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BSRaven wrote:
But if you're never shown which jurist says what, and you don't see the Jurist Influence value... you might also assume that different jurists are calling Guilty every time...
But the game could be like:
What? One GUILTY again? This case was solved yesterday! Who is this jurist?Baliff: Your Honor, it's Jurist No. 3.
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I just remembered something. Wouldn't there be... a Majority Verdict if that happened more than once?
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BSRaven wrote:
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I just remembered something. Wouldn't there be... a Majority Verdict if that happened more than once?
I just remembered something. Wouldn't there be... a Majority Verdict if that happened more than once?
Maybe in our law system there is, but in their law system...
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Which is my point. After all, wouldn't they want to go with what the majority of the people think? Therefore, if an unanimous verdict cannot be reached, wouldn't it make sense to go by majority?
Plus, I recall Phoenix saying somewhere in 4-4 that "They're reviving the old system". If the 'old system' is modern law, then wouldn't reviving it incorporate majority verdicts as well?
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BSRaven wrote:
We don't know.
Which is my point. After all, wouldn't they want to go with what the majority of the people think? Therefore, if an unanimous verdict cannot be reached, wouldn't it make sense to go by majority?
Plus, I recall Phoenix saying somewhere in 4-4 that "They're reviving the old system". If the 'old system' is modern law, then wouldn't reviving it incorporate majority verdicts as well?
Which is my point. After all, wouldn't they want to go with what the majority of the people think? Therefore, if an unanimous verdict cannot be reached, wouldn't it make sense to go by majority?
Plus, I recall Phoenix saying somewhere in 4-4 that "They're reviving the old system". If the 'old system' is modern law, then wouldn't reviving it incorporate majority verdicts as well?
He also said that they were making key changes.
Also, I think that a majority jury vote would not cut it for them. They constantly prolong cases because of the smallest doubts with the old system. Wouldn't it be the same for the Jurist system?
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
BSRaven wrote:
We don't know.
Which is my point. After all, wouldn't they want to go with what the majority of the people think? Therefore, if an unanimous verdict cannot be reached, wouldn't it make sense to go by majority?
Plus, I recall Phoenix saying somewhere in 4-4 that "They're reviving the old system". If the 'old system' is modern law, then wouldn't reviving it incorporate majority verdicts as well?
Which is my point. After all, wouldn't they want to go with what the majority of the people think? Therefore, if an unanimous verdict cannot be reached, wouldn't it make sense to go by majority?
Plus, I recall Phoenix saying somewhere in 4-4 that "They're reviving the old system". If the 'old system' is modern law, then wouldn't reviving it incorporate majority verdicts as well?
He also said that they were making key changes.
Also, I think that a majority jury vote would not cut it for them. They constantly prolong cases because of the smallest doubts with the old system. Wouldn't it be the same for the Jurist system?
Got me there...
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KennyRock wrote:
More generally, I'd like it if the Jurists, rather than the prosecution, asked you to prove or clarify something. Imagine the Judge going: "Mr. Justice, I have a question from the Jurists. Can you explain WHY the witness couldn't have seen the defendant that night?" And then the prosecutor going, "Ah-HA! I'd like to know that too."
I guess one more idea is this: What if you can pick when to rest your case? You get to a point, and you think you've shown all the evidence possible, and want to leave it up to the Jurists? But if you rest too early, you get a guilty verdict back? Now THAT would be a brand new dynamic and make the game a little less linear. Imagine if there's a whole other day of investigating that you only get to if you keep trudging forward and refuse to rest your case in Day 2?
I guess one more idea is this: What if you can pick when to rest your case? You get to a point, and you think you've shown all the evidence possible, and want to leave it up to the Jurists? But if you rest too early, you get a guilty verdict back? Now THAT would be a brand new dynamic and make the game a little less linear. Imagine if there's a whole other day of investigating that you only get to if you keep trudging forward and refuse to rest your case in Day 2?
Both of those ideas sound brilliant. The one thing I dislike about the series is how linear it is. Perhaps even you could have longer wrong-route sequences for each wrong piece of evidence you present at a certain point? Of course you'd still be penalised and have to choose something else, but it'd be nice nonetheless. For example:
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Klavier: Well? Do you have any evidence to prove that the witness was at the crime scene?
Apollo presents FOOTPRINTS. Take that!
Apollo: These footprints left quite an impression in the mud near the north entrance of the amusement zone.
Judge: But ... aren't those the defendant's footprints?
Klavier: *some air guitar* My point exactly.
Judge: I'm afraid I'm going to have to penalise you for your false ... something.
Apollo: (Dammit!)
Apollo presents FOOTPRINTS. Take that!
Apollo: These footprints left quite an impression in the mud near the north entrance of the amusement zone.
Judge: But ... aren't those the defendant's footprints?
Klavier: *some air guitar* My point exactly.
Judge: I'm afraid I'm going to have to penalise you for your false ... something.
Apollo: (Dammit!)
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PhoenixTears wrote:
Well... Unless capcom bases this game in the past, they will use the jurist system where you can choose weather they're innocent or guilty sssoooo....
In this game will it just be easy cases because you can choose whether you win or not?
In this game will it just be easy cases because you can choose whether you win or not?
Well what would be really cool is if they have implemented a thing where depending how well you do you'll get a different ending. I had an idea, but then I realized it couldnt work. They could make the new court system very interesting next game though.
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"Wait, seriously? Who would be idiotic enough to say "Guilty" if it would make them lose?"
But after a bit of reflection, I think I figured it out. Phoenix picked the perfect case to introduce the Jurist System, because without it, an innocent person would have been convicted, and it wouldn't even have been Apollo's fault- it would have been Kristoph's, because he refused to play by the rules, which was a flaw in the previous system- if one person, just one person, decided that they didn't want to play fair, then the innocent could get convicted.
After realizing that, really, I don't think anyone in the PW world would care to go back to the original system.
Therefore, the Jurist System most likely will continue. Who knows how it'll work out.
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Ha ha, jury system, who needs evidence?
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divinityx wrote:
Rookie wrote:
They either need to scrap the 'Jurist' system entirely, or seriously revamp it. Because after going through an epic trial with turnabouts, being cornered and getting out of it, pining your opponent down, watching them squirm out of it, and then pin them down again being given a "Do you want to win?" choice is very anti-climatic.
and it would take a real idiot to push "guilty"
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On the one hand we have:
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"Come one everyone! Look at this guy! He's a total Ass-Hole! We're almost sure he did it." "Tough luck isn't it?"
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"Buck up." / "It's time to turn this case around!"*Epicness ensues"
Killer: "And I would have gotten away with it too. If it hadn't been for that meddling attorney!"
/ "Come one everyone! Look at this guy! He's a total asshole! He might just have done it!" Jurist 3: "That's true! He is a jerk."
Jurist 5: "His accent is silly!"
Jurist 6: "Totally. And look at clothes, who dresses like that?"
Jurist 1: "Actually..."
Jurist 6: "Besides the witnesses... and the attorneys..."
Jurist 1: "Good Point. Guilty!"
Killer: "That jury... They weren't very nice..."
See? It's just not as dramatic.
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We are NOT (I repeat: NOT) going to get to pick Guilty/Not Guilty again. The ONLY reason we were able to do so was in order to find out about Jurist No.6. (someone already said this, and they were spot on.) Now, there might be a branching storyline. However, the only way I can see this working is: Case 1 thru 3 are all the same. The outcome of Case 3 gets one out of two possible Case 4s. (You would get the other by beating the Case 4 you picked, which would become Case 5.) However, either both Case 4s would need to end with everything the same way, or one would have to be non-canon (and it would be totally crazy, whacked out, and obvious to everyone that it was.)
They may or may not keep the Jurist System at all. A country would not completely change their legal system after trying a single case with it. They could always say, "Sure, yours went well, but all the others failed so we're not switching." Although the best scenario would be if they gave each criminal a choice to have a jury or not, so Capcom could pick the system to best fit the case.
I think they'll make some minor changes (maybe instead of getting penalties, you'll lose favor with the jury, and add a new section to the court phase where the jury asks you questions) but overall everything will remain the same.
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1-Each jurist has it's own life bar, and you will check it touching a button (see image at the end)
2-Instead of only losing life during trials (and only "refilling" them when unlocking psyche-locks, as I know
), the life bars would refill during the trial, as you convince the jury that the defendant is not guilty, like: :Can you present evidence proving that the defendant wasn't doing *insert action* at the time of the murder? : 
Here it is!*Jurist 3's life bar refilled 20%*
3-Each jurist has its own personalities that reflect at how much life you lose or refill. Like: jurist 1 is very severe and doesn't accept mistakes. You lose 35% of life when you present wrong evidence at a "normal" testimony (the first ones) and it only refills when you present very decisive evidence, but jurist 2 is more "forgivable" and you barely lose life (5-10%)when presenting wrong evidence at a "normal" testimony but it refills at almost all times you show a contradiction.
4-A empty life bar doesn't mean Game Over: unless you can make every jurist think the defendant is guilty (emptying their life bars), you can refill empty life bars at decisive moments (when you present decisive evidence, for example), so you don't have to be very scared when a life bar is empty.
5-Decisive testimonies and parts value more: As it should, presenting wrong evidence at the decisive moment will make you lose more life, but doing the right thing will make the bars refill faster.
6-50% of life bar or more mean the jurist will vote "Not Guilty", 49% or less means "Guilty". And probably, if put on this way, the veredict would have to be decided from the majority of votes, but if we have a tie it would be decided seeing if the "Not Guilty" jurist's bars full % is bigger than the "Guilty" jurist's bars empty %.
Images that I made:
(sorry for any english mistakes and for the size of the explanation)
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