Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
Spoiler: 4:4
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Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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I'm talking about what I read you said...
So about the change:
keeps on changing throughout the games. He became more and more confident. On the 3rd game he was just mean toward everybody and especially toward 
(My theory is that he had period because 
was gone. Again.) My point is - he's developing all the time. Therefore, I think the change he went through in the last game in his character was only part of the whole process.
Spoiler:
About the other thing I read:
Spoiler:
on my opinion 
for crying out-loud! Get a hold of yourself!!!!!(and get a life)
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Spoiler:
You need to seriously go back to the begining of this topic and reread everything, as it seems you missed a bunch of stuff. One last thing, this topic is to talk about which Phoenix people like, we don't want to hear you rant about how much you hate him and how much you love Klavier, go to his topic and praise him there.
Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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Shiva wrote:
Spoiler: 4:4
Spoiler: 4-4
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
Well, Edgey was helping him at the moment.
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Young Feenie has a terrible cough and regular Feenie is just too regular. 
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Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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火曜日 wrote:
Mia_Fey wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
Well, Edgey was helping him at the moment.
Spoiler: 2-4
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Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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火曜日 wrote:
Very good point. Phoenix is always the lucky one(expect in his last trail...T-T), even in GS4, he was still lucky enough to survive from a serious car accident. 
My theory is the
(in all his incarnations) is immortal. Given his name and the fact that he escaped death or serious injury at least twice, I can't imagine him ever kicking it. He'll always be there.Jade wrote:
:cough: I lol'd alot when young Feenie was present; I had a hard time believing he was Nick, especially when he cried and
Spoiler: 3-1
I swear I thought they were joking when they said he ate it. In fact, I was like, "lemme guess: you chewed it up, didn't ya?" when I knew it was true, I was just 
I hold that Feenie isn't actually Phoenix. Never was, never will be. He was just some creep who stole his name and girlfriend.
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Sure, he was pretty dorky and such, but Nick's always been a bit of a dork. Plus, he still had his whole "burning dedication to the people he cares about regardless of the personal risk" thing going.
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And Nick is not a dork; Polly is a dork. I've covered this as well.
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Polly is more of a dork, but Nick is still a dork.
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doesn't try to be cool, and he doesn't despair about not being cool (because he is cool 8D). Nick is an underdog, but being the butt of many jokes and the subject of many insults does not a dork make. Apollo, while being the underdog and the butt of many jokes, also tries to defy his inherent ineptness, and ends up looking silly. He is also clearly jealous of Klavier's coolness."Apollo does a dork make", end quote.
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- I find all of Nick's behavior arrogant. I can't really gives you examples now. That's why he gave me the feeling on 1st case that he got nothing to lose. He was so confident he gave me the feeling that the reason he's there is the nostalgia. It kinda was part of his plan - He'll get Aphlalo to move to his side, he'll get Kristoph in jail, he'll have tons of fan and he'll step his 1st step toward clearing his name. Basicly, you're right, he could've lose his life, but, he is so confident now that he's sure he'll exploit the whole situation to his own benefits.
- I never said (if it seems like i did I'll deny everything in court! XD ) That Nick has anything against Edgey. He was hurt and worry about losing him. You really don't want me to go into Edgey-dumped-me-after-our-1st-sex-and-went-to-europe kinda theory. It's not hate, baby, it's pure love :-)
- About
THE ALL MIGHTY KLAVIER GAVIN . It's a long story... Well, not that long. You're on to me. I've became a fan. I really really didn't like him at 1st. I thought Capcom brought another cool-pretty boy to keep Edgey's fangirls happy even when Edgey's not there. (Edgey can't be replaced they'll have to bring him back eventually) and now in order to explain how I became a fan we'll go into spoiler mode mostly because it's really off-topic Spoiler:
Therefore, Sorry for wasting your time with Klavier stories but, I admit you got me. I am
fan and I wrote mighty Klavier Gavin on purpose.
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by far.I loathe
with a burning passion; he is the single worst part of AJ for me and I absolutely despise what they did to the character.
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Phoenix-era Phoenix is described as a simpleton by both Godot and Edgeworth, with a genuine desire to help people. He is loyal to the people he trusts, as shown with Edgeworth and Butz, even to a fault. However, he is simultaneously bitterly sarcastic and socially awkward. Of course, dealing with the number of assorted freaks in the PW universe probably doesn't help. Most importantly, he is single-minded. He pursued Edgeworth despite everything he had heard about his old friend and ultimately saved him.
Feenie is similarly loyal to the point that he protects the women who tried to frame him for murder. He is even more simple than PW Phoenix, acting impulsively (shoving Swallow, attacking Mia) and childish. But his fierce loyalty remains the same.
Naruhobo seems to be icy and indifferent; however, playing as him during the Mason System reveals that he is very much the same person. Kristoph notes that he is just as overbearing as ever, and Phoenix makes a point of showing that he is still single-minded. However, he is less naive than before, and is willing to recognize that he is unable to accomplish his goal by conventional means. Phoenix is a bit darker in demeanor but remains the same in core.
Of course, everything I just posted is debatable (and has been for the last 4 pages). Just my two cents.
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Naruhodo A. Wrighto wrote:
I'm probably in the minority who likes Phoenix equally in all of his incarnations. He's a fascinating case-study; like Edgeworth, and to a lesser extent, Maya, Gumshoe and Franzy, he evolves over the story while retaining his basic elements.
seconded!
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Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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. Why? He has a beanie, and he's wonderfully vague, unhelpful and is a closet alcoholic.But
was just adorable. And he had a pink jumper. Not many guys are brave enough to wear pink. And he was just cute :3 Inner monologue = epic win. Honestly, it always made me crack up.But
is the best, in my opinion (for what it's worth...).
Re: Which Phoenix do you prefer?
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At first I was really upset about what they did to Phoenix's character in GS4, but I think
has finally started to grow on me. I agree with the previous poster who said that Phoenix's character has shown great growth, and that he's *fundamentally* the same in all 3 incarnations! And I also agreed with just about everything that Mia_Fey posted. :Dshira_mish wrote:
- I find all of Nick's behavior arrogant. I can't really gives you examples now. That's why he gave me the feeling on 1st case that he got nothing to lose. He was so confident he gave me the feeling that the reason he's there is the nostalgia. It kinda was part of his plan - He'll get Aphlalo to move to his side, he'll get Kristoph in jail, he'll have tons of fan and he'll step his 1st step toward clearing his name. Basicly, you're right, he could've lose his life, but, he is so confident now that he's sure he'll exploit the whole situation to his own benefits.
Okay, COME ON, shira_mish. He's been biding his time carefully for SEVEN YEARS. He's done everything meticulously - gathering evidence, working through the MASON system, and now, finally, he has a chance to clear his name and CONVICT A MURDERER. I think he's allowed to be a teensy bit "arrogant" in this case; the culmination of years of WAITING and SUFFERING has finally come to a close. I think we, as fans, can forgive him being overly excited/confident about finally pushing through with his 7 year plot, right? Have some sympathy for the guy! >_>;
In fact, I'm almost a bit perturbed the the lack of sympathy for GS4 Phoenix in the fandom. People really do judge him by a different standard - he forges ONE piece of evidence to get a PSYCHOTIC MURDERER convicted (while claiming that he'll take all responsibility for the evidence), and everyone has a cow. Yet nobody hates on Franziska or Miles for forging evidence just to help their WIN RECORD, not for EPIC JUSTICE like Phoenix did.
How about a "good job" for the guy who put his neck on the line (by "befriending" Kristoph) to convict the man who murdered his daughter's biological dad, tried to kill Vera & Misham, and strung Klavier along to do his every bidding?
Sheeesh, you people are sure tough on Phoenix! I always thought that the writers put him through WAY too much suffering for him to remain so strong and optimistic, so I have nothing BUT sympathy for the guy. But I guess I just love characters that can't be broken! :)
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silverhalo wrote:
In fact, I'm almost a bit perturbed the the lack of sympathy for GS4 Phoenix in the fandom. People really do judge him by a different standard - he forges ONE piece of evidence to get a PSYCHOTIC MURDERER convicted (while claiming that he'll take all responsibility for the evidence), and everyone has a cow. Yet nobody hates on Franziska or Miles for forging evidence just to help their WIN RECORD, not for EPIC JUSTICE like Phoenix did.
Sheeesh, you people are sure tough on Phoenix! I always thought that the writers put him through WAY too much suffering for him to remain so strong and optimistic, so I have nothing BUT sympathy for the guy.
Sheeesh, you people are sure tough on Phoenix! I always thought that the writers put him through WAY too much suffering for him to remain so strong and optimistic, so I have nothing BUT sympathy for the guy.
Got to agree here. People harshly judge 'Hobo' Phoenix without analysing him in context, probably because the context isn't properly detailed till the end of the game. This was deliberate, but they're kind of risking sacrificing Phoenix's character's reputation..
Spoiler: Forging evidence
The strategy by the writers in promoting the jury system seems to be this: The game practically is Phoenix on trial by 'jury', possibly the intent of the writers in implementing 'positive view of jury systems' requirement is that in the eyes of the black and white current court system, Phoenix is just a guilty evidence-forging fraud, and there's no decisive evidence to prove otherwise. Whereas the true situation is far more complex, and requires the 'shades of grey' analysis that a jurist system could theoretically provide.
Unfortunately, the implementation of this by the writers wasn't exactly optimal, and all their misguided sudden questioning the limited value of evidence and confusion of where reality ended and where the game's 'simulation' began led to muddying the message, compromising Apollo, and making Phoenix look very bad in certain possible interpretations.
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Anyway, they are the same person. Both times are necessary periods of his life, so it really wouldn't be fair to say one is better than the other.
So, I like them both equally (even 3-1 Phoenix :)
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...Either way, he's still Phoenix to me.
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He still is, of course. But I can't help but feel a bit sad that the "spazzy, just-getting-by" lawyer we all know and love changed so much. I know he had too, and I understand why he changed, but I still can't help but miss Lawyer Phoenix! His energetic, dorky self is what I loved about him. That, and the sarcasm monologues, of course.
He was definitely cool in AJ, I'll admit. His personality and the way he handled himself was very collected, and he was truly a clever person. I liked this about him, but at the same time it made me nostalgic. He just seemed so different. Like, his mentality had changed (which it did.)
So, in essence, I like Hobo Phoenix. But, I still prefer Lawyer Phoenix because of his "youthful" personality, to put it in vague terms.
His hat is awesome, though. I would so totally steal it.
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Young!Phoenix was just a total idiot. It was still fun to make him cry
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To me, Hobohodo was just not like himself. I especially don't like that secretive little smile of his and how he acts like some old wise chessmaster. Lawyer Phoenix!
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