Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
True love is forever.
Gender: Female
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:55 am
Posts: 2182
Proud Supporter of Phoenix/Iris, Ron/Dessie, Klavier/Ema, and Apollo/Vera
Fanfics Updated-12/25
Fanfics Updated-12/25
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Soooooo not a Nazi!
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:54 pm
Posts: 284
= awesomeness
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: None specified
Location: Missouri, US
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:35 am
Posts: 111
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Fancase Maker
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:47 pm
Posts: 274
Second game? I'd say Mimi over Acro. In the end, Regina seems to have entirely forgiven Acro - though that may make the ache worse for him - and he still has some hope that his brother will wake. Mimi, on the other hand, has lost her sister, her job, her face, and her freedom.
Third game? Godot. Tears of blood.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Thick and Professional
Gender: Male
Location: Baltimore
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:09 am
Posts: 166
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Ayup, ayup
Gender: Female
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:53 pm
Posts: 75
Faced with the terribleness of seeing his life's endeavor poured down the drain...brutal.
*holds up shield before she is shot* I WAS KIDDING!
Geez, that has to be one of the craziest ideas I've ever come up with.
No, but really? Yanni Yogi. I bet Manfred von Karma brainwashed him or something.
Single and daughter to Syke y Ayasato and nintendofreak...ayup...
...ayup.
...ayup.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Soooooo not a Nazi!
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:54 pm
Posts: 284
brainwashes EVERYONE.
= awesomeness
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Weeeeeee!!!!!
Gender: Male
Location: Back to making donuts and slides everywhere...
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:16 am
Posts: 488
"In their desperation, they turn to a man that they didn't fully understand. Some men aren't looking into something logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the whole world burn."
Villains are just that. People that other people can't fully understand them. What makes them become bad/good/evil is all speculation which is our opinions essentially.There are always two sides of the coin and the thin edge of reason between them all that binds the two together. That's the reason why I never like stereotyping people into the good or bad sides but rather the collective grey in between. Everyone can be both good AND evil at the same time. Hero or villain just depends on your point of view and the choices you/he/she makes.
I can easily argue that Manfred is both a hero and villain. He's a hero in the eyes of Franziska (being her father and all) but also a villain from our point of view during the DL-6 incident case. He makes the simple guilty sentence into being the right choice for his eyes, regardless of what anyone else thinks. He takes his pursuit of justice almost to the brink of insanity which what we ALL want to see. We have no idea on what he was before but that's the point of being logical. Sometimes, it's impossible to be logical at all and hence, they just want to see the whole world burn.
Gant is similar and as well as Matt. Even Dahlia to some degree share this. Every villain in our eyes may be a hero to others. Lana sees Gant as a role model (abeit a twisted and sick one...) and Matt with his mask to the public. Dahlia does this to Iris which is the only person who she can trust.
So next time you think who's good and evil, think about the impossible and turn that into the possible...
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Narumitsu > All
Gender: Female
Location: In my own world <333
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:34 pm
Posts: 432
wins.Such a tragic character and yet he still keeps the act on. TwT
*tackles Godot*
Godot: o.o
I LUFF YOU GODOT!!! T____T
Godot: Um...thank you? o.o;
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: Female
Location: Toronto, Canada
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:06 am
Posts: 12
Godot is also a pretty tragic figure~ Even more tragic if he was actually executed after case 3-5 ;o;
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: Male
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:00 am
Posts: 106
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:25 am
Posts: 3541
Quote:
It was her own damn fault that those 14 patients died
Of course it was, and she's well aware of it, but she certainly didn't intend to kill them. It was a mistake; a very, very costly one, but still a mistake. Same way she didn't intend to fall asleep at the wheel and get her little sister killed in a car crash. Try imagining how horrible it would feel to have 15 deaths in what, two weeks? on your conscience, and for shits and giggles, throw in the fact that you have your very identity roasted away in the ensuing fire. I'm having trouble picturing it myself.
Quote:
she tried to spread misinformation as Ini that Grey had worked her too hard or that he drugged Mimi with sleeping pills
There's no evidence at all that Mimi was behind those rumors (if that's what they were), and the likelihood she was is extremely low. Mimi wanted to get away from her old life, not get petty revenge on Dr. Grey by spreading lies that would hurt his business.
Quote:
If Maya had failed to channel his "dead" nurse, I think she would have blamed her lack of skillz over "oh noes, she really isn't dead."
Maya was a famous spirit medium and the future Master of the Kurain Technique. Even if it was to be her first "official" channelling, there was no reason she wouldn't have been able to perform a simple task like that. Besides, Mimi doesn't know Maya so saying she thought Maya would blame her lack of ability is pretty ridiculous and not a risk she could take.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: Male
Rank: Desk Jockey
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:00 am
Posts: 106
Quote:
There's no evidence at all that Mimi was behind those rumors (if that's what they were), and the likelihood she was is extremely low. Mimi wanted to get away from her old life, not get petty revenge on Dr. Grey by spreading lies that would hurt his business.
Who else would it be? The survivor of the car wreck...the one that had last talked to her "sister"...even if say, the tabloids, created them, she continued to spread them by repeating them, especially with the latest rounds that we saw while playing the game. Also, what is the speculation about Ini and Grey? Had they corresponded before the wreck and so Mimi was forced to continue the correspondence after she stole her sister's identity?
Quote:
Maya was a famous spirit medium and the future Master of the Kurain Technique. Even if it was to be her first "official" channelling, there was no reason she wouldn't have been able to perform a simple task like that. Besides, Mimi doesn't know Maya so saying she thought Maya would blame her lack of ability is pretty ridiculous and not a risk she could take.
I've never actually participated in any debates regarding what-ifs, but I would like to be enlightened on what others have thought what would have happened if Maya tried to channel Mimi and could only channel Ini. I concede that months have passed since 1-4 and that we don't know the extent of how much better Maya is now, so any assumptions of her powers based on PW:AA are not well-founded.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Soooooo not a Nazi!
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:54 pm
Posts: 284
is a more sympathetic villain. DL-6 threw his life away, and Manny sent him the letter that infleuenced him to kill Hammond. I believe that after all those years of being alone he actually did go somewhat crazy, and he couldn't help himself.
= awesomeness
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Hold it!...thanks
Gender: Female
Location: Behind you
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:00 am
Posts: 10
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Ruler of Lowát
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 am
Posts: 269
Don't ignore meeeeeeeee!Oh yeah! Ron Delite, just think, he was becoming what the woman he loved most hated, for her sake, because after all, love makes you evil.
If it wasn't for his tacked on happy ending Ron would most likely fit this bill quite well.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:25 am
Posts: 3541
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Ruler of Lowát
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 am
Posts: 269
Quote:
I usually define a villain as someone who knowingly does bad things despite knowing that they're wrong.
Grand Larceny? Selling company secrets? Lieing to his wife? Sure we see him in a sympatric light in game but Mask*DeMasque is a villain.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Desert rose, why do you live alone?
Gender: Male
Location: Fife, WA
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:13 pm
Posts: 858
DarknessLord wrote:
If I may quote Mia Fey
Grand Larceny? Selling company secrets? Lieing to his wife? Sure we see him in a sympatric light in game but Mask*DeMasque is a villain.
Quote:
I usually define a villain as someone who knowingly does bad things despite knowing that they're wrong.
Grand Larceny? Selling company secrets? Lieing to his wife? Sure we see him in a sympatric light in game but Mask*DeMasque is a villain.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/villain
Quote:
vil·lain /ˈvɪlən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vil-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.
–noun
1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.
Ron may be a criminal, but he's not a villain.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Ruler of Lowát
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 am
Posts: 269
Also from you own source, somthing you didn't quote.
Quote:
villain
noun
1. a wicked or evil person; someone who does evil deliberately
2. the principal bad character in a film or work of fiction
noun
1. a wicked or evil person; someone who does evil deliberately
2. the principal bad character in a film or work of fiction
He's doing it intentionally, even after he's being blackmailed, he still thinks it's a good thing, because he gets the plans in the mail, despite knowing what he's doing is wrong.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Desert rose, why do you live alone?
Gender: Male
Location: Fife, WA
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:13 pm
Posts: 858
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: Male
Location: England
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 931
PLEEEEEEASE DON'T CALL ME A VILLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN!Ron's a hero! He stood up to armed robbers all by himself, despite the fact that he's afraid of everything. The only action in any of the games that's comparable is Nick running across the burning bridge.
If we count him as a villain, then Godot.
If not, Acro.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Soooooo not a Nazi!
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:54 pm
Posts: 284
Phoenix broke into Gant's safe.
Franzie whips people (and it makes them bleed too)
Lana messed with evidence and stabbed a dead body
Hotti has probably raped twenty thousand patients
Glen Elg made the MC Bomber virus.
I could think of more if I tried, but I don't really feel like it.
= awesomeness
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Alita x Wocky FTW!!
Gender: Male
Location: Bintaro, Indonesia
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:42 am
Posts: 182
Let a prosecutor whips witnesses who should be protected..
Spoiler: "3rd game"
Many witnesses do perjuries..deliberately
I love Angel Starr!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
this is the final cut
Gender: Female
Location: new jersey
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Thu May 22, 2008 1:31 am
Posts: 197
Godot ... well he's been mentioned a billion times already, but really his entire story is just really sad. The end of 3-5 with the whole "these must be my tears" almost made me cry.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Super Ace Attorney
Gender: Male
Location: USA
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:33 pm
Posts: 968
Jesus is Lord.
Death Note is awesome.
"No, this is a reasonable discussion about pillow humping." -Tinker
Death Note is awesome.
"No, this is a reasonable discussion about pillow humping." -Tinker
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Julia...<3
Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Mostly human
Gender: Male
Location: Blighty, old chum.
Rank: Moderators
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:50 pm
Posts: 1138
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: Male
Location: England
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 931
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Julia...<3Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Mistress Game Master
Gender: Female
Location: Glasgow, with My BFFL Adam Smith
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:29 am
Posts: 1798
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
She says the kidnapping was to get revenge for the way their father treated their mother. That was when she was pretending to be Iris, though...
Now I'm imagine little Dahlia and Iris being pulled apart at the temple and their father driving off and Iris running after them and Dollie trying to reach for her through the back window and oh god
Now I'm imagine little Dahlia and Iris being pulled apart at the temple and their father driving off and Iris running after them and Dollie trying to reach for her through the back window and oh god
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
Fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan...DD:
Signature and avatar by Mme. Vicki.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Julia...<3Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Mistress Game Master
Gender: Female
Location: Glasgow, with My BFFL Adam Smith
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:29 am
Posts: 1798
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Dollie probably just had a fight with Iris and said she didn't want to see her anymore or something, and since their father didn't really want them anyway, he took that as a reason to dump Rissy off at Hazakura. No father who gave a damn about his daughters would abandon one just because the other asked him to do it.
Signature and avatar by Mme. Vicki.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Julia...<3Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:25 am
Posts: 3541
DahliaXKristoph wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
She says the kidnapping was to get revenge for the way their father treated their mother. That was when she was pretending to be Iris, though...
Now I'm imagine little Dahlia and Iris being pulled apart at the temple and their father driving off and Iris running after them and Dollie trying to reach for her through the back window and oh god
Now I'm imagine little Dahlia and Iris being pulled apart at the temple and their father driving off and Iris running after them and Dollie trying to reach for her through the back window and oh god
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
Fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan...DD:
Braidhead Twins: The real "Tragic or TRAGIC?".
PA: He did take them for that reason. I'm still not holding an eight-year-old responsible for "convincing" her father to dump her sister in the mountains. That's just silly even by Ace Attorney standards.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Julia...<3Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: Male
Location: England
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 931
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
On top of Valant, I think I'm adding Vasquez to my list...
I have a lot of trouble feeling any sympathy for Vasquez. She could have just gone to the police as soon as she killed Hammer and said it was self-defence, but no - she has to frame Powers, one of the most genuinely nice people in the series.
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Salutation Here wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
On top of Valant, I think I'm adding Vasquez to my list...
I have a lot of trouble feeling any sympathy for Vasquez. She could have just gone to the police as soon as she killed Hammer and said it was self-defence, but no - she has to frame Powers, one of the most genuinely nice people in the series.
True, but I have a feeling that Manuel was infatuated with her, and her, him.
Julia...<3Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Gender: None specified
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:25 am
Posts: 3541
Re: Who do you think is....(ENORMOUS SERIES SPOILERS)
Bronze Samurai
Gender: Male
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:58 pm
Posts: 1711
Julia...<3Related to NaturallyLazy, fatalfeline, JadeRoach, and Game Over!
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
News
Site map
SitemapIndex
RSS Feed