Where did we hear about Franziska's elder sibling?
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But as a responsible AA/GS fan, I want to be presented with clear, solid in-game evidence.* My challenge to you, dear reader, is to point me to the specific case and conversation in JFA where Franziska (or anyone for that matter) mentions, specifically and explicitly, the elder von Karma daughter.
I have scoured what few scripts are online, and having just finished playing through 1-4 again, I have little wish to subject myself to more note-taking so soon. I wish to be aided on this matter as soon as possible, before I regain the energy to do it myself.
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Q. Siblings?
A. I have an older sister with a family. She has a child and a dog named Ryu.
Q. Lover?
A. I don't need one. Do you have a problem with that?
That second one isn't related to your question but it's still funny :D
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Croik wrote:
Specifically, it's this page of the GS2 Book.
[url=http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs2_12.jpg[/url]
Q. Siblings?
A. I have an older sister with a family. She has a child and a dog named Ryu.
Q. Lover?
A. I don't need one. Do you have a problem with that?
That second one isn't related to your question but it's still funny :D
[url=http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs2_12.jpg[/url]
Q. Siblings?
A. I have an older sister with a family. She has a child and a dog named Ryu.
Q. Lover?
A. I don't need one. Do you have a problem with that?
That second one isn't related to your question but it's still funny :D
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Oh, Expanded Universe, you are my bane.
Fun Facts: By my calculations, Manfred von Karma would have been approximately 38 years of age, at the oldest, when this elder daughter was born. This places a solid 9 year gap between Franziska and her elder sister.
One has to wonder what kind of woman their mother was, to have put up with Manfred for at least 9 years (assuming, of course, there isn't some terribly dysfunctional background we're not seeing here).
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Croik wrote:
Specifically, it's this page of the GS2 Book.
[url=http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs2_12.jpg[/url]
Q. Siblings?
A. I have an older sister with a family. She has a child and a dog named Ryu.
Q. Lover?
A. I don't need one. Do you have a problem with that?
That second one isn't related to your question but it's still funny :D
[url=http://www.court-records.net/arts/gs2_12.jpg[/url]
Q. Siblings?
A. I have an older sister with a family. She has a child and a dog named Ryu.
Q. Lover?
A. I don't need one. Do you have a problem with that?
That second one isn't related to your question but it's still funny :D
Is there a place where we can view the translated version of these pages? I'd love to see what they all say.
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"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
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And now I definitely want to see that translated-to-English encyclopedia, to see what else I'm missing out on.
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Mr. Thunder wrote:
If I may quote Mr. von Karma....
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"
Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
So Von Karma had Franz at..
Um...
48-50?
By that time, most parents have teenagers, not new babies. Franz can easily be the granddaughter he was talking about.
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MikeMeekins wrote:
Mr. Thunder wrote:
If I may quote Mr. von Karma....
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"
Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
So Von Karma had Franz at..
Um...
48-50?
By that time, most parents have teenagers, not new babies. Franz can easily be the granddaughter he was talking about.
....but Franzy isn't his granddaughter.
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I don't know if you guys have noticed, but we're discussing Manfred von Karma. Doing it.
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and I get visualizations of MANFRED IN BED
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Mr. Thunder wrote:
If I may quote Mr. von Karma....
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"
Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
That does bring up an interesting point. Lets think about this logically shall we? At the time on case 1-4, Franziska was 16-17 (early birthday could make her 17). Now Phoenix is a generally hard word to say for a 2-4 year old. Assuming the child was 5, Franziska would have to be 11-12 to have the granddaughter in question. It is possible for a women to have a child at 12 (but utterly wrong IMO).
However we have to bring up another point. Franziska hates men. Now she may have roots of an older man...well lets just say the older man is the reason Franziska would have a baby in an unpleasant way. That could be the root of her hatred towards men. Pure speculation but a chance.
Seeing all this, it's more than likely, and actually is almost definitely true that Franziska had an older sister. Zvarri!
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Mr. Thunder wrote:
If I may quote Mr. von Karma....
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"
Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
"My granddaughter has a dog she calls Phoenix. Does that mean you're her fiancee?"Since Franziska is too young to have been married with children by then...
And that hits the nail on the head.
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Manfred von Karma only explicitly states that he has a granddaughter. This gives no indication as to the identity of Manfred's own child. In fact, this is the very line you quoted just now. Care to explain this contradiction?
In any case, I think at this point in time it's safe to say that most people have had the idea of Franziska being the younger of two sisters ingrained in their heads. Mind you, aside from the art book cited earlier in this thread, there is no identifying factor for this mysterious elder sibling. What if Franziska had an elder biological brother, instead? Can we see any possible changes or explanations for other parts of her character stemming from her possible sibling relationships?
How would this elder sibling affect her perception of men, perhaps?
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
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Manfred von Karma only explicitly states that he has a granddaughter. This gives no indication as to the identity of Manfred's own child. In fact, this is the very line you quoted just now. Care to explain this contradiction?
In any case, I think at this point in time it's safe to say that most people have had the idea of Franziska being the younger of two sisters ingrained in their heads. Mind you, aside from the art book cited earlier in this thread, there is no identifying factor for this mysterious elder sibling. What if Franziska had an elder biological brother, instead? Can we see any possible changes or explanations for other parts of her character stemming from her possible sibling relationships?
How would this elder sibling affect her perception of men, perhaps?
Manfred von Karma only explicitly states that he has a granddaughter. This gives no indication as to the identity of Manfred's own child. In fact, this is the very line you quoted just now. Care to explain this contradiction?
In any case, I think at this point in time it's safe to say that most people have had the idea of Franziska being the younger of two sisters ingrained in their heads. Mind you, aside from the art book cited earlier in this thread, there is no identifying factor for this mysterious elder sibling. What if Franziska had an elder biological brother, instead? Can we see any possible changes or explanations for other parts of her character stemming from her possible sibling relationships?
How would this elder sibling affect her perception of men, perhaps?
That is another good point. It could have been a guy too.
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The game only implies that von Karma had another kid. So, I guess if the artbook isn't canon, Fran could have a brother (or a child 0_0) in the games...
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ew... unlikely with someone with her personality. She seems way too interested in law to let something weird like that happen... unless i am wrong
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Let's imagine someone doing this to Franzy.
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Back on topic: In my headcanon, Franziska's sister and niece are the same age difference to her as Mia and Pearl are to Maya (JFA: 28, 18, 8).
I often wonder if Franziska's niece will somehow make an appearance in the next GS game. Probably not as a prosecutor (too cliche), but relating to a case in some form or fashion.
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So, whatever:
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So, he could have a son too, but the fanbook says he has two daughters.
And, no, Franzi isn´t his granddaughter. If that´s the case, JFA would take place 11 years after AA:PW!
And that´s not the case. Look at the age of Maya, for example.
And the granddaughter can´t be Franzi´s daughter! Or do you think she got pregnant with 10?
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Amusing how these things work out, isn't it?
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This table shows the von Karma family's ages up to the events of 1-4. Minimum ages for the mother and elder sibling are based on the ages given for their respective children, assuming a modicum of sensibility when it comes to Manfred von Karma's spawning habits.
Code:
Manfred 65 58 48 40
Mother ?? ?? 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Mother ?? ?? 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
These calculations assume that they have the same mother. Their mother would have been anywhere from 18 to 32 years old when she gave birth to the elder sibling, assuming an upper limit of 40 for Franziska's birth.
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Manfred says he has 'a granddaughter.' And Edgey is technically his son.
So....
Miles could have a daughter running around out there that we don't know about? :O
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Par Exemple, how old would Edgey be, along with the res of the family?
Code:
Manfred 65 58 48 40
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Now, let's add Edgey...
Code:
Manfred 65 58 48 40
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Edgey 24 17 7
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Edgey 24 17 7
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
So, if Edgey was 17 when the Grandkid was born...
HOLY JEHOSEPHAT!
THERE COULD BE 2 VON KARMA GRANDKIDS RUNNING AROUND!
Now, this is where I must contradict myself.
If Edgey had a kid, he'd need someone to have it with.
Where is this supposed wife?
The mother could be Keygirl! Do I have any evidence to contradict that?
Do I have any evidence to support that?
Drat, I beat me again...
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Prosecutor Manella wrote:
You do realise that what you jsut said could change some things?
Par Exemple, how old would Edgey be, along with the res of the family?
Now, let's add Edgey...
So, if Edgey was 17 when the Grandkid was born...
HOLY JEHOSEPHAT!
THERE COULD BE 2 VON KARMA GRANDKIDS RUNNING AROUND!
Now, this is where I must contradict myself.
If Edgey had a kid, he'd need someone to have it with.
Where is this supposed wife?
The mother could be Keygirl! Do I have any evidence to contradict that?
Do I have any evidence to support that?
Drat, I beat me again...
Par Exemple, how old would Edgey be, along with the res of the family?
Code:
Manfred 65 58 48 40
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Now, let's add Edgey...
Code:
Manfred 65 58 48 40
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Edgey 24 17 7
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
Mother 43 36 26 18
Sibling 25 18 8 0
Edgey 24 17 7
Fran 17 10 0
Grandkid 7 0
So, if Edgey was 17 when the Grandkid was born...
HOLY JEHOSEPHAT!
THERE COULD BE 2 VON KARMA GRANDKIDS RUNNING AROUND!
Now, this is where I must contradict myself.
If Edgey had a kid, he'd need someone to have it with.
Where is this supposed wife?
The mother could be Keygirl! Do I have any evidence to contradict that?
Do I have any evidence to support that?
Drat, I beat me again...
LOL!
OMG! I didn't think anyone would ever take me seriously.
As for the thing about the wife, sadly, you don't have to be married to have a kid...
Wow, I just opened up a topic I did NOT want to open up...XD
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