flashback Phoenix and present-day Klavier are not.

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I agree. I didn't find MASON Nick arrogant at all. You guys had me thinking that I had to go play 4-4 again.
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I would want to know :phoenix: if I needed to borrow money.

I would want to know :hobohodo: if I wanted to borrow drugs hang out.
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I would want to know :hobohodo: if I wanted to borrow drugs and hang out.


Fixed.

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Pengy737 wrote:
I would want to know :hobohodo: if I wanted to borrow drugs and hang out.


Fixed.

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Manga Phoenix FTW.
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Pengy737 wrote:
I would want to know :hobohodo: if I wanted to borrow drugs and hang out.


Fixed.

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Best fix ever.

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I love Hobohodo so much I cosplayed as him over a Bleach character to my first anime convention before AJ was even out in America. He's so laid back and awesome to me, and when it came to presenting the forged evidence I paused and said "BUT I DUN WANNA." Yes. I did. *Nod* I felt horrible presenting it because I knew it was when Phoenix gets disbarred. I was pretty upset that they didn't do his head holding sprite or anything. He was kind of in shock I guess...
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4-4 Nick isn't arrogant, he's just confident. It happens after years of experiance, you know.
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Eh..

GREENIX > :hobohodo: > :phoenix: > Fourthie Phoenix > :nixiesob:

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I would want to know :phoenix: if I needed to borrow money.


You do know that Phoenix never actually got paid for representing anyone. Add to that all of the expenses Edgey makes him pay and all the burgers he has to buy Maya, and you have to wonder how is isn't already a hobo at 1-1.

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I would want to know :hobohodo: if I wanted to borrow drugs hang out.


White powder memories... QFT.

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Manga Phoenix FTW.


I like his personality in the official manga, but I hate severely dislike the art in it. Crossover Nick FTW!
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I'm fairly sure some of Phoenix's clients paid him, and given that he's defended quite wealthy people (Will and Max, for example) it would be enough to sustain him for a while.

Anyway, I prefer lawyer Phoenix. Even the judge admits Nick belongs in the courtroom, and to see him not in the courtroom is really sad.
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You do know that Phoenix never actually got paid for representing anyone. Add to that all of the expenses Edgey makes him pay and all the burgers he has to buy Maya, and you have to wonder how is isn't already a hobo at 1-1.


Those examples are prove that he would be someone who would lend a friend money when they need it badly. If he can't say no to Maya's cravings for burgers, he isn't going to reject a friend in a tough financial situation. If I knew him, I would most likely never ask him for money, (I would be more inclined to make friends with hobohodo and chill out), but the point stands.

Also, I believe Phoenix's lack of money stems from the lack of cases he takes. There is no proof that Phoenix wasn't paid by most of his clients, especially when a good deal of them were rich. Or else the other other characters would probably make jokes about Phoenix "Pro Bono" Wright.
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Those examples are prove that he would be someone who would lend a friend money when they need it badly. If he can't say no to Maya's cravings for burgers, he isn't going to reject a friend in a tough financial situation. If I knew him, I would most likely never ask him for money, (I would be more inclined to make friends with hobohodo and chill out), but the point stands.


That's the point I was trying to make. Maybe I'm too nice, but knowing that Nick's poor I would never approach him for money, even if he were willing to give it. Unfortunately most of the other Ace Attorney characters don't share that view.

... I spend way too much time feeling sorry for Nick.

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For me, it's hard to consider him being the same person. It's like seeing a side of him I never knew. But when I think about it, hobo seems cooler. But it's a hard comparison, at least for me.
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To play as : :phoenix:
Show much more emotion, funny and everything, cool to know his thoughts.

To act as a badass mentor: :hobohodo:
He's so much wiser than young Phoenix, he's defenitely the best mentor for Apollo.
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:hobohodo: is just profound. He does seem pretty jaded, and generally a more distant character, and has pretty much become a perfectionist in the past seven years. Not in character, but in terms of making sure that things went all to plan.

:phoenix: is definitely more sincere.

Overall, I like :hobohodo: more, though.

Spoiler: Light 4-4 Commentary
Interesting to note that, how I saw it, it seems that the internal workings of Phoenix's mind didn't seem to change over the seven year span in the MASON system. Same curiosity, just with an intent bent.
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Point of Fact.......

If you were disbarred, wouldn't you get cold and distant?

I would. Then I would hang myself.

Props to :hobohodo: for not doing what 77% of disbarred lawyers do.
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the reason why phoenix
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gave apollo forged evidence is because he screwed kristoph the same way kristoph screwed him. they both gave their forged evidence to trucy to give the defense attorney. thats why kristoph said "is this your idea of revenge, phoenix wright?" or something to that extent
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FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
Point of Fact.......

If you were disbarred, wouldn't you get cold and distant?

I would. Then I would hang myself.

Props to :hobohodo: for not doing what 77% of disbarred lawyers do.


I can't see Nick doing that, though. It's like he immediately just gave up after being disbarred, which you may not find surprising until you bring :sick: into the equation.

In 3-1 Feenie testified that he was an Art student studying law "on the side" (is that even possible?), because until Mia came along he didn't have that extra push to become an attorney. He was obviously studying for some sort of career before he decided to study law full-time, and according to his bio on the main site there was speculation that he was either going to be an actor or a mangaka if he wasn't a lawyer. But instead of falling back on whatever he had majored in, MASON Nick just gave up hope and became a shitty piano player/master poker player.

What gets me is that he didn't even try. After he got disbarred, and even after he adopted Trucy, he had no motivation, and didn't so much as apply (to our knowledge) for any jobs that he qualified for (Godot knows he didn't qualify to be a piano player). He had a family to support, and he absolutely didn't care. Wtf?
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:hobohodo:. Just for the hat. XD

No, but really, he's just so... I don't even know. But I agree with Marshmello. Why didn't he become an artist or an actor or whatever he was studying for in college? He definitely would have been more qualified for that than a piano player, even if he didn't get his degree.
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I totally forgot about this thread :nick: Instead just randomly bumping it, I'm going to make a comment:

:hobohodo: The hat rocks, but it's totally out of character for Nick. He would never cover his spikes. Ever.

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I like hobo pheonix and younge sneezy pheonix. thats all. not going to debate it. It's my personal oppinion and it doesn't much matter what ppl say about it. Everyone has their prefs for diffrent reasons. So whatev. Everyone is complex with many sides.
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naturally. :hobohodo: lost all cool points when he

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gave Apollo forged evidence. Wow, way to go. You not only put that kid's entire career at stake, you also became a total hypocrite.


Not quite.
Spoiler: 4-1
Apollo was never in danger which is made very clear in the game as Phoenix claims all responsibility for that piece of evidence right at the beginning (and its made clear that Apollo took the case last minute and therefore couldn't be involved in the forging due to a lack of time. Phoenix tells the court that Apollo got that evidence from Trucy and Kristoph mentions that he had originally intended to lead the defense until Phoenix changed his mind) so Phoenix would have been the only one to pay for the forged evidence because if it came out as it would be seen as a confession to murder and if he hadn't done something either he or Olga was going to pay for a crime neither of them committed. He needed to prove a fourth person had been in the room and he had very few viable options in the circumstances. Its also pretty clear that he felt horrible about what he did and even goads Apollo into punching him so that he can be punished for his actions.

I won't go into it more then that as I've ranted plenty on this topic and I have no desire to repeat myself.


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I wish this explanation popped up whenever someone questioned the forged evidence in 4-1.
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Point of Fact.......

If you were disbarred, wouldn't you get cold and distant?

I would. Then I would hang myself.

Props to :hobohodo: for not doing what 77% of disbarred lawyers do.


Absolutely. Besides, he had a score to settle. And there are always other things for the desperate and defeated to do.

...why do I suddenly have an urge to see Phoenix, an unemployed Dick Gumshoe, and Angel Starr rob Blue Screens Inc?

Probably because it would be an excuse to see this:

:hobohodo: WHERE'S THE VAN?!

:starr: *ratatatatatatatatat!*

:hobohodo: "THE VAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE!"

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:hobohodo:. Just for the hat. XD


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