I haven't played the first game since I first played it, but I don't understand how Mia could have been Gregory's student. I thought Mia was studying under Grossberg.

But playing through 3-5, I found something that Edgey said that could be of interest to this thread:


So Edgeworth did meet Misty in the aftermath of DL-6. What do you think happened during their meeting?

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to get him that mad you'd have to be wearing a "i hate cravats" t-shirt

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Well, I've heard a lot of crazy theories (most of which were my own...) but I've gotta say... this one I agree with 100%!
I have noticed similarities between them as well (more then just the hair colour). I'm not sure whether this was something intentional or not, but still...
I'm not sure if this could be some idea Capcom have had at the back of their minds or not, but it could be possible.
I believe Perfect Prosecutor holds the answers! XD

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To be honest, I never noticed the hair color thing before...but it's true.

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I don't know, but Grossberg did say it. Go figure.

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/epicbump

That is really odd, Gummy, because Gregory died over ten years before Mia became a lawyer. Maybe Grossberg meant that he inspired her to become a lawyer? Or maybe Gregory never died! Or Misty's been channelling this whole time! Mia can time travel! New crack theories ftw!

And since I asked it before to no response:


This sort of discussion is what this thread's about.

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That was when Misty channelled Gregory -- they must have spoke. Here's something interesting that may or may not be relevant:
In 3-4, if you look at Diego's profile, it says that she and Diego are rivals. In 1-4, it highly implies that Grossburg and Gregory were rivals. Mia was twelve as of DL-6, so she couldn't already be studying law (she's not a Karma, after all ). There is a picture of the Grossburg law firm as of when Larry, Edgey and Phoenix were friends (when Mia was twelve) that has a young Diego with them -- and so people have guessed that Diego was a young intern there as a side job when he was a teen. Mia hadn't done any cases before 3-4, but they must have known each other. Maybe Mia worked for Gregory, so Mia and Diego met when she was twelve in the courtroom lobby or something. As the young assistants to rivals, the rivalry would carry over.
Mia is from Kurain Village, which is two hours away from where Gregory lived and worked (we can assume). She couldn't have commuted two hours for a job after school. But, what if she had lived with ? This would only be possible if GREGORY IS MIA'S DAD!

Yes, I know that's not the name of this forum, but if Gregory and Misty had one kid, why couldn't also be theirs?

Also:
When Mia showed up in 1-2, Edgeworth didn't really mind; it's as if he was expecting it. He acts less vicious once she comes back with Phoenix and allows himself to lose. They could have talked when Phoenix fainted.

In 3-4 they insult each other in a way that seems way too much like siblings:)

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In 3-4 I don't think they acknowledge knowing each other. Mia even makes a comment about Edgeworth being cute (which I interpreted in a way that would be creepy if they were brother & sister 0_o).

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I didn't notice that . I didn't mean that they actually acknowledged each other -- I was referring to their lack of introductions and the way that they just started insulting each other like they knew each other -- why would strangers go at each others throats so quickly for no reason? That would be almost as creepy.

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I don't think Gregory could possibly be Mia's dad...

but the original theory of this thread sounds very plausible.

Especially since there was something Edgeworth said in 3-5 which gave me the impression he had more ties to Kurain and the channelling/greater impact on his life than originally implied in game 1.

Another theory, is that Edgeworth's mother was some Fey other than Misty [no, not Morgan. Some deceased Fey, maybe a branch family member], hence Misty taking a special interest in the whole Gregory Edgeworth saga. Personally I think this is the most reasonable idea. Maya and Mia knew their mother before she 'disappeared', and I don't think she would have had zero contact with Miles if she was his mother.

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@Marshmello: Maybe I interpreted what he said wrong.....I'm playing 1-4 over again, so if it's there, I'll update. If not, I'll ave to check 1-2......It's in one of them.....

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Hm... I don't remember him saying anything about Mia being Gregory's student, and I've replayed both 1-2 and 1-4 quite recently. o_o
So... I just looked up the dialog from 1-4 and did find that Grossberg actually said this at one point:

Was this what you were referring to? o_o...?

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Yes, I think so......Did I interpret it wrong?

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I thought the whole 'Only you can see the Psyche-Locks' thing was because Nick met the requirement, the Magatama was charged and there were Psyche-Locks around. Pearl didn't have the Psyche-Lock, nor Ini, therefore... "Only you can see the Psyche-Locks, Mr. Nick."

That may contradict with 3-3, but that case doesn't matter Nick has been using the Magatama for nearly a year and a half at that point, right? The Magatama may believe that Nick can be the owner, and know what's good for it etc.

Because Magatama=sentient. You all know it.

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I see where your coming from, B.M. The Magatama always confused me with how much mystical awesomeness it had... So then, still, why was Edgeworth able to use it? (This is getting a bit OT... I just like talking aboot the Magatama)

And I have good news, everyone! The Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Official Casebook vol 1 is coming out around September, and according to the Previews catalogue:

Previews promises that Edgeworth is a main character, and that more of his 'rich back story' will be revealed. If GK doesn't say anything about Gregory/Misty, maybe the Casebook will. And since the manga is published by Capcom, it will be officially canon!

Let's all get our hopes up!

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YES! think that's the manga my friend is buying for me for my birthday! :D I thought it was just a bunch of dojin.

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This is a really good theory.

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This is officially my new headcanon. I may even write a fanfiction piece for it at some point...

Also, I kind of figure that by following that logic, Papa Edgeworth is also Mia and Maya's father. I know some people disagree, but it might explain why Mia decided to become a defence attorney of all things, right? Think about it: Maya says that she left the mountain to pursue the one who ruined her mother's reputation and drove her into hiding out of shame. In that case, wouldn't the career of a prosecuting attorney make more sense? She would have a much wider access to resources, the DL-6 case files, not to mention the power to bring the person who did it to justice (since it's apparent in her case files from 1-2 that she knew it was Redd White and was gathering evidence of blackmail against him; granted, we don't know when she held the mentioned 'audience with the dead', but still). So why choose a career as a defence attorney? Maybe she remembered a few vague memories of her father and, much like her little brother, decided to be like him...?

Not to mention that Maya says (if you give a certain response in 1-2 about how she can help) that law runs in her blood. I know the writers probably just meant it as a funny moment in a pretty serious situation, but I like to think that she was actually subconsciously remembering something her sister said about their father... X3

Plus, I think I have a possible explanation as to, if Gregory was her father and had an on-going relationship with Misty, why Mia didn't appear to recognise Miles when she met him. As I imagine it, when Miles was born, they both realised that it would be best if he grew up outside the village, the reasons being that as a male he wouldn't have any spiritual power and likely be outcast and demeaned for it his entire life, not to mention probably be used as a pawn in the constant infighting and power plays within the clan as well. So they agreed that Gregory would the village and cover up their connections (he was a very sharp guy, since he managed to go up against Manfred von Karma and do some decent damage so I think he could manage it without leaving much of a paper trail). However, they did keep in contact, resulting in the birth of Maya. So obviously Mia wouldn't recognise him, being about three at the time they left, and Miles being no more than a few months old.

Knitting together the holes in this theory: my preferred excuse reason why nobody in Kurain knew about it was because the Master never performed channellings whilst pregnant (possibly dangerous for the child, plus, ew, creepy) and instead usually went away for a while to one of the branch temples (maybe Hazakurain?) to give birth without the stress of her responsibilities, which could cause complications. When she gave birth to Miles, as Master she could have ordered- or, if Bikini was there at the time (she'd be about twenty-one at the time, so it's possible, and seemed pretty nice) asked the midwife and the nuns there to keep quiet, and claim to those in Kurain that there were complications and a miscarriage or something. Yes, that's pretty far to go, but mothers will do anything to protect their children, and Misty clearly loved hers.

Wow, that is quite a theory... But parts of it seem rather... silly.
I mean really silly... I know VGR made silly theories that Gregory Edgeworth either used some random birthing tube (read: woman) to give birth to his offspring or that Gregory actually gave birth to Miles himself, just so Miles would be known to have never touched female bits, not even to be born... but this theory seems on par with that silliness.



Ignoring that DL-6 should never have even required a Spirit Channeler - as I and the game have stated quite a few times that there was only one person who could've committed the crime - that seems like a silly reason to think of as proof for anything between Edgeworth Sr and Misty Fey.
They called in Misty Fey because she was the Master of Kurain, hence the strongest main family Fey, who could use the channeling method. And of course they'll get in the best channeler to get the best result.

As for "family resemblance" I noticed immediately that Misty Fey was Misty Fey. But I do not see any resemblance between Misty or Miles, not in eyes, facial features or similar. And if Gregory was in love with Misty and kept in contact with her - if we go along the line of him being also the father of Mia and Maya - that would end in the creation of Maya, why would Gregory raise his son partially in a fashion that he would not believe in channeling? Even what little we see of Little Miles during the game, he does not act or sound like a person who believes in this channeling magic.

C-A

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Your story is very cool, brother.

Wow, this is an ancient thread...

I doubt the GK2 gave any more 'evidence' for this though. [?]

By the way, is there a decent fanfic about this somewhere? I always liked this idea.

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