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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I still don't understand HOW LeTouse saw Lamiroir. She was in an AIR VENT. You can't see anyone up there, if you're on the floor, especially since he was on the otherside of the room.
Remember that Lamiroir was pretending to not speak the language before the murder and that LeTouse was her translator as well as her manager. Those inside her inner circle knew the truth about her ability to speak the language (and her eyesight as well of course), but Valant was an outsider hired only to do this one magic trick so I have trouble believing they would let him in on such an important and strictly kept secret. Valant would have had to go through LeTouse to tell Lamiroir what she needed to do (and he was the only possibility since Klavier didn't know how the trick was done until the trial). As a result, with the music from Lamiroir's song coming into the room loudly, he would have known that she was likely close enough to have heard a gunshot simply because of the timing from the song and where she had to be at the time for the trick to work. As Ema says, the speakers make it very easy for them to pinpoint the time of the crime and it did for LeTouse as well.
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But, that would be an incredible bit of luck if that's all he based it on.
And luck has never factored into these games before? I'd say closer to a mix of logic and luck which is so typical in these games. They would have had to go over the plan several times because Lamiroir's movements would have had been precise for the plan to work. Perhaps they even ran it a few times while the stage was clear. It would be a gamble, but he knew there was a very good chance that she would have been very nearby at least because of the magic trick (the plan really didn't allow for a lot of leeway, so she would have had to be on top of things or risk screwing up the entire concert which would disappoint all her fans and reveal Valant's trick- neither which would have been acceptable in the circumstances) and a gunshot is a very loud, distinctive noise which tends to carry. Remember it catches on her headset as well and can be heard rather clearly even over the loud music. If she was anywhere nearby, she would have heard a part of it through the grate at least or it would have caught by her headset and mixed in with her vocals which could be checked. Why did he assume she was there? Because based on what he knew was supposed to happen, it only made sense that she would be close at the time and she was the only possible witness. If Lamiroir had been off during the performance then there was nothing to be done, but if things worked like he knew they were supposed to then there was a very good chance that she was nearby and that either she or the headset would catch some part of the crime.
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Logic Sword wrote:
I'm sorry if this has been brought up before...
In 4-3, Klavier says he never repeats a song in the same concert, not even for an encore, yet they play "guilty love" at least twice.
Yes, I know it's being a bit too picky.
In 4-3, Klavier says he never repeats a song in the same concert, not even for an encore, yet they play "guilty love" at least twice.
Yes, I know it's being a bit too picky.
In 4-3, Klavier says he never repeats a song in the same concert, not even for an encore, yet they play "guilty love" at least twice.
that just means that they won't have the same song in two spots on a set.
example:
they play these three songs in the concert
1st song)guilty love
2nd song) something else
3rd song) guilty love(encore)
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And one more that's more silly of me to notice than anything.
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Don't ask me why I noticed the latter of the two. D:
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As to the stamp price issue, my parents are starting to get stamps that are useable no matter what the price is. Maybe it's like that?
Besides it's a commerative stamp. Those things are different than regular stamps...right?
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The part about the glue is very true though; but it might be different if it was on a piece of wax paper or something.
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Maybe the commemorative stamp was along the same lines.
What makes me wonder is why he would send a letter to prison > to someone he knows has been proven a murderer, and actually trust that guy.
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I never got any comments on this, so I invite you to pick apart my conjecture before I send it in.
Well, if she had it facing the right way when she gave him it, it'd be weird for Drew to turn the mug around for no reason, so he would have dranken it in that area.
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What are you talking about, people? That's the guy who abandoned his daughter to a man he had met for the first time the day before. That's the guy who used her to escape, but escaped without her, and don't seem to have even told her he'd be gone and never turn back. How can you say he cares about her?
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Case 3:
(soz, english names..)
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Apollo said that Lamiroir couoldn't be the accomplice, because she was on the elevated stage at the time. But wasn't that Valant, and wasn't she actually crawling underground at that time?? The guitar sets on fire just after 'she' misses her word, and obviously that's because she was crawling underground and hears the gunshot!!
..I don't get this, although, I guess if she was the accomplice then her whole testimony about Daryan would have been fake, and Apollo's case would be kinda finished...but still..
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's (and by I mean 
puppeteering ) point about why 
thought the cards on the table were blue was that he didn't know two colors of cards were being used and that he just swapped in a card from the floor. But this only makes sense if he never once looked at the color of the back of the blood-stained card he took before disposing of it, which is ridiculous. Also, the hands were red while the deck in the crime scene photo was blue! WTF IS UP WITH THIS CASE? Little oversights like this leave me with a bad taste in my mouth instead of being able to enjoy the coolness of the game.AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON SHADI
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Well this is an actual contradiction, unless I'm wrong..
Case 3:
(soz, english names..)
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Apollo said that Lamiroir couoldn't be the accomplice, because she was on the elevated stage at the time. But wasn't that Valant, and wasn't she actually crawling underground at that time?? The guitar sets on fire just after 'she' misses her word, and obviously that's because she was crawling underground and hears the gunshot!!
..I don't get this, although, I guess if she was the accomplice then her whole testimony about Daryan would have been fake, and Apollo's case would be kinda finished...but still..
Case 3:
(soz, english names..)
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Apollo said that Lamiroir couoldn't be the accomplice, because she was on the elevated stage at the time. But wasn't that Valant, and wasn't she actually crawling underground at that time?? The guitar sets on fire just after 'she' misses her word, and obviously that's because she was crawling underground and hears the gunshot!!
..I don't get this, although, I guess if she was the accomplice then her whole testimony about Daryan would have been fake, and Apollo's case would be kinda finished...but still..
Apollo's point wasn't that Lamiroir couldn't be the accomplice because she was on the stage, it was that she couldn't be the accomplice because the guitar was on the stage. Being in the ventilation shaft put her out of the range where she could have activated the igniter, because Klavier was standing with the guitar on the raised part at the time.
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Speaking of LeTouse's death, shouldn't Apollo have been severely traumatized by it? I mean, he was right there, in the presence of a dying man, listening to his last words, and WATCHING HIM DIE, unable to do anything. He then allowed the body to be stolen out from under him, and then he found it, posed, 30 feet in the air.
You'd think it would have a more profound effect on him than it did.
You'd think it would have a more profound effect on him than it did.
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I still say that the fact that Polly is still psychologically intact after LeTouse's death contradicts the fact that he's a weenie.
Maybe you give Apollo less credit than you should.
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What: In the beginning, Klavier says that the only instruments on stage for Lamirior's song were him on guitar, and Machi on Piano.
Then later, he says there was a bassist and someone else (I think a drummer) for a total of five on stage (including Lamirior).
So, which is it, Herr Prosecutor?
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Best explanation is he just forgot :] They aren't exactly stand-out characters, as they probably only appeared once in that flashy animation at the start of 4-3 but are merely shadows.
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As for case4 we are trying an entirely new system, that's the jurist system. The verdict is not longer decided by Herr Judge but by the 12 selected jurists (in this case, us as players). However, if we make mistakes and receive penalties as usual, after eventually our whole lifebar is consumed, the Judge still decides by himself that "The defence's case is insufficient to overturn the prosecution's claim" and hands down the GUILTY verdict, as if the jurist system is completely neglected.
I had been wondering whether it would be the group of jurists announcing their verdict instead, but it turned out the Judge still rules the verdict.
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Auror wrote:
OK, I hope this hasn't been brought up yet. A minor one, anyway.
As for case4 we are trying an entirely new system, that's the jurist system. The verdict is not longer decided by Herr Judge but by the 12 selected jurists (in this case, us as players). However, if we make mistakes and receive penalties as usual, after eventually our whole lifebar is consumed, the Judge still decides by himself that "The defence's case is insufficient to overturn the prosecution's claim" and hands down the GUILTY verdict, as if the jurist system is completely neglected.
I had been wondering whether it would be the group of jurists announcing their verdict instead, but it turned out the Judge still rules the verdict.
As for case4 we are trying an entirely new system, that's the jurist system. The verdict is not longer decided by Herr Judge but by the 12 selected jurists (in this case, us as players). However, if we make mistakes and receive penalties as usual, after eventually our whole lifebar is consumed, the Judge still decides by himself that "The defence's case is insufficient to overturn the prosecution's claim" and hands down the GUILTY verdict, as if the jurist system is completely neglected.
I had been wondering whether it would be the group of jurists announcing their verdict instead, but it turned out the Judge still rules the verdict.
First of all, it's six jurors in this case, but second of all, I think they just skip over the scene..
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x- Machi couldn't shoot Letouse because the gun type would have probably broken his arm (if it only dislocated Daryan's shoulder then its powerful, considering Daryan is twice Machi's size)
x- There is confusion how Letouse could have even known Lamiroir was in the vent at one moment
x- We got absolutely NO explanation as to why Machi or Daryan needed money (from stealing the cocoon) as both are musical icons and probably have more than enough money to their names
x- How the hell Lamiroir got to Borginia
x- Valant vanishing from the stage
x- Why Letouse couldn't just take down Daryan himself (he is bigger than Daryan by height and probably even by strength). Or how exactly he got his gun stolen by Daryan
x- How Machi could have moved Letouse's body to the stage and then suddenly be found unconscious himself.
x- How the body could have been moved from the crime scene to BEGIN with (because Lami, Trucy and Apollo were together when Machi left) and Ema was around the area. There was no way she couldn't have seen a giant corpse being moved by a small kid (and maybe Daryan)
Seriously, pointing out contradictions in 4-3 doesn't have any merit because the case itself would NEVER have gotten a legible trial in our world (see the first example. If Apollo was smart he would have pointed out right away in EVERYONES faces how Machi couldn't have done the crime because doing so would break his arm. Not to mention how he moved LeTouse to the stage)
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4-1 opening scene - we find Drew Misham (isn't it Vera with the mad drawing skills?) sketching the scene of the poker game between Hobo Nick and Shadi. This implies that the sketch is happening as events unfold, although I'm willing to let that one go down under 'artistic license by the animator'.
4-4 - Apollo, Trucy and Ema scan the pictures to reveal the three sketches of the previous three cases, to much confusion. Later, Drew Misham notes Phoenix's name and says something about keeping an eye on him.
HOWEVER! I'm confused as to why no one questioned WHY he sketched the cases on canvas, and HOW he knew about them, and why he was covering Apollo's cases anyway. My brain hurts. >.<
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but this is something I just don't get.
4-1 opening scene - we find Drew Misham (isn't it Vera with the mad drawing skills?) sketching the scene of the poker game between Hobo Nick and Shadi. This implies that the sketch is happening as events unfold, although I'm willing to let that one go down under 'artistic license by the animator'.
4-4 - Apollo, Trucy and Ema scan the pictures to reveal the three sketches of the previous three cases, to much confusion. Later, Drew Misham notes Phoenix's name and says something about keeping an eye on him.
HOWEVER! I'm confused as to why no one questioned WHY he sketched the cases on canvas, and HOW he knew about them, and why he was covering Apollo's cases anyway. My brain hurts. >.<
4-1 opening scene - we find Drew Misham (isn't it Vera with the mad drawing skills?) sketching the scene of the poker game between Hobo Nick and Shadi. This implies that the sketch is happening as events unfold, although I'm willing to let that one go down under 'artistic license by the animator'.
4-4 - Apollo, Trucy and Ema scan the pictures to reveal the three sketches of the previous three cases, to much confusion. Later, Drew Misham notes Phoenix's name and says something about keeping an eye on him.
HOWEVER! I'm confused as to why no one questioned WHY he sketched the cases on canvas, and HOW he knew about them, and why he was covering Apollo's cases anyway. My brain hurts. >.<
I think he might have heard that Phoenix was the defendant, and still kept to his promise. He probably heard Polly's name during the trial, and kept an eye on him then.
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Here's something I've been wondering about, sorry if it's been covered:
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I think he might have heard that Phoenix was the defendant, and still kept to his promise. He probably heard Polly's name during the trial, and kept an eye on him then.
I guess.. it just really bugs me that it's not explained properly. The characters go 'OMG, the sketches are of the cases!' and then dismiss the whole idea completely.
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FinchUK wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I think he might have heard that Phoenix was the defendant, and still kept to his promise. He probably heard Polly's name during the trial, and kept an eye on him then.
I guess.. it just really bugs me that it's not explained properly. The characters go 'OMG, the sketches are of the cases!' and then dismiss the whole idea completely.
Well, maybe they just left it at "Drew as a stalker?"
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