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okay, we all know you can play as Nick during 4-4. I was replaying the case when I noticed something strange. On Apollo's profile, it says "I call him Apollo." Is that a nickname?If so, what is his real one? Will this be a plot point later?
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His real name is...
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Maybe it IS some kind of nickname, I mean....

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Justice obviously isn't his last name since his mom was a gramery (i dont know how to spell it off the top of my head, so if its spelled wrong, forgive me) So where did he get the last name of Justice. And like you said, If Phoenix only calls him Apollo, does it mean he has a different first name?

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Seriously, I think it's a translation error.
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Will we ever find out who Apollo's father is? What happened to Apollo after their mom disappeared? Who raised him? Wouldn't he normally have stayed with Phoenix and Trucy
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Seriously, I think it's a translation error.

More likely it's just a victim of awkward phrasing. I don't think there's any hidden meaning behind it.
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Will we ever find out who Apollo's father is? What happened to Apollo after their mom disappeared? Who raised him? Wouldn't he normally have stayed with Phoenix and Trucy


That's what GS5 is (hopefully) for.
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I think he just said it a little... odd. Yeah, he calls him Apollo, but what else is he supposed to call him? Though I think he could've easily called him Justice, he refers to most of his buddies by their last name. So, I think he was just clearing that up for us.

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Well, Apollo didn't have a home, did he? We can pretty much safely assume he was placed in a foster home, and retained his foster parents' names, like Trucy. She used to be an Enigmar, but became a Wright when under Phoenix's care.


Make sense? So, I don't think Apollo has any other names.
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Trup75 wrote:
Maybe it IS some kind of nickname, I mean....

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Justice obviously isn't his last name since his mom was a gramery (i dont know how to spell it off the top of my head, so if its spelled wrong, forgive me) So where did he get the last name of Justice. And like you said, If Phoenix only calls him Apollo, does it mean he has a different first name?


Actually.

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Apollo was adopted when Thalassa/Lamiroir had to leave him. So he could've taken the last name of Justice from his foster father or whoever took care of him. And about the Apollo part, I have no clue.

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Apollo was adopted when Thalassa/Lamiroir had to leave him. So he could've taken the last name of Justice from his foster father or whoever took care of him. And about the Apollo part, I have no clue.



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Why did Thalassa keep him a secret from Zak in the first place? Zak knew she had previously been married, I dont think he would have minded had there been a kid. If Thalassa had told Zak, then Apollo could have just stayed with his step-dad, and then move on with Phoenix with Trucy. And if Apollo was adopted, then he wouldn't be Trucy's brother or Thalassa's legal kid anymore. I dont think it says anywhere that he was adopted (unless i missed it somewhere) and so if he wasn't adopted, then what happened to him? I always just thought he went straight to Kristoph...but i guess that wouldn't make sense since he had to have gone through school. And where was he while Thalassa was married to Zak? If Zak never knew about Apollo till Phoenix tells him, then Apollo obviously wasn't around


I hope you guys understood all that, I did but just because it made sense to me, doesn't mean it made sense to anyone else....
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Why did Thalassa keep him a secret from Zak in the first place? Zak knew she had previously been married, I dont think he would have minded had there been a kid. If Thalassa had told Zak, then Apollo could have just stayed with his step-dad, and then move on with Phoenix with Trucy. And if Apollo was adopted, then he wouldn't be Trucy's brother or Thalassa's legal kid anymore. I dont think it says anywhere that he was adopted (unless i missed it somewhere) and so if he wasn't adopted, then what happened to him? I always just thought he went straight to Kristoph...but i guess that wouldn't make sense since he had to have gone through school. And where was he while Thalassa was married to Zak? If Zak never knew about Apollo till Phoenix tells him, then Apollo obviously wasn't around


I hope you guys understood all that, I did but just because it made sense to me, doesn't mean it made sense to anyone else....


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She didn't keep him a secret. When Phoenix talks about Thalassa to Zak and breaks his psyche locks, the segment that undoes the last lock is proving that Thalassa had another child, and that child is Apollo. If Zak hadn't known about Apollo, then he wouldn't have anything to hide and thus wouldn't have had a psyche lock about it.


Acutally, I just noticed something VERY interesting concerning Apollo and his parents. Math time!

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According to her profile, Lamiroir is 40 years old. Apollo is 22 in the game, so if we do a little math we can come to the conclusion that Thalassa was only 18 when she had Apollo. While 18 years is still an acceptable age to have a child, it is still very young compared to most parents. When her husband died, she was probably unable to take care of Apollo anymore considering how busy she would be with her job as a magician and probably felt incapable of raising the boy sufficiently. She is 25 when she has Trucy and married to Zak, so by then she probably felt mature enough to handle a child. Seeing as how there is a 7 year gap between Apollo and Trucy, it's more than likely that her and Zak weren't romantically involved until Apollo was long gone.
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Seriously, I think it's a translation error.

More likely it's just a victim of awkward phrasing. I don't think there's any hidden meaning behind it.


I agree with this. For example, no one would bat an eyelid if it instead had been phrased "they call him Apollo" or "he's called Apollo."
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I think it's just quirky dialogue - it fits in with Phoenix's sarcastic sense of humor in AJ.

I also think it's worth mentioning that Zak is the kind of guy who beats people with wine bottles when they piss him off. And Magnifi was the kind of guy who would cover up his own daughter's "death" so he could use it to blackmail those already loyal to him. I don't blame Thalassa one bit for not wanting to expose her infant son to either of them or the rest of the Troupe.
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Why can't "Justice" be his last name? Maybe that was his father's last name.>_> And I think the answers to our questions will be answered in a later game. I keep thinking the Berry Circus is involved somehow. Regina, what did you do this time?O_O
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Only time will tell.O_O
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Trup75 wrote:
Maybe it IS some kind of nickname, I mean....

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Justice obviously isn't his last name since his mom was a gramery (i dont know how to spell it off the top of my head, so if its spelled wrong, forgive me) So where did he get the last name of Justice. And like you said, If Phoenix only calls him Apollo, does it mean he has a different first name?



Remember that Thalassa married a man who WASN'T a Grammarye. Its quite possible, no it's VERY likely that his surname was "Justice". Apollo would've taken his father's name, not his mothers (since his parents were married at the time of his birth).

Its the same way with Trucy. You'd think her name would've been Grammarye, but her father's real surname is Enigmar, thus Trucy Enigmar.

The only true blood Grammarye's are Magnifi, Thalassa, Apollo, and Trucy. Zak and Valant are outsiders.


The biggest question I have now, after FINALLY finishing the game for myself, a question larger then who is Polly's daddy, is why Thalassa didn't bring Apollo back with her. Did she already realize that the Grammarye's were going downhill, or was she just too young to handle him at the time?

I highly doubt that Thalassa just dumped him because she didn't want him, she DID give him a bracelet after all.
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I think that's one of the things that will probably be revealed in a later game.
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I thought that was weird when I played too.
I want to know if it's phrased so weirdly in the Japanese version...

Regardless, I'm convinced Apollo invented his own name.
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Huh, never thought of that.... :yogi:
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maybe he was adopted by a family with the last name justice
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